Browns vs Lions
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First thing you have to realize is that this is a bottom line league...you are what your record says you are. Hue is 1-24 as a HC, that sucks and he is still making the same mistakes over and over and over again. His play callling is horrendous. I think he's actually keeping Kizer from playing better. So those of you saying that we should keep Huey no matter what....what does it take for him to lose his job? Does he need to literally take a Sheet on the field during the game? 1-31 is still ok in your mind? What about 1-47? 2-46? What does it take for the organization to decide that he's just not a good HC and find someone else?
Frankly I don't care if we go 1-31 or 2-30. Next year I expect to see improvement. The players won't be so young. And with the draft, we will be much better. Now if next year we don't see improvement next year, then I will join the bandwagon as well to get rid of Hue. And I do agree with most people on this board that we need an OC. It's way too much for Hue to coach this team without one.
Frankly I don't care if we go 1-31 or 2-30. Next year I expect to see improvement. The players won't be so young. And with the draft, we will be much better. Now if next year we don't see improvement next year, then I will join the bandwagon as well to get rid of Hue. And I do agree with most people on this board that we need an OC. It's way too much for Hue to coach this team without one.
lmao....Hue isn't coming back for next year barring some turnaround. You dont keep your job as a head coach if you set records for futility.
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I'm a Lions fan and I have a little insight in to this. Lions went 0-16 in 2008. They drafted Stafford #1 and they went 2-14 in his rookie year, which he went 2-8 and missed 6 games. We did get blown out quite a few times, but it was a big step forward from the 2008 team. In 2010 Stafford only played 3 games, but he had 6tds and 1int in those games. The Lions went 6-10 and lost a lot of games that were close. The third year after 0-16, Stafford played his first full season. We won 10 games and made the playoffs the first time in 12 seasons. Stafford had 5000 yards and 40tds. So basically we went 2-14, 6-10, 10-6 after going 0-16. Depending on how the Browns finish this year will tell if progress really has been made. I'd say 4-12 would be a natural progression where you can say ok we improved.
Good game today by the way. I know I was dreading this game, as nobody wants to be the team to lose to a team without a win. Lions had a big game last week winning in Lambeau for the second time in 28 seasons. We were in a short week and came out flat for sure. The Lions in my opinion played one of their worse games today. The Browns are desperate and have nothing to lose, nobody wants to play a team like that. I will give up to Browns coaches a little bit, they came out with a great game plan and those first scripted plays were executed really well. Kizer played his best game perhaps.
Good Luck the rest of the way.
Appreciate the sentiment but please the Lions stink as well. They may stink a bit less than the Browns but Stafford is 55-62. I'm not hating on the Lions because you guys are the NFC's version of the Browns but the template for success isn't there. Yes Stafford has made the Lions better than a cellar dweller but that is about it.
BTW with the direction the Browns are heading I'd take Detroit's limited success in a heartbeat.
Appreciate the sentiment but please the Lions stink as well. They may stink a bit less than the Browns but Stafford is 55-62. I'm not hating on the Lions because you guys are the NFC's version of the Browns but the template for success isn't there. Yes Stafford has made the Lions better than a cellar dweller but that is about it.
BTW with the direction the Browns are heading I'd take Detroit's limited success in a heartbeat.
Stafford gets the least amount of help of any qb with a positive WPA (win percentage added) in NFL history. He has a game winning drive or 4th quarter comeback in 24.7% of his NFL starts. He's had a RB rush for 100 yards in 8 of 117 games the lowest rate in NFL history. He was drafted to the worse team in NFL history. The Lions have been a bad franchise but you can't put it on Stafford.
We've made a lot of strides over past 5 years. We actually have a winning record under Caldwell. We're not a great team, but coming from 0-16 and not winning in Lambeau in 26 years or winning a road game in 3 years, we have realty improved. If we get a RB to help Stafford we'll be a contender. We're probably a wild card team this season.
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Frankly I don't care if we go 1-31 or 2-30. Next year I expect to see improvement. The players won't be so young. And with the draft, we will be much better. Now if next year we don't see improvement next year, then I will join the bandwagon as well to get rid of Hue. And I do agree with most people on this board that we need an OC. It's way too much for Hue to coach this team without one.
lmao....Hue isn't coming back for next year barring some turnaround. You dont keep your job as a head coach if you set records for futility.
lmao....Hue isn't coming back for next year barring some turnaround. You dont keep your job as a head coach if you set records for futility.
