If you hate the Cleveland Browns rebuild, ignore this: Podcast
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If you hate the Cleveland Browns rebuild, ignore this: Podcast
Posted on October 6, 2017 at 9:30 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Hate the Browns plan? Despise losing now in the name of getting better later?
Then this podcast will make you want to destroy your audio device.
On this Takes By The Lake, Jordan Zirm of ESPN Cleveland (among other media outlets) joins me to praise and analyze the Browns teardown and the Sashi Brown process without any outside interference.
If you hate the plan, maybe we can change your mind or at least make a few points to make you think about it a different way. Or, you may just want to punch me.
If you do like the plan, or are at least willing to tolerate it, then this is the podcast for you.
Article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/if_you_hate_the_cleveland_brow.html
Podcast link appears at bottom of article.
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I don't and I didn't...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Thanks for the thread Tour. I needed this.
I blew my cork last Sunday watching uninspired play, and am upset with myself that I did so. I have never been a "negative Fan" yet I WAS for a bit this week. While having that setback when angry, I STILL think we are heading in the right direction & I am re-committing to showing patience & support for the plan in place.
Mike
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Thanks for the thread Tour. I needed this.
I blew my cork last Sunday watching uninspired play, and am upset with myself that I did so. I have never been a "negative Fan" yet I WAS for a bit this week. While having that setback when angry, I STILL think we are heading in the right direction & I am re-committing to showing patience & support for the plan in place.
Mike
Thanks for the thread Tour. I needed this.
I blew my cork last Sunday watching uninspired play, and am upset with myself that I did so. I have never been a "negative Fan" yet I WAS for a bit this week. While having that setback when angry, I STILL think we are heading in the right direction & I am re-committing to showing patience & support for the plan in place.
Mike
Welcome back Mike.
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Thanks for the thread Tour. I needed this.
I blew my cork last Sunday watching uninspired play, and am upset with myself that I did so. I have never been a "negative Fan" yet I WAS for a bit this week. While having that setback when angry, I STILL think we are heading in the right direction & I am re-committing to showing patience & support for the plan in place.
Mike
Welcome back Mike.
Welcome back Mike.
Thanks Bill...You know I was never really gone. Browns' Fan forever!!!
Mike
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Welcome back Mike.
Thanks Bill...You know I was never really gone. Browns' Fan forever!!!
Mike
Thanks Bill...You know I was never really gone. Browns' Fan forever!!!
Mike
LOL! Just temporary insanity.
Or maybe temporary sanity. Not sure which same days.
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And so I listened to those two guys talk to each other. And they certainly made sense when they said that we're playing Peppers way the hell back in no man's land when his talents have always been geared to playing close to the LOS (not in those words of course).
Yes, Sashi and the Harvard Think Tank have a plan. That's nice and all. But are they the right people to be actually DRAFTING FOOTBALL PLAYERS? AND NOT DRAFTING OTHER PLAYERS? Are they the right talent evaluators? They brought Britt in here who obviously doesn't want to be on such a crappy team. He's here to collect the big paychecks they offered him.
Time will tell....but the clock IS ticking on these guys.
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And so I listened to those two guys talk to each other. And they certainly made sense when they said that we're playing Peppers way the hell back in no man's land when his talents have always been geared to playing close to the LOS (not in those words of course).
Yes, Sashi and the Harvard Think Tank have a plan. That's nice and all. But are they the right people to be actually DRAFTING FOOTBALL PLAYERS? AND NOT DRAFTING OTHER PLAYERS? Are they the right talent evaluators? They brought Britt in here who obviously doesn't want to be on such a crappy team. He's here to collect the big paychecks they offered him.
Time will tell....but the clock IS ticking on these guys.
And so I listened to those two guys talk to each other. And they certainly made sense when they said that we're playing Peppers way the hell back in no man's land when his talents have always been geared to playing close to the LOS (not in those words of course).
Yes, Sashi and the Harvard Think Tank have a plan. That's nice and all. But are they the right people to be actually DRAFTING FOOTBALL PLAYERS? AND NOT DRAFTING OTHER PLAYERS? Are they the right talent evaluators? They brought Britt in here who obviously doesn't want to be on such a crappy team. He's here to collect the big paychecks they offered him.
Time will tell....but the clock IS ticking on these guys.
we should at least give the plan a few more years before we start to question their judgement. If we don't win more than five games in a season five years from now, then Jimmy might have to scold Sashi, or kindly ask Greg Williams to not play Peppers as a centerfielder.
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The problem with the fans and this plan is because they stripped the entire roster bare people seem to be expecting them to hit on EVERY draft pick. Or it’s a failure
No front office gets it right every time and nor will this one. I’ve always thought their idea of plan was the right one, I still do, but that doesn’t mean all the picks are going to work. They clearly won’t
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Absolutely. Never before in modern NFL history as a team torn down like the Browns. The best part is Sashi giving Berry Kizer in the last draft so he can tank for the top QB in 2018. Sashi is a cold stoned butt in that one. The main problem with that is if the team rebels from Kizer being QB and asks for Hogan to win games..........sooner than later.
