***Official Browns @ Colts Game Day Thread***
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Was not sure where to put this, but this is the most ridiculous game crushing penalty I have ever heard of anywhere. Von Miller gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for taking away his offered hand to good friend Tyrod Taylor after he sacks him at a crucial point in the game. They had been messing with one another in a friendly manner throughout the game, but the ref throws the flag on Miller for not helping him up when it appears he was going to. That is ridiculous even if Miller blames himself for the loss because it was called. Even Taylor thought it was funny and more so that it got called.
He is to blame. It is tantamount to taunting. They have relaxed the "celebration" rules greatly this year, but if the refs perceive that you taunt a player on the other team, that will still get you flagged. In my opinion, this was justified in this instance.
He is to blame. It is tantamount to taunting. They have relaxed the "celebration" rules greatly this year, but if the refs perceive that you taunt a player on the other team, that will still get you flagged. In my opinion, this was justified in this instance.
Yeah and he owns up to it. But still if you are the ref and you've been listening to the banter and laughter between them all game and you hear the QB laughing at the hand withdrawal, you just might give a little leeway rather than "by the book".
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PFF"s taken on our game vs. Indy... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-indianapolis-colts-31-cleveland-browns-28
The Colts would double up the Browns on the scoreboard in the first half. QB Jacoby Brissett had a pair of rushing touchdowns and a touchdown pass to WR T.Y. Hilton, and later RB Frank Gore would add a fourth touchdown. The Browns would respond late in the half with a QB DeShone Kizer touchdown pass to TE David Njoku, but the Browns would go into half time down 28-14.
The Browns would be game for the second half however, as Kizer would throw a touchdown to WR Kenny Britt and would also run for a score. However they would fall short 31-28. With that, we give you our PFF exclusive takeaways from the contest for each team.
Top 5 Grades:
QB Jacoby Brissett, 86.2 overall grade
T Anthony Castonzo, 84.5 overall grade
EDGE Jabaal Sheard, 81.2 overall grade
CB Nate Hairston, 79.4 overall grade
DI Johnathan Hankins, 79.3 overall grade
Performances of Note:
QB Jacoby Brissett, 86.2 overall grade
A career game for the second-year signal caller out of North Carolina State, Brissett finished the contest with grades north of 83 in both passing and rushing. Brissett had quite a bit of success moving the ball when he was provided a clean pocket, completing 15 of 19 passes for 248 yards and a touchdown, giving him a 136.3 passer rating on throws coming without pressure. He also had success when he pushed the ball downfield, completing 7 of 9 passes that traveled at least 10 yards down the field for a total of 203 yards and a touchdown.
WR T.Y. Hilton, 78.3 overall grade
Hilton wreaked havoc among the Browns secondary, hauling in 7 of 9 passes for a total of 153 yards and a touchdown, Brissett had a 155.8 passer rating when targeting his star receiver. He was especially effective when matched up opposite Jamar Taylor, where he caught 4 of 5 targets for 125 yards and a touchdown, with the one incompletion being a drop. Hilton averaged 5.28 yards per route run against Cleveland after he averaged just 1.61 yards per route run in the first two weeks.
CB Rashaan Melvin, 73.8 overall grade
You’d think with a stat line of thrown at nine times, with just three receptions allowed to go against two interceptions and two pass break ups, Melvin would have a career grade. Well this is the case in point for how stats can be misleading. On both his picks he was the beneficiary of being beaten in coverage but having errant throws land in his arms, while the Browns struggles holding onto the ball helped as well. But it was a good performance from Melvin, who has quietly started the season very nicely, doing nothing to suggest he shouldn’t be starting.
EDGE Jabaal Sheard, 81.2 overall grade
Sheard returned to the team that drafted him and played like he had a point to prove. Chiefly working on T Shon Coleman, he had his best day as a Colt with four pressures and a number of wins that resulted in near pressures. It’s taken time but he’s starting to show the ceiling he has, though he’ll need to do it against better tackles than Coleman to make fans believers in Indy.
