Start Kevin Hogan!
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Does Peyton Manning suck? He threw 4 INTs in a game...?? I'll wait for your prompt response.
Peyton Manning has won 2 super bowls and holds nearly every passing record in the NFL. Please tell me you're not seriously comparing Kevin fucking Hogan to Peyton Manning??
You're not that gay for this guy are you?
Peyton Manning has won 2 super bowls and holds nearly every passing record in the NFL. Please tell me you're not seriously comparing Kevin Shmucking Hogan to Peyton Manning??
You're not that gay for this guy are you?
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Yeah but i bet he threw for a Sheet ton of yds in said game. And while he never gad the greatest cannon he offset it with accuracy and ability to essentially be his own OC. We get none of that with hogan. Kizer aint much better, i grant u....but hogan isnt starting for us next year. So i want kizer to either improve or show us we need to draft his replacement.
Im not in the mood for the browns to eke out a win or two with hogan so our offseason priorities are muddled
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
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Peyton Manning has won 2 super bowls and holds nearly every passing record in the NFL. Please tell me you're not seriously comparing Kevin Shmucking Hogan to Peyton Manning??
You're not that gay for this guy are you?
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Yeah but i bet he threw for a Sheet ton of yds in said game. And while he never gad the greatest cannon he offset it with accuracy and ability to essentially be his own OC. We get none of that with hogan. Kizer aint much better, i grant u....but hogan isnt starting for us next year. So i want kizer to either improve or show us we need to draft his replacement.
Im not in the mood for the browns to eke out a win or two with hogan so our offseason priorities are muddled
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
Only way though for that to happen is for him to actually you know...play. I don't think its gonna happen and I think we're going to spend the entire offseason arguing about Rosen or Mayfield or some other QB that we don't even know about yet but we all (except for someone) know exactly what Cody Hogan is and we all know what Kevin Kessler is as well. Kizer has the highest potential of the group. But it's just that...potential and it isn't looking good that he will ever actually reach that potential.
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Kizer should not start another game. He always plays the pitty me card, that is embarrassing. I hate listening to him suck Hue's butt.
Kessler is a good player but when he gets under pressure, he crumbles. Ever since his concussions he's gun shy.
Hogan did have a bad game... no, not a bad game- a bad QUARTER. The first quarter was decent, the second quarter was bad on both sides of the ball. Being on the road against a tough team and falling behind allowed the Texans to play the pass to a much better degree. Hogan knows he has to keep the defense more honest and that he has to play better to do that. He's more than capable of doing that. The kid had a bad quarter. Did he turn the ball over the rest of the game?
Kizer should not start another game. He always plays the pitty me card, that is embarrassing. I hate listening to him suck Hue's butt.
Kessler is a good player but when he gets under pressure, he crumbles. Ever since his concussions he's gun shy.
Hogan did have a bad game... no, not a bad game- a bad QUARTER. The first quarter was decent, the second quarter was bad on both sides of the ball. Being on the road against a tough team and falling behind allowed the Texans to play the pass to a much better degree. Hogan knows he has to keep the defense more honest and that he has to play better to do that. He's more than capable of doing that. The kid had a bad quarter. Did he turn the ball over the rest of the game?
HAHAHAHA PO & that quarter sunk the Browns. . The Texans were up 27-3 by halftime, 33-3 in the third quarter, they let the Browns have a couple garbage time scores in the 4th.
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Kizer should not start another game. He always plays the pitty me card, that is embarrassing. I hate listening to him suck Hue's butt.
Kessler is a good player but when he gets under pressure, he crumbles. Ever since his concussions he's gun shy.
Hogan did have a bad game... no, not a bad game- a bad QUARTER. The first quarter was decent, the second quarter was bad on both sides of the ball. Being on the road against a tough team and falling behind allowed the Texans to play the pass to a much better degree. Hogan knows he has to keep the defense more honest and that he has to play better to do that. He's more than capable of doing that. The kid had a bad quarter. Did he turn the ball over the rest of the game?
HAHAHAHA PO & that quarter sunk the Browns. . The Texans were up 27-3 by halftime, 33-3 in the third quarter, they let the Browns have a couple garbage time scores in the 4th.
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Start Kevin Hogan if you want to win games. I'm so tired of the lies a few on these boards like to spew and spread like a virus. Show me proof that what you say is true. Hogan routinely makes NFL throws, so saying he doesn't have an NFL arm means nothing to me except that you don't know what you're talking about. And as much as you talk, that's alarming.
