Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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You think Hue will be here next season?
I kinda do think they will bring him back. Not sure how I feel about that decision, unless changes are made to his duties as Tour has pointed out. I'm not convinced he's a good coach and I think someone better could get more out of the team. I don't see how the current setup be brought back without any changes at all when we are staring 1-31 or 2-30 in the face over 2 seasons.
I kinda do think they will bring him back. Not sure how I feel about that decision, unless changes are made to his duties as Tour has pointed out. I'm not convinced he's a good coach and I think someone better could get more out of the team. I don't see how the current setup be brought back without any changes at all when we are staring 1-31 or 2-30 in the face over 2 seasons.
His gaffs with play calling and time management , are too counter productive to warrant giving Hue another season.. In My view as bad as it is.. I feel they all must go. As in the real world.. You don't make rate so to speak means you get a pink slip.. They'll find someone else more able bodied and have the wear with all to handle the duties necessary to steer the ship in a positive direction...
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I' sure we will but let's think about other options for a second.
Kirk Cousins will be a free agent more than likely.
Tyrod Taylor will probably be available either by cut or trade.
Teddy Twatwater may be on the block given that Bradford and Keenum are both playing well in that system.
Garapollo may test the market but that' pretty unlikely.
Is there any other options that intrigue anyone? This could be a really strong draft class for QBs but they all have serious red flags. Should we bring in a vet so we can develop a guy say Taylor FA/Jackson 1st pick because their play styles are somewhat similar?
I' sure we will but let's think about other options for a second.
Kirk Cousins will be a free agent more than likely.
Tyrod Taylor will probably be available either by cut or trade.
Teddy Twatwater may be on the block given that Bradford and Keenum are both playing well in that system.
Garapollo may test the market but that' pretty unlikely.
Is there any other options that intrigue anyone? This could be a really strong draft class for QBs but they all have serious red flags. Should we bring in a vet so we can develop a guy say Taylor FA/Jackson 1st pick because their play styles are somewhat similar?
Rosen and Darnald are light years better than Kizer, who is a joke. The bigger joke is Hue Jackson who is as bad as Sashi in evaluating QB talent!!!!!!
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His love for Hogan is getting borderline stalker.
It's gone way past borderline. He's probably not allowed within 500 yards of Hogan or be in violation of the restraining order.
At this point, I'm drafting Rosen, there's a lot of time between now and the draft and things can change but I think he's the guy. If McCarron comes here via FA with Hue thats fine too....no problem with having Rosen sit for a couple if AJ can play better than him. The only option that I read here that absolutely cannot under any circumstances, is to stay put with the suckfest combination of QB's we have right now.
It's gone way past borderline. He's probably not allowed within 500 yards of Hogan or be in violation of the restraining order.
At this point, I'm drafting Rosen, there's a lot of time between now and the draft and things can change but I think he's the guy. If McCarron comes here via FA with Hue thats fine too....no problem with having Rosen sit for a couple if AJ can play better than him. The only option that I read here that absolutely cannot under any circumstances, is to stay put with the suckfest combination of QB's we have right now.
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at least u seem to grasp the offensive side of the ball pretty well. ?
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You think Hue will be here next season?
I kinda do think they will bring him back. Not sure how I feel about that decision, unless changes are made to his duties as Tour has pointed out. I'm not convinced he's a good coach and I think someone better could get more out of the team. I don't see how the current setup be brought back without any changes at all when we are staring 1-31 or 2-30 in the face over 2 seasons.
I kinda do think they will bring him back. Not sure how I feel about that decision, unless changes are made to his duties as Tour has pointed out. I'm not convinced he's a good coach and I think someone better could get more out of the team. I don't see how the current setup be brought back without any changes at all when we are staring 1-31 or 2-30 in the face over 2 seasons.
Hue is gone. He stinks as a coach.
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It's gone way past borderline. He's probably not allowed within 500 yards of Hogan or be in violation of the restraining order.
At this point, I'm drafting Rosen, there's a lot of time between now and the draft and things can change but I think he's the guy. If McCarron comes here via FA with Hue thats fine too....no problem with having Rosen sit for a couple if AJ can play better than him. The only option that I read here that absolutely cannot under any circumstances, is to stay put with the suckfest combination of QB's we have right now.
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at least u seem to grasp the offensive side of the ball pretty well. ?
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at least u seem to grasp the offensive side of the ball pretty well. ?