Top 5 Grades:
T Joe Thomas, 87.6 overall grade
DI Jamie Meder, 84.8 overall grade
LB Christian Kirksey, 84.3 overall grade
DT Danny Shelton, 84.1 overall grade
CB Jason McCourty, 83.4 overall grade
Performances of Note:
QB DeShone Kizer, 69.7 overall grade
If you’re looking for a quarterback to take you to the playoffs this year, Kizer is not your guy. But that’s not what the Browns are focused on, and instead what they’ll be looking at is can he be a franchise quarterback in the long term. There was more good than bad (even with his receivers dropping three passes and doing a bad job of holding onto three more with defensive contact), including three big time throws that show he can really punish a defense over the top. But when it comes to 2017 there are too many errant throws and a tendency to hold the ball that bit too long.
T Joe Thomas, 87.6 overall grade
It was another quiet day for Joe Thomas, as he went about his job with the kind of near flawless performance we’ve come to expect. He built on his snap streak, didn’t surrender a single pressure and just for good measure was the highest graded Browns run blocker and their highest-graded player. Would you expect anything else?
LB Christian Kirksey, 84.3 overall grade
A redemption game for Kirksey, as he followed up the putrid 24.1 overall game he earned last week against Baltimore with his best game of the season in Week 3. The linebacker from Iowa tallied six total stops on the day – more than doubling his season total, he had five in the first two weeks – and played well in both run defense and coverage.
DT Danny Shelton, 84.1 overall grade
Shelton ate up the middle of the field on Sunday, earning an 88.7 run-defense grade from his spot in the defensive interior. Shelton tallied five run stops on 19 run defense snaps; he had just one run stop on 32 run defense snaps in the first two weeks. Shelton had the second-most run stops among all defensive tackles last season, look for more weeks like this one moving forward.
PFF Game Ball: Jacoby Brissett, QB
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Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
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Glad Shelton's playing well. Now, when do we get Garrett back?
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A lot of those punts were moon shots that had no reasonable chance of a return. I counted ONE that Peppers could have not fair caught.
Well, after returning 3 punts against the Stoolers (with a respectable 11yard avg) he returned zero against the Rats and zero against the Dolts.
Whats the over/under against the Bungholes?
Well, after returning 3 punts against the Stoolers (with a respectable 11yard avg) he returned zero against the Rats and zero against the Dolts.
Whats the over/under against the Bungholes?
I imagine that depends on how they punt
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Tell that to the OSU troll that keeps bringing it up...
You are the one that was doing the trolling from what I can read. His posts were only in response to like 3 "poor, poor, pitiful me" posts about Peppers.
And, you know, we still hold YOU personally responsible for his play, you know.
You are the one that was doing the trolling from what I can read. His posts were only in response to like 3 "poor, poor, pitiful me" posts about Peppers.
And, you know, we still hold YOU personally responsible for his play, you know.
Just don't make me personally responsible for your reading comprehension lessons
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You missed some very blatant college based comments around Peppers in a thread where you called me out for there not being any. I think it's safe to say you're glossing over more. Purposely or not.
No one has joined to just hype Peppers. It's no where near Johnny levels. Everything I've said about Peppers has been accurate. I've said repeatedly in this thread he had a bad game. I'm just calling out those saying he's more or less the worst player ever, which is being greatly influenced by his college, whether others on here realize that or not. It's pretty obvious, but if you're used to being around that bias, you might not notice it.
FWIW-I don't like how they are using Peppers in this new deep centerfield position. Not his fault they are not playing to his hybrid talent. Maybe once Collins and Garrett are playing to full potential it will work better with faster pressure on the QB, but right now it isn't working.
FWIW-I don't like how they are using Peppers in this new deep centerfield position. Not his fault they are not playing to his hybrid talent. Maybe once Collins and Garrett are playing to full potential it will work better with faster pressure on the QB, but right now it isn't working.