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Well that has to be the attitude as opposed to saying we focked up and we really don't know our asses from holes in the ground. And I'm sure these people know a million times more than I do, or we do, about professional football. If and when it works out I'll be happy as a pig shitt to eat my words.
Still if I'd been the general manager of the Cleveland Browns for the last decade or so I don't suppose we'd have been much worse . Just saying.
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I'm going to post this gumby73 thought from another thread because it DOES make sense.
The cupboards did not need to get stripped bare..We needed a QB..Once the plan of re-boot took place. We cut 4 Veterans.Tail-Telling soon after Benji, Mack & Schwartz "am booting out of here myself". Thinner than even the Harvards thought. Some bad decisions such as Gabriel with a few good moves also. Than leading to 2 drafts. #1.Taking 2nd hand draft picks while adding Draft Quantity to refill cupboards. That's really why Cory is here. #2.Moved down once gaining another 1st(Watson) while moving up more often than down to add....well whats 4 games tell ya..We need better Talented picks, not less value with more picks.
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I think he’s wrong on that. We did need to strip them bare. Well, maybe not needed to. But it was certainly the best plan. Makes for more long term success.
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Can somebody name one team that has stripped down(like the Browns have) then gone on to win a championship OR have "sustained" success....????......I already know the answer, which is no.....but I could name a 100 teams that have improved w/o stripping down.....one team please(and it should be a LOT more than one, if it's the "right" way to do it)
Please....someone....show me the precedent that says stripping down is the way to go.....
Gumby once posted the stat for 1-15 teams and what they did the next year.....the very worst of them all won 4 and most won more than that.....so, will we now be the worst 1-15 team ever?....yes......and this is some type of proof that stripping down is better?(please)
I would like to build up my savings account....perhaps emptying the account is the best way to start...???
and when all this "youth" comes of age at exactly the same moment, how will we afford to retain them?.....just curious....
We are building an unbalanced team....with very suspect players....and will continue to set records for ineptitude in drafting. FA acquisition, talent evaluation, game planning and coaching.....<<<<<<<and I dont think anyone can show me where this statement is wrong either......
Last year we were gonna "gel" and cream our jeans as we watched this team grow,,,,,,then it was gonna be this year.....but, wait, now it's next year?....is the 3rd year when we stop looking inept?.....then how many years till the playoffs?.....and is someone gonna tell me 5 year rebuilds are the way to go?......oh man.....
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we have taken the losing culture to new levels.....unprecedented levels for this org and the NFL.....these kids are gonna bail, lose interest, stop buying into Hues promises of success......and the good ones will move on, if we dont win very soon.....
Who wants to work for a company that is the worst in the industry?
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I think he’s wrong on that. We did need to strip them bare. Well, maybe not needed to. But it was certainly the best plan. Makes for more long term success.
I think he’s wrong on that. We did need to strip them bare. Well, maybe not needed to. But it was certainly the best plan. Makes for more long term success.
Under the proviso that we actually pick really well and far better than the normal "fail" rate.
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I think he’s wrong on that. We did need to strip them bare. Well, maybe not needed to. But it was certainly the best plan. Makes for more long term success.
Under the proviso that we actually pick really well and far better than the normal "fail" rate.
Under the proviso that we actually pick really well and far better than the normal "fail" rate.
and our FO has clearly stated that they cannot do that......which is why they need triple the picks everyone else needs.....
lets be clear......23 picks in 2 years(plus 15 FA's).....that is 37 hand picked players.....and a lot more than most teams get in 3 years.....so, technically, we should consider this equal to 3 drafts.....yet we see zero improvement in the win column......
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Under the proviso that we actually pick really well and far better than the normal "fail" rate.
and our FO has clearly stated that they cannot do that......which is why they need triple the picks everyone else needs.....
lets be clear......23 picks in 2 years(plus 15 FA's).....that is 37 hand picked players.....and a lot more than most teams get in 3 years.....so, technically, we should consider this equal to 3 drafts.....yet we see zero improvement in the win column......
and our FO has clearly stated that they cannot do that......which is why they need triple the picks everyone else needs.....
lets be clear......23 picks in 2 years(plus 15 FA's).....that is 37 hand picked players.....and a lot more than most teams get in 3 years.....so, technically, we should consider this equal to 3 drafts.....yet we see zero improvement in the win column......
Which still boggles my mind , as to why we hired harvard boys instead of real football people to procure talent..
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They are so bad that they are showing madden highlights on their facebook page, promoting this weeks game......
You cannot make this schit up.....seriously....
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