No...we have to give him more time because 32 games isn't enough. Not until he's 3-45 will we know that he's a shitty coach.
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Getting sympathy from a Lion’s fan makes me want to put a plastic bag over my head.
LOL well at least the Browns Board is like our support group.
Hi I'm Bacon, I've been a Browns fan since 1985. I've tried to avoid this horrible addiction but I can't seem to kick the habit.
LOL well at least the Browns Board is like our support group.
Hi I'm Bacon, I've been a Browns fan since 1985. I've tried to avoid this horrible addiction but I can't seem to kick the habit.
My addiction started in 1967...thanks to my dad.
I find the Browns Board is more like a group therapy session, you know...misery loves company.
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Hi, my name is Orion, I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess. (The Red Green Show)
Lions fans pity us. ugh....
We're about as low as it gets. Especially with the 49'ers winning...we're the undisputed chumpions...so far.
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Hi, my name is Orion, I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess. (The Red Green Show)
Lions fans pity us. ugh....
We're about as low as it gets. Especially with the 49'ers winning...we're the undisputed chumpions...so far.
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I'll write more later (I'm sure you all are so excited) but I don't have time right now. There's a part of me that is somewhat encouraged today, but honestly, there's a bigger part that is so completely aggrevated by our continued red zone buttfukkery. That series of events before the half just sent me into a tailspin. Now, I DO love how we responded, and that can't be understated, but we are a team that can NEVER leave points on the field, and I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it....
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I'll write more later (I'm sure you all are so excited) but I don't have time right now. There's a part of me that is somewhat encouraged today, but honestly, there's a bigger part that is so completely aggrevated by our continued red zone buttfukkery. That series of events before the half just sent me into a tailspin. Now, I DO love how we responded, and that can't be understated, but we are a team that can NEVER leave points on the field, and I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it....
I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it....
It's called poor clock management, something having a really good OC could cure in a heartbeat. But with Hue it's a chronic problem.
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I have to vent on something, and I'm going to do my absolute best to keep it from being TOO whiney and immature, but I am so COMPLETELY sick and effing tired of our offense trying the freaking "fade pass" to the corner of the end zone OVER AND OVER again. I can't take it. The only time I can remember it working is when Hogan threw a pass to Devalve when the Houston game was well out of hand, and other than that, I can probably count twenty failed attempts. That interception at the end of the game yesterday was just so terrible, I couldn't even stop myself from screaming at the television like a mad man. My dog slinked away and hid under the couch, and even the birds in the front yard scattered like a bomb detonated. We run it SO MUCH that the defense is actually WAITING on it. I mean, the defender just backed off of Louis and waited for the effing ball! Ricardo got jammed like a little girl, and then looked to just give up on the pass. It was freaking awful, and I want to know WHY we continue to run a play that essentially NEVER works for us.
Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing but expecting a different result? And why would we EVER run that route to Ricardo? Has he ever really shown the ability to high-point the ball? I know we were down 14 and the game was pretty much over for all intents and purposes, but we HAVE TO GET BETTER in the red zone, and this was a golden opportunity to get some work in. I watched a highlight video of every touchdown scored this week, and do you have any idea how many TD's were scored from about the 5 yard line? I didn't see hardly any fades thrown, but I did see an impressive diversity of successful playcalls, and I HAVE to believe we have SOMETHING up our sleeve besides that dreaded "jump ball" crap. We can't do some misdirection? We can't try a middle-shovel pass? A QB draw? (not sneak, but draw). We can't try the play where the QB runs to his right and throws the dig route to the WR? How about a naked bootleg, or protected bootleg? We need a breath of fresh air blown into our offense, and I am firmly on the "hire an OC" bandwagon. What really hurts is how we can look somewhat decent all of the way UNTIL we get close to scoring, and then we just go stupid. What really hurts is hearing Hue Jackson saying we work really hard on red zone execution during the week, and that's pretty scary.
