Start Kevin Hogan!
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The same ones who start when Kizer has played but that isn't stopping you from judging his poor play. Maybe because you haven't had Kizers wanker up your butt.
Kizer had Britt.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm has made one start in his career.
I bet he doesn't make another 15 starts in his entire career. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't come close to that, actually.
Exactly, 1 start. Kizer has Sheet the bed 6 times. Kessler 8 times. You guys are bad at math... and it's very basic math at that.
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Kizer had Britt.
Hahahaha!
You are trying to say Kenny Britt not being available HURT Hogan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Hahahaha!
You are trying to say Kenny Britt not being available HURT Hogan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes, and that you find that not having a veteran WR on the field is funny tells me all I need to know.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I'm done with you and this topic. This basically sums up what everyone who watches objectively have been saying....
QB Kevin Hogan
College: Stanford
Year: RS Senior
Birth Year: 1992
Height: 6-4
Weight: 218Analysis
For four years Kevin Hogan led Stanford’s offense brilliantly, building a reputation as one of the hardest workers and better leaders in college football. Despite average physical tools and less-than-ideal mechanics, Hogan typically got results, playing especially well on some big stages in 2015. The fifth-year senior made strides every season, but even last year I would have told you he was undraftable. Fast-forward to 2015, and my criticism of Hogan has certainly softened somewhat.
Hogan will never have an elite arm, but I believe he possesses the necessary tools to be at least an adequate passer to all levels of the field. His deep ball is inconsistent, but Hogan’s ability to throw with touch from a sound base is impressive. He can drop the ball in the bucket with enough arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. The senior’s mid-range velocity is solid, but only when he has the time and space to step into throws. Compromise his feet at all, and the results can get ugly.
Therein lies one of the bigger concerns with Hogan, how he performs when the protection breaks down. His escapability is impressive, as Hogan remains one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the 2016 class. Once on the move however, Hogan is more improvisational than he is accurate, typically struggling to set his feet and deliver an accurate throw. He can get frazzled when contained in the pocket under pressure, throwing off his back foot and forcing ill-advised passes into tight coverage. Hogan is at his best on deep drops when he can establish a clean base and be afforded time to load up the ball.
That brings us to the most bizarre aspect of Hogan’s skill set, his elongated delivery. The Stanford passer drops the ball low before slinging his arm upward in an almost circular motion, a release that is even stranger looking than Phillip Rivers’. The results are surprisingly favorable on intermediate passes between the hashmarks, but the closer to the boundary or down the field Hogan goes, the ball begins to dip and wobble a good bit. Hogan’s need to really load the pass up to reach maximum velocity is concerning too, as the extra half-second gives defenses time to get in position to make a play on the ball. This will lead to him scrambling instead of standing tall in the pocket to hit an open target, as Hogan simply isn’t comfortable throwing with pressure in his face due to how much time and space he needs to unload the ball.
As far as intangibles go, Hogan brings every desirable trait to the table. He’ll train like a starter even as a backup, showing marvelous leadership traits, competitive drive, and the toughness teams love to see in a quarterback. He’s well-spoken and cerebral, showing a strong understand and execution of a pro-style offense which should make his transition to the NFL easier this fall. As far as ex-factors go, Hogan is athletic and gutsy, fully willing to carry the ball himself and take a shot in order to make a play. His teammates have always spoken highly of him, and he accepted an unenviable-mantle from Andrew Luck with confidence and poise.
Hogan’s improvement in 2015 is substantial enough for me to place a draftable grade on him, but I do think NFL teams will be concerned about his mechanics, and about the fact that Hogan was never really asked to carry the Stanford offense thanks to Christian McCaffrey’s presence. His physical tools are adequate however, and his intangibles, athleticism, and accuracy will all be intriguing to teams on the draft’s third day. I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
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Hahahaha!
You are trying to say Kenny Britt not being available HURT Hogan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes, and that you find that not having a veteran WR on the field is funny tells me all I need to know.
Yes, and that you find that not having a veteran WR on the field is funny tells me all I need to know.
The veteran WR who has been horrible? The one that EVERYONE on this board is calling a free agent bust? The veteran WR who is on the verge of being traded/released? THAT GUY?
Your troll act is getting old.
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Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
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Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
Read the whole thing...
I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
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I'm done with you and this topic. This basically sums up what everyone who watches objectively have been saying....
QB Kevin Hogan
College: Stanford
Year: RS Senior
Birth Year: 1992
Height: 6-4
Weight: 218Analysis
For four years Kevin Hogan led Stanford’s offense brilliantly, building a reputation as one of the hardest workers and better leaders in college football. Despite average physical tools and less-than-ideal mechanics, Hogan typically got results, playing especially well on some big stages in 2015. The fifth-year senior made strides every season, but even last year I would have told you he was undraftable. Fast-forward to 2015, and my criticism of Hogan has certainly softened somewhat.
Hogan will never have an elite arm, but I believe he possesses the necessary tools to be at least an adequate passer to all levels of the field. His deep ball is inconsistent, but Hogan’s ability to throw with touch from a sound base is impressive. He can drop the ball in the bucket with enough arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. The senior’s mid-range velocity is solid, but only when he has the time and space to step into throws. Compromise his feet at all, and the results can get ugly.