McCarron stinks, too. Why waste our time.
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I' sure we will but let's think about other options for a second.
Kirk Cousins will be a free agent more than likely.
Tyrod Taylor will probably be available either by cut or trade.
Teddy Twatwater may be on the block given that Bradford and Keenum are both playing well in that system.
Garapollo may test the market but that' pretty unlikely.
Is there any other options that intrigue anyone? This could be a really strong draft class for QBs but they all have serious red flags. Should we bring in a vet so we can develop a guy say Taylor FA/Jackson 1st pick because their play styles are somewhat similar?
Rosen and Darnald are light years better than Kizer, who is a joke. The bigger joke is Hue Jackson who is as bad as Sashi in evaluating QB talent!!!!!!
Rosen and Darnald are light years better than Kizer, who is a joke. The bigger joke is Hue Jackson who is as bad as Sashi in evaluating QB talent!!!!!!
See we're already setting rosen up to fail before we've even drafted him. Rosen doesnt start next year, period. He's prob the most capable collegiate qb at starting right now, but this is clev so he's not ready
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at least u seem to grasp the offensive side of the ball pretty well. ?
McCarron stinks, too. Why waste our time.
McCarron stinks, too. Why waste our time.
He just had to game manage till we get to rosen.
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Butif theres a choice i prefer mccown or another vet like him
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His love for Hogan is getting borderline stalker.
It's gone way past borderline. He's probably not allowed within 500 yards of Hogan or be in violation of the restraining order.
At this point, I'm drafting Rosen, there's a lot of time between now and the draft and things can change but I think he's the guy. If McCarron comes here via FA with Hue thats fine too....no problem with having Rosen sit for a couple if AJ can play better than him. The only option that I read here that absolutely cannot under any circumstances, is to stay put with the suckfest combination of QB's we have right now.
It's gone way past borderline. He's probably not allowed within 500 yards of Hogan or be in violation of the restraining order.
At this point, I'm drafting Rosen, there's a lot of time between now and the draft and things can change but I think he's the guy. If McCarron comes here via FA with Hue thats fine too....no problem with having Rosen sit for a couple if AJ can play better than him. The only option that I read here that absolutely cannot under any circumstances, is to stay put with the suckfest combination of QB's we have right now.
I watched the USC-UCLA game and thought both QBs will succeed in the NFL. Kizer has no feel for the game at all and no touch on the ball. Rosen and Darnold have much to learn but both actually look likethey have QB talent that can make a go of it at the next level.
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My ideal situation would be to keep the QBs that we have now.
Hogan starts, Kizer backup, Kessler reserve
Draft the best and biggest WR and RB. Barkley and Ridley
Gives us Gordon/Coleman/Ridley at WR with Coates and Company as reserves
Barkley and Duke gives us a potent 1-2 punch at RB
With the 3 second round picks use them to move up and take the best OL specifically LT.
Combine whatever is left to move us back into the first round and take the best CB.
Take the best RB/WR/CB/LT
We have tons of youth, let it develop and sell out to add 4 blue chip players.
Here is proof people out there: There IS someone who could be worse at running this team than Sashi et al.
Here is proof people out there: There IS someone who could be worse at running this team than Sashi et al.
How much worse, really? I'm not kidding if Hogan had been named starter at the beginning of the season gotten all the first round snaps and played in his many games as Kizser would he have improved?
I would have added if Hue Jackson had built an offense around him but I don't think he builds an offense to work toward the strengths of what he has anyway.
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My ideal situation would be to keep the QBs that we have now.
Hogan starts, Kizer backup, Kessler reserve
Draft the best and biggest WR and RB. Barkley and Ridley
Gives us Gordon/Coleman/Ridley at WR with Coates and Company as reserves
Barkley and Duke gives us a potent 1-2 punch at RB
With the 3 second round picks use them to move up and take the best OL specifically LT.
Combine whatever is left to move us back into the first round and take the best CB.
Take the best RB/WR/CB/LT
We have tons of youth, let it develop and sell out to add 4 blue chip players.
Here is proof people out there: There IS someone who could be worse at running this team than Sashi et al.
Here is proof people out there: There IS someone who could be worse at running this team than Sashi et al.
Draft a QB with the first pick. Then take a WR, OL, and 2 DBs with the next four picks in rounds 1 and 2.
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Rosen and Darnald are light years better than Kizer, who is a joke. The bigger joke is Hue Jackson who