Something else too....the officials in the first half. I know only losers complain about the officiating, and I don't normally do it, but they REALLY screwed us on that one drive, and it was repulsive. The one on Shon Coleman was especially revolting, and even the announcer was like...."Uhhhh....I don't think I've seen that call before. Coleman looked to be on the line to me, so I guess the officials are going to be calling it very close." No, they aren't going to be calling it very close, because on several of the Lions' first half runs, there were worse holds on THEIR offense that weren't called. It's fine if they want to call a super tight game, but that has to extend BOTH WAYS, and it really didn't. We put together a very nice drive, Kizer made a nice throw to Britt for 30 yards, and the holding they called was so weak I couldn't believe it.
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I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it....
It's called poor clock management, something having a really good OC could cure in a heartbeat. But with Hue it's a chronic problem.
It's called poor clock management, something having a really good OC could cure in a heartbeat. But with Hue it's a chronic problem.
Its something that poor head coach continues to struggle with. It's been a struggle for 25 games now, I don't think he's going to suddenly "get it" in the 26th game either. Maybe he just wanted to make sure to leave enough time for Detroit to score.
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I have to vent on something, and I'm going to do my absolute best to keep it from being TOO whiney and immature, but I am so COMPLETELY sick and effing tired of our offense trying the freaking "fade pass" to the corner of the end zone OVER AND OVER again. I can't take it. The only time I can remember it working is when Hogan threw a pass to Devalve when the Houston game was well out of hand, and other than that, I can probably count twenty failed attempts. That interception at the end of the game yesterday was just so terrible, I couldn't even stop myself from screaming at the television like a mad man. My dog slinked away and hid under the couch, and even the birds in the front yard scattered like a bomb detonated. We run it SO MUCH that the defense is actually WAITING on it. I mean, the defender just backed off of Louis and waited for the effing ball! Ricardo got jammed like a little girl, and then looked to just give up on the pass. It was freaking awful, and I want to know WHY we continue to run a play that essentially NEVER works for us.
Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing but expecting a different result? And why would we EVER run that route to Ricardo? Has he ever really shown the ability to high-point the ball? I know we were down 14 and the game was pretty much over for all intents and purposes, but we HAVE TO GET BETTER in the red zone, and this was a golden opportunity to get some work in. I watched a highlight video of every touchdown scored this week, and do you have any idea how many TD's were scored from about the 5 yard line? I didn't see hardly any fades thrown, but I did see an impressive diversity of successful playcalls, and I HAVE to believe we have SOMETHING up our sleeve besides that dreaded "jump ball" crap. We can't do some misdirection? We can't try a middle-shovel pass? A QB draw? (not sneak, but draw). We can't try the play where the QB runs to his right and throws the dig route to the WR? How about a naked bootleg, or protected bootleg? We need a breath of fresh air blown into our offense, and I am firmly on the "hire an OC" bandwagon. What really hurts is how we can look somewhat decent all of the way UNTIL we get close to scoring, and then we just go stupid. What really hurts is hearing Hue Jackson saying we work really hard on red zone execution during the week, and that's pretty scary.
Something else too....the officials in the first half. I know only losers complain about the officiating, and I don't normally do it, but they REALLY screwed us on that one drive, and it was repulsive. The one on Shon Coleman was especially revolting, and even the announcer was like...."Uhhhh....I don't think I've seen that call before. Coleman looked to be on the line to me, so I guess the officials are going to be calling it very close." No, they aren't going to be calling it very close, because on several of the Lions' first half runs, there were worse holds on THEIR offense that weren't called. It's fine if they want to call a super tight game, but that has to extend BOTH WAYS, and it really didn't. We put together a very nice drive, Kizer made a nice throw to Britt for 30 yards, and the holding they called was so weak I couldn't believe it.
I have to vent on something, and I'm going to do my absolute best to keep it from being TOO whiney and immature, but I am so COMPLETELY sick and effing tired of our offense trying the freaking "fade pass" to the corner of the end zone OVER AND OVER again. I can't take it.
Again...its the HC and the guy calling the plays. Kizer is not good at that throw. Everyone of us who have watched the games can see it's not something he's good at. Maybe it will improve with time or next training camp...but right now...he doesn't have it, so why fucking call it over and over again? Because our coach is a fucking moron. Same reason why in Hogan's start against the Texans he kept having him throw those deep out patterns that clearly Hogan doesn't have the arm for....but hell...its in the playbook so we're going to keep trying it. Huey does not adjust his coaching to the players he has on the field. He expects the players to run the plays that he thinks should work, regardless of skill set.