Therein lies one of the bigger concerns with Hogan, how he performs when the protection breaks down. His escapability is impressive, as Hogan remains one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the 2016 class. Once on the move however, Hogan is more improvisational than he is accurate, typically struggling to set his feet and deliver an accurate throw. He can get frazzled when contained in the pocket under pressure, throwing off his back foot and forcing ill-advised passes into tight coverage. Hogan is at his best on deep drops when he can establish a clean base and be afforded time to load up the ball.
That brings us to the most bizarre aspect of Hogan’s skill set, his elongated delivery. The Stanford passer drops the ball low before slinging his arm upward in an almost circular motion, a release that is even stranger looking than Phillip Rivers’. The results are surprisingly favorable on intermediate passes between the hashmarks, but the closer to the boundary or down the field Hogan goes, the ball begins to dip and wobble a good bit. Hogan’s need to really load the pass up to reach maximum velocity is concerning too, as the extra half-second gives defenses time to get in position to make a play on the ball. This will lead to him scrambling instead of standing tall in the pocket to hit an open target, as Hogan simply isn’t comfortable throwing with pressure in his face due to how much time and space he needs to unload the ball.
As far as intangibles go, Hogan brings every desirable trait to the table. He’ll train like a starter even as a backup, showing marvelous leadership traits, competitive drive, and the toughness teams love to see in a quarterback. He’s well-spoken and cerebral, showing a strong understand and execution of a pro-style offense which should make his transition to the NFL easier this fall. As far as ex-factors go, Hogan is athletic and gutsy, fully willing to carry the ball himself and take a shot in order to make a play. His teammates have always spoken highly of him, and he accepted an unenviable-mantle from Andrew Luck with confidence and poise.
Hogan’s improvement in 2015 is substantial enough for me to place a draftable grade on him, but I do think NFL teams will be concerned about his mechanics, and about the fact that Hogan was never really asked to carry the Stanford offense thanks to Christian McCaffrey’s presence. His physical tools are adequate however, and his intangibles, athleticism, and accuracy will all be intriguing to teams on the draft’s third day. I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
QB Kevin Hogan
College: Stanford
Year: RS Senior
Birth Year: 1992
Height: 6-4
Weight: 218Analysis
For four years Kevin Hogan led Stanford’s offense brilliantly, building a reputation as one of the hardest workers and better leaders in college football. Despite average physical tools and less-than-ideal mechanics, Hogan typically got results, playing especially well on some big stages in 2015.
Hogan will never have an elite arm, but I believe he possesses the necessary tools to be at least an adequate passer to all levels of the field. His deep ball is inconsistent, but Hogan’s ability to throw with touch from a sound base is impressive. He can drop the ball in the bucket with enough arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. The senior’s mid-range velocity is solid.
. His escapability is impressive, as Hogan remains one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the 2016 class.
As far as intangibles go, Hogan brings every desirable trait to the table. He’ll train like a starter even as a backup, showing marvelous leadership traits, competitive drive, and the toughness teams love to see in a quarterback. He’s well-spoken and cerebral, showing a strong understand and execution of a pro-style offense which should make his transition to the NFL easier this fall. As far as ex-factors go, Hogan is athletic and gutsy, fully willing to carry the ball himself and take a shot in order to make a play. His teammates have always spoken highly of him, and he accepted an unenviable-mantle from Andrew Luck with confidence and poise.
Hogan’s improvement in 2015. His physical tools are adequate however, and his intangibles, athleticism, and accuracy will all be intriguing to teams
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Wonderful....He's fucking Colt McCoy...
Notice how you failed to quote this section that I already posted. Not to mention the mentions of his "wind up" and being able to drive the ball and being inaccurate and all the other things that were negative. Which just shows that you are not the least bit objective about this guy and nothing more than a homo girl in love with this guy. I'll just leave you again with the final line.
I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
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He deserves another start at some point. Most of our fans are idiots.
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nope, I saw that and that was nonsensical. His windup isn't that exaggerated. Your analysis of his windup is exaggerated. He has a rather quick release actually. Besides all that said was he needed to work on technique and footwork. I've already said that he has to pay attention to that and do a better job under pressure to 'keep up his technique'
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Peyton Manning has won 2 super bowls and holds nearly every passing record in the NFL. Please tell me you're not seriously comparing Kevin Shmucking Hogan to Peyton Manning??
You're not that gay for this guy are you?
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Yeah but i bet he threw for a Sheet ton of yds in said game. And while he never gad the greatest cannon he offset it with accuracy and ability to essentially be his own OC. We get none of that with hogan. Kizer aint much better, i grant u....but hogan isnt starting for us next year. So i want kizer to either improve or show us we need to draft his replacement.
Im not in the mood for the browns to eke out a win or two with hogan so our offseason priorities are muddled
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
Only 58%? Shmuck im worried now. I feel like the browns arent getting the job done...Shmucking only 58%
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So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
PO, I'm not chasing Hogan out of town. He's shown promise as a relief pitcher. He got one start, and stunk it up. Maybe he'll get another if Kizer continues to play at an equally bad level- or gets hurt. With Joe out for the year- that could be a possibility. .
Exactly, 1 start. Kizer has Sheet the bed 6 times. Kessler 8 times. You guys are bad at math... and it's very basic math at that.
So Hogan gets at least 6 starts to prove he isn't starter material too? Well here's the math Po. Kizer got drafted in the second round, big arm ideal size. Kevin Hogan- 5th round pick Kansas City cut and the Browns picked up off the scrap heap. Kizer gets at least a couple more starts to see if he can improve.
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