Take a look at all 3 INTS in the first half against the Texans. All poor throws for a guy with no NFL arm. He's not good enough. There's a reason he was available and the Chiefs didn't even want him to be the backup. He had his chance and he shit on himself for all of us to see.
Take a look at all 3 INTS in the first half against the Texans. All poor throws for a guy with no NFL arm. He's not good enough. There's a reason he was available and the Chiefs didn't even want him to be the backup. He had his chance and he Sheet on himself for all of us to see.
Was it because he has a poor arm or because th gameplan didn't focus on his strengths? Should he be making long vertical? I'm really not defending as much as sincerely asking.
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Take a look at all 3 INTS in the first half against the Texans. All poor throws for a guy with no NFL arm. He's not good enough. There's a reason he was available and the Chiefs didn't even want him to be the backup. He had his chance and he Sheet on himself for all of us to see.
Was it because he has a poor arm or because th gameplan didn't focus on his strengths? Should he be making long vertical? I'm really not defending as much as sincerely asking.
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Hogan said that the DL was trying to bat his passes down, ie "running around with their arms up" and he tried to lob it over the DL. He just put too much on it and it sailed over Duke's head. On a play in the middle of the field he can't do that, he knows that now. He said that he has to stay on his technique and if the DL bats it down then that is a good play by them, but he learned from that.
He's a smart QB and one that will actually learn from his mistakes... unlike another QB that guys are putting up on a toadstool.
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Does it really matter?
Hogan has played his best ball as a reliever for the starter. That's his best role. That should be his only role. He had a week to prepare with the first string and he looked absolutely horrible. The number of overthrown passes was too many to count...and many of those could have been picked. At best Hogan is a backup.
Kessler's arm leaves a lot to be desired, to the point that it is not of NFL caliber. His sideline throws could almost be timed with a sundial. He's also gun shy...as soon as the pocket breaks apart he's running for his life - probably the result of multiple concussions received last season. He does appear to be able to read and digest a defense, but he ducks for cover too soon, eliminating the opportunity to make a throw. Another player who, at best, is a backup.
Kizer looks the part of a franchise quarterback: big, tall, mobile, cannon arm. His most glaring problem is arguably one that is fixable - the ability to accurately read a defense. He's got to be able to determine what coverage the defenders are playing, identify where the defenders are located, anticipate their movements, and select a receiver who will be open against that defense. So far he's been unbelievably inefficient in this regard - particularly in the red zone. On Gruden's pre-draft QB show Kizer appeared the most knowledgeable chalk talker of any of the QB prospects, which makes his performance to-date all the more frustrating. Other QB's have had horrible first seasons that were plagued with tons of INTs, and then went on to have great careers (Aikman, Peyton). Not saying that Kizer is akin to those QBs, but perhaps the best thing for his development is to be on the field and play. He won't learn as much sitting on the sideline, and the team is not going anywhere with either Hogan or Kessler at the helm.
But does it really matter? Are any of these players truly franchise quarterbacks? Because that's what the Browns need - and what the fans deserve.
I'm all-in on taking the best QB available with the Browns first pick in the 2018 draft. Anything else at this point is patently unacceptable.
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So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
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So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however.
This is absolutely true of people who think Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm is the next Steve Young.
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Hogan did not have a week to prepare for the start. It was thrust upon him on Wednesday with only 3 days to play. I don't doubt he wasn't ready though. He prepares each and every day to be the starter, thus why he was in position to be the starter.
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Hogan did not have a week to prepare for the start. It was thrust upon him on Wednesday with only 3 days to play. I don't doubt he wasn't ready though. He prepares each and every day to be the starter, thus why he was in position to be the starter.
Hogan did not have a week to prepare for the start. It was thrust upon him on Wednesday with only 3 days to play. I don't doubt he wasn't ready though. He prepares each and every day to be the starter, thus why he was in position to be the starter.
more excuses for a back up QBs shitty performance as a starter.
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This is absolutely true of people who think Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm is the next Steve Young.
Noodle Arm -LOLOLOL!!! That's hilarious. Did you come up with that yourself. Would make sense, since it's certainly untrue.
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Who were the starting WRs for Hogan vs. The Texans? - I'll wait.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm has made one start in his career.
I bet he doesn't make another 15 starts in his entire career. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't come close to that, actually.
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