I don't think that's his best position either, but as Williams said, he's the best at it on our current roster.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
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You are the one that was doing the trolling from what I can read. His posts were only in response to like 3 "poor, poor, pitiful me" posts about Peppers.
And, you know, we still hold YOU personally responsible for his play, you know.
Just don't make me personally responsible for your reading comprehension lessons
Just don't make me personally responsible for your reading comprehension lessons
With your Michigan education, I would not expect you to be responsible for your own reading comprehension (nor would I expect you to know or understand why people would be kicking you when you have a "Kick me" sign on your back). In fact, I would not expect you to be able to comprehend much. (though, perhaps I will grant you this: you probably know math better than most....but then...when have you ever seen a mathematician with a sense of humor)?
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FWIW-I don't like how they are using Peppers in this new deep centerfield position. Not his fault they are not playing to his hybrid talent. Maybe once Collins and Garrett are playing to full potential it will work better with faster pressure on the QB, but right now it isn't working.
I don't think that's his best position either, but as Williams said, he's the best at it on our current roster.
I don't think that's his best position either, but as Williams said, he's the best at it on our current roster.
Ahh....so....where in hell is he supposed to play? Left out?
Lets be real. He is not a cornerback, not with his minimal coverage skills. Should he be a Strong Safety rather than a Free Safety? While on rare occasion he can line up for LB...he is NOT built for that. I mean. Where is he best at? Irish Rover?
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
No, it’s because he was born on the 3rd full moon following Passover.
Everybody knows he’s cursed.
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
You are just falsely perceiving it as "hate because he played for Michigan". That's horseshit. Look at the shit this board has piled on to Kizer....was that because he went to Notre Dame?
Look at the shit this board has given to Garrett, is this because he went to Texas A&M? Look at the shit that we give to every other Browns player that is perceived to fuck up. They are given shit because they fuck up...not because they went to Bohunk College or Bottom of the Grand Canyon University...or Michigan or Ohio State. You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
You are just falsely perceiving it as "hate because he played for Michigan". That's horseshit. Look at the shit this board has piled on to Kizer....was that because he went to Notre Dame?
Look at the shit this board has given to Garrett, is this because he went to Texas A&M? Look at the shit that we give to every other Browns player that is perceived to fuck up. They are given shit because they fuck up...not because they went to Bohunk College or Bottom of the Grand Canyon University...or Michigan or Ohio State. You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
You are just falsely perceiving it as "hate because he played for Michigan". That's horseshit. Look at the shit this board has piled on to Kizer....was that because he went to Notre Dame?
Look at the shit this board has given to Garrett, is this because he went to Texas A&M? Look at the shit that we give to every other Browns player that is perceived to fuck up. They are given shit because they fuck up...not because they went to Bohunk College or Bottom of the Grand Canyon University...or Michigan or Ohio State. You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
Slowbiskie.
Great as a Buckeye...but sucked as a Cleveland Brown.
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
You are just falsely perceiving it as "hate because he played for Michigan". That's horseshit. Look at the shit this board has piled on to Kizer....was that because he went to Notre Dame?
Look at the shit this board has given to Garrett, is this because he went to Texas A&M? Look at the shit that we give to every other Browns player that is perceived to fuck up. They are given shit because they fuck up...not because they went to Bohunk College or Bottom of the Grand Canyon University...or Michigan or Ohio State. You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
We just cut a couple OSU players and I didnt hear a peep....both Hartline and Whitner were OSU stars that were just here recently.....
We also signed and cut an OSU DB this past year....cant remember his name though.....
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The bigger problem is that last year Crow was averaging nearly 5 YPC and this year he's averaging 2.9. He's not a game-changing RB, he has questionable vision and he's having a hard time finding the holes. Sometimes he goes off, but as of right now he is a below average back.