It's the sign of a bad coach and hey...he's 1-24 and he's won 2 of his last 30...but lets give him more time to see if he improves.
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You definitely don't want a guy with a strong arm but accuracy problems to make throws putting air under the ball. I would prefer if he simply played curl, quick outs or other patterns where the ball has to get fast and the defender only can try to protect the pass and doesn't have a 50/50 shot on making an interception. Red zone efficiency sucks.
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Can you guys please knock off the "fire Hue Jackson" crap??!! For Pete's sake, I'm sick of firing everybody every year and starting over. Hue justs needs some talent and time. How many of you guys calling for Hue's head could do better with this group?
Give them time and let them grow together. Starting all over constantly SUCKS. We need receivers!!!
Can you guys please knock off the "fire Hue Jackson" crap??!! For Pete's sake, I'm sick of firing everybody every year and starting over. Hue justs needs some talent and time. How many of you guys calling for Hue's head could do better with this group?
Give them time and let them grow together. Starting all over constantly SUCKS. We need receivers!!!
Hue Jackson just needs talent. Not a truer statement is made..... The problem is that he needs someone with talent to be the OC and HC of this team....and he does not appear to be that guy.
Again....I think a lot of the problem is that he is trying to do both jobs.....and is shitty at both jobs, where maybe if he did one or the other he could be pretty good.
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Hue is 2-30 in his last 32 games as head coach. He's 1-24 with the Browns, so at worst I'd only have 1 less win than Hue would with this exact same team. He's a LOUSY HC. If this team doesn't win some games down the stretch (and its a stretch that they will) someone has to get fired. A team can't go 1-31 and have someone not lose their job.
First thing you have to realize is:
- Those of you calling for Hue to get canned will never get it. You must love having a new coach every one or two years.
- Those of you calling for our young players to be canned, I don't know where to begin. Seth gets a ball knocked out, he needs to be canned. Njuko didn't block the rusher, he needs to be canned. And this is just this game, not to mention much more.
- We got rid of all of our high priced players and made this team one of the youngest in the league. They need to grow and will take time.
- Kizer played much better until the last play of the game, but you have to give him credit for that. But like I said before, these are all rookies or 2nd year players. I truly believe in the next 2 years, these guys will be playing at a very high level. You guys have to bear with this team.
First thing you have to realize is:
- Those of you calling for Hue to get canned will never get it. You must love having a new coach every one or two years.
- If we get a new coach every 2 years....one of them may turn out to be actually good. Yes you advocate keeping trash just for the sake of keeping it.
- Those of you calling for our young players to be canned, I don't know where to begin. Seth gets a ball knocked out, he needs to be canned. Njuko didn't block the rusher, he needs to be canned. And this is just this game, not to mention much more.
- I don't think these young players need to be canned. There is a lot of talent. They do need experience...and better coaching.
- We got rid of all of our high priced players and made this team one of the youngest in the league. They need to grow and will take time.
- Yes.....and it was still a foolish move, imo to get rid of a few of those players. You can still have a young team with bit of veteran leadership. Keeping McCown would have helped Kizer. Keeping Haden may have helped, maybe. Keeping Barnidge would have helped.
- Kizer played much better until the last play of the game, but you have to give him credit for that. But like I said before, these are all rookies or 2nd year players. I truly believe in the next 2 years, these guys will be playing at a very high level. You guys have to bear with this team.
- What choice do we have? We are not the one choosing this team. We know Kizer is a rook.....but I also think he could have used some veteran help to mentor him. Nothing wrong with that.
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You definitely don't want a guy with a strong arm but accuracy problems to make throws putting air under the ball. I would prefer if he simply played curl, quick outs or other patterns where the ball has to get fast and the defender only can try to protect the pass and doesn't have a 50/50 shot on making an interception. Red zone efficiency sucks.
You definitely don't want a guy with a strong arm but accuracy problems to make throws putting air under the ball. I would prefer if he simply played curl, quick outs or other patterns where the ball has to get fast and the defender only can try to protect the pass and doesn't have a 50/50 shot on making an interception. Red zone efficiency sucks.
