The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Post. Of. The. Year.
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I'm going to quote Vince Lombardi
Once you accept losing, you can never win.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
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Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
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Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
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Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
And you get your information directly tubed into your sphincter from aliens?
Or, if not there, where do you get your info? Do you have no job and are independently wealthy such that you can go around to all the NFL camps and get inside information on all NFL teams? Does God come to you and give you your information in visions?
I get my info from all the sources that all fans get their info: watching TV, ESPN, Fox sports. Newspapers, websites etc.
And, as I said....the proposition that A. Kizer is better than anyone coming out....came from the above comment by CDL15 The proposition that this next draft class of QB maybe the best since forever came from....well.....everywhere and everyone.
You are welcome to disagree with all of that.....and you are welcome to identify the sources of your information that leads to your belief. But, I doubt that you really have any different or better sources than any of the rest of us.
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Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
Sometimes I just skim and must have missed it. Have you (or anyone else) watched Rosen so far this year? I haven’t seen much PAC 12 outside of some USC games.
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Rosen and Darnold are the two best I have watched this year. But Rosen has absolutely nothing for a defense so he's always under pressure to score every time they have the ball. They play this Sat. against one another and I think it would be well worth recording for any Browns fan to watch in detail. ABC TV 800 pm eastern.
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I haven't seen a lot from Rosen or Darnold. A bit here, a bit there. Rosen has looked better than Darnold in what I have seen.
I have seen a bit of Rudolph...and he has looked good. He has the same problem as Rosen.......he puts 52 points up...and the team loses by 10!!
And last week vs. Iowa St. he has to put up 49 to win. the other team scoring 42.
In fact, these are the points he has put up this year:
59, 44, 59, 31, 41, 59, 50, 52, 49....and 13! (but...they won that game...13-10 over Texas)
For Rosen...it is somewhat similar.....he has put up 45, 56, 45, 34, 27, 30, 31, 23, 17, 44.
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Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Glad LB qouted this because I'd missed it skimming to get caught up... but I had to pull my point for wanting "a football guy". Matters not where the meddling comes from... Jimmah or a guy reporting to Jimmah. Result will be the same... meddling.
Let the process work...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Glad LB qouted this because I'd missed it skimming to get caught up... but I had to pull my point for wanting "a football guy". Matters not where the meddling comes from... Jimmah or a guy reporting to Jimmah. Result will be the same... meddling.
Let the process work...
The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue.
We're not sure Hue, who apparently liked Wentz and Watson, was responsible for not getting a QB
but I had to pull my point for wanting "a football guy"
A football guy is precisely what we need along with an OC. If we keep it up with Hue being HC and OC I don't see how it can be successful, and also, however we're picking QB's now doesn't seem to be successful either. Whether it be Hue, the F.O., or a combination of both, they need someone who can more efficiently evaluate QB's.
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Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????
We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue.
We're not sure Hue, who apparently liked Wentz and Watson, was responsible for not getting a QB
but I had to pull my point for wanting "a football guy"
A football guy is precisely what we need along with an OC. If we keep it up with Hue being HC and OC I don't see how it can be successful, and also, however we're picking QB's now doesn't seem to be successful either. Whether it be Hue, the F.O., or a combination of both, they need someone who can more efficiently evaluate QB's.
We're not sure Hue, who apparently liked Wentz and Watson, was responsible for not getting a QB
So our collection of geniuses in the front office don't actually select players they allow the coaches to dictate picks, sounds plausible.
2016 Draft 1st Round
Sashi: I like this Wentz kid I think he could be the real deal.
Hue: Fuch that noise, I can't work with his raw talent. Trade back get me Corey Coleman and more picks.
2017 Draft 1st Round
Sashi: Hue you liked RG3 and I think this Watson kid could be as good if not better.
Hue: Dude are you high? I want a kinda safety that Greg wants to play out of position and a TE that isn't sure if he's playing football or cricket.
Yeah I can see it now
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Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????
We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.
Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????
We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.
Tour, Bigalow80 said the first phrase, not you, must of been an error when quoting.
In my eyes, as a group making decisions, what would be wrong with one more guy who has an eye for talent?
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I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
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I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs. They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft. This year... it will be time to take a shot...
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I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs. They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft. This year... it will be time to take a shot...
And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs. They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft. This year... it will be time to take a shot...
Especially when it doesn't appear that there is a non-QB who is going to be a consensus #1 type pick. (As of today)
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I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
I just dont get it.
2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him. Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term. As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.
2017- Garrett was a no-brainer. When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson. Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.
Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...
I've been on the record as saying that the front office should not be canned after this year but that being said, every draft is viewed using hindsight. You evaluate how it went 2-4 years after they take place. That's why it's the front office's job to scout, review the roster and make calculated decisions based on all available information in order to maximize the benefit of the draft. If you choose not to draft Wentz or Watson when QB is a glaring need you hope that guys you draft prove to be better than what you passed on. I agree that you can't hold Dak Prescott against the Browns front office but clearly the Eagles needed a QB and moved into the Browns spot to draft him #2. Another front office evaluated Wentz and to this point he appears to be a franchise QB.
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