I've beat the vision drum for a year+ at this point, but have to remind folks that his gaudy 2016 average was pumped up by more than a few long runs in draw situations when we were behind in games and behind the sticks.
My issue so far isn't Peppers alignment but two glarring plays he did exactly what stat treads said - missed tackles. Bad.
Tackling was a questions to be sure, but I did not think bad angles were part of the mix... and Sunday they were. Maybe the difference is they space in which he is now playing, but on that point...
Am I crazy or did Gregg abandon how he asked our 2ndary to play this week? Where was the press coverage of the WRs? Seemed like 5 to 10 yd cushions were the order of the day... all day.
Tackling was a questions to be sure, but I did not think bad angles were part of the mix... and Sunday they were. Maybe the difference is they space in which he is now playing, but on that point...
Good tackling and proper angles go hand in hand.
JT Barrett isn't a shifty man and he hit Peppers with a move 2 years ago that made him look silly. Needless to say I watched closely during a lot of other UM games following said time. Pursuit angles aren't as much of an issue when you're as close to the line with a singular assignment like Jabrill was for the better part of two years.
Now, does he have the athletic ability and drive to clean this up? Sure. Does he have the in game kinetic awareness, depth perception and field vision? Remains to be seen. However the explosive punt returning has been MIA since the draft.
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Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
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You know why we never give shit to Ohio State players? Because we don't have any. But when we did we gave them shit too. What was the nickname for Robiskie....which is like the last OSU player on this team? Can't remember it has been so long...but it wasn't flattering.
We just cut a couple OSU players and I didnt hear a peep....both Hartline and Whitner were OSU stars that were just here recently.....
We also signed and cut an OSU DB this past year....cant remember his name though.....
We just cut a couple OSU players and I didnt hear a peep....both Hartline and Whitner were OSU stars that were just here recently.....
We also signed and cut an OSU DB this past year....cant remember his name though.....
OK, but we didn't draft them. Would that have made a difference?
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Bottom line....they let T.Y. Hilton run wild in the first half. Let's see Jamar Taylor and Peppers scores....because they were scorched.
I have asked a few times what adjustments the Browns made in the second half to have they do so much better........One of them may have been to take Taylor off and put McCourty on Hilton.
I don't really know...just speculating...but it is plausible.
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
From my viewpoint, the coverage was a lot tighter on Hilton in the second half. They should have done it a lot earlier....
Is that all there was to it? Just play tighter on him? Were they giving him like 5-7 yards of space off the line of scrimmage?
To quote Sherlock Holmes: Can it be just that absurdly simple?
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Tackling was a questions to be sure, but I did not think bad angles were part of the mix... and Sunday they were. Maybe the difference is they space in which he is now playing, but on that point...
Good tackling and proper angles go hand in hand.
JT Barrett isn't a shifty man and he hit Peppers with a move 2 years ago that made him look silly. Needless to say I watched closely during a lot of other UM games following said time. Pursuit angles aren't as much of an issue when you're as close to the line with a singular assignment like Jabrill was for the better part of two years.
Now, does he have the athletic ability and drive to clean this up? Sure. Does he have the in game kinetic awareness, depth perception and field vision? Remains to be seen. However the explosive punt returning has been MIA since the draft.
... angles aren't as much of an issue when you're as close to the line with a singular assignment like Jabrill was for the better part of two years.
Exactly what I was getting at with my "space" comment.
On Peppers' tackling... I remember his highlight package including a number of considerably less than "form tackles". In fact I am hard pressed to remember a form tackle let alone a "big hit". I can remember a couple times when he bypassed opportunities to thump.
While the former can be dismissed by the fact he got them on the ground, it might have been a harbinger of the "space problem" we saw Sunday. The latter? Does Peppers have a taste for contact?
Woody? My bad memory? I know it's not my Big Blue bias...
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im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
im not really sure where the hate is coming from on peppers he's made a couple rookie mistakes but has otherwise been okay. its because he played for michigan right?
Pretty much. Yeah
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