We have had this problem constantly with the Browns: Derek Anderson, Brandon Weeden.. Who else?....and now, maybe, Kizer. Guys with Bazooka arms who only shoot lasers, but have no touch on the ball.
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Can you guys please knock off the "fire Hue Jackson" crap??!! For Pete's sake, I'm sick of firing everybody every year and starting over. Hue justs needs some talent and time. How many of you guys calling for Hue's head could do better with this group?
Give them time and let them grow together. Starting all over constantly SUCKS. We need receivers!!!
Hue Jackson just needs talent. Not a truer statement is made..... The problem is that he needs someone with talent to be the OC and HC of this team....and he does not appear to be that guy.
Again....I think a lot of the problem is that he is trying to do both jobs.....and is shitty at both jobs, where maybe if he did one or the other he could be pretty good.
Again....I think a lot of the problem is that he is trying to do both jobs.....and is shitty at both jobs, where maybe if he did one or the other he could be pretty good.
He's not the first new HC who wants to both be a coordinator and a HC. I would get that if you were an already proven genius, but taking two spots on a coaching personnel in your first job as HC?
Even Bellichick WHO HAD A RING as defensive coordinator, when hired as HC had both OC and DC.
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Again....I think a lot of the problem is that he is trying to do both jobs.....and is shitty at both jobs, where maybe if he did one or the other he could be pretty good.
He's not the first new HC who wants to both be a coordinator and a HC. I would get that if you were an already proven genius, but taking two spots on a coaching personnel in your first job as HC?
Even Bellichick WHO HAD A RING as defensive coordinator, when hired as HC had both OC and DC.
He's not the first new HC who wants to both be a coordinator and a HC. I would get that if you were an already proven genius, but taking two spots on a coaching personnel in your first job as HC?
Even Bellichick WHO HAD A RING as defensive coordinator, when hired as HC had both OC and DC.
Marty Schottenheimer refused to hire an OC, which ultimately led to Modell firing his azz.
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You definitely don't want a guy with a strong arm but accuracy problems to make throws putting air under the ball. I would prefer if he simply played curl, quick outs or other patterns where the ball has to get fast and the defender only can try to protect the pass and doesn't have a 50/50 shot on making an interception. Red zone efficiency sucks.
We have had this problem constantly with the Browns: Derek Anderson, Brandon Weeden.. Who else?....and now, maybe, Kizer. Guys with Bazooka arms who only shoot lasers, but have no touch on the ball.
We have had this problem constantly with the Browns: Derek Anderson, Brandon Weeden.. Who else?....and now, maybe, Kizer. Guys with Bazooka arms who only shoot lasers, but have no touch on the ball.
Well, there are other QBs in the league with same assets, and intelligent coaches adapt the playing style to them. I think for example in Cam Newton. He can't be considered a super accurate QB and I wouldn't say he sucks, because he can run and has a strong arm, so when the gameplay adapts to his game his offense can work pretty well, even when he doesn't have a top receiveing unit.
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We have had this problem constantly with the Browns: Derek Anderson, Brandon Weeden.. Who else?....and now, maybe, Kizer. Guys with Bazooka arms who only shoot lasers, but have no touch on the ball.
Well, there are other QBs in the league with same assets, and intelligent coaches adapt the playing style to them. I think for example in Cam Newton. He can't be considered a super accurate QB and I wouldn't say he sucks, because he can run and has a strong arm, so when the gameplay adapts to his game his offense can work pretty well, even when he doesn't have a top receiveing unit.
Well, there are other QBs in the league with same assets, and intelligent coaches adapt the playing style to them. I think for example in Cam Newton. He can't be considered a super accurate QB and I wouldn't say he sucks, because he can run and has a strong arm, so when the gameplay adapts to his game his offense can work pretty well, even when he doesn't have a top receiveing unit.
that would require our head coach making adjustments to the strengths of the QB. Something Huey the bozo isn't capable of doing.
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Again....I think a lot of the problem is that he is trying to do both jobs.....and is shitty at both jobs, where maybe if he did one or the other he could be pretty good.
He's not the first new HC who wants to both be a coordinator and a HC. I would get that if you were an already proven genius, but taking two spots on a coaching personnel in your first job as HC?
Even Bellichick WHO HAD A RING as defensive coordinator, when hired as HC had both OC and DC.
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