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  • @browns149 said:

    I’d take new fresh trash then this BS we have now

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    @wargograw said:

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

  • @browns149 said:

    I’d take new fresh trash then this BS we have now

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    @wargograw said:

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    We suck because Jimmy hasn’t hired any people that have a clue what they are doing 

     All the people here now are useless

  • Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

  • Maybe the Browns could be the first American team to join the CFL?

  • Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

    @dawgs89 said:

    Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

    No one could be any worse

  • I was all for starting Hogan, but now I'm thinking just give the ball back to Kizer, let him make his mistakes, and either learn from them, or start looking at drafting a QB next season.

  • Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

    and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

  • @wargograw said:

    Aaaand that’s why we suck

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

    @d-bone said:

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

    At least you’re starting to recognize it now

  • Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

    and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

    @browns149 said:

    Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

    and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

  • Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

    @dawgs89 said:

    Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

    Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

  • @d-bone said:

    Yep, that's why..... It has nothing to do with the players, coaches and FO..... It's all because of the fans..... Yep, that's why we suck. 

    At least you’re starting to recognize it now

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    At least you’re starting to recognize it now

    Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit...... Keep on trusting the process. 

  • They need someone that can evaluate talent.  

    Is regime though Wentz wasnt a top 20 Qb 

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    At least you’re starting to recognize it now

    Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit...... Keep on trusting the process. 

    @d-bone said:

    Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit. 

    Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

  • @dawgs89 said:

    Who is out there that would be an upgrade as coach & GM? No " Anyone but these guys". Legit question.

    Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

    @richiswhere said:

    Come on man your about to be 1 and 21 you have to keep trying 

    Exactly

  • @d-bone said:

    Yep, it figures you'd believe that..... Not surprised one bit. 

    Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

    @nickers said:

    Millenials historically never take responsibility for anything.. You oughta know that by now...

    And old fat people have a hard time getting erections, what’s your point?

  • @browns149 said:

    Hire a President of football ops and let him hire the gm and coach

    and make sure the President is a FOOTBALL guy

    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

    I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

    I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

    @harry-buffalo said:

    I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

    If theses people are here for another 2 years, I will not be a fan anymore.

    I don’t care about the Jimmy firing machine. This experiment HAS  NOT WORKED AT ALL. Keeping these guys around after this year is useless and pointless. They will not get any better with non football people picking the players.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I've said this before and I'll continue to say it.   Do NOT hire anyone arrogant and absorbed in their own dogma.   This includes people who are "FOOTBALL GUYS!@!#@#@#"  because then they draft "FOOTBALL GUYS@#@@#@#".     You know who tried that approach?  McDaniels.  That's how you get Tebow.

    Sashi needs his role reduced.    You need someone who's willing to assign grades to players, but also understanding how you arrived at those grades.  Example - Corey Coleman played in the B12 against shitty DB's and was routinely the beneficiary of great 1on1 scheming by Art Briles.  

    I will give him the benifit of the doubt considering he has been injured and he came into the league without any real injury history. But seriously, as much as this FO has sucked (I like alot of the picks, but completely dismantling the roster by itself if firing worthy) and as much as the coaching has sucked, we need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

    @harry-buffalo said:

    [W]e need to just let them ride it out for at least 1-2 more years. If we EVER was to attact an actual GM or coaching talent to this team, they need to know they won't be fired right off the bat, which we currently can't do, because the owner has a history of firing people right off the bat. 

    One more. That sends the message that you'll get a fair chance (three drafts, three seasons) to show how your process is working but if you can't show real progress in that time (better than 0 to 3 wins per season) you're done. I just can't see the owner waiting two more.

  • Ah, yes. Blow it up again. Blow it up every year. Shmuck it. They got enough time....

    This was the first REAL rebuild we've done in a while. We started from scratch. It was going to take a while. That should have been obvious.

  • I miss the good old days of 3-4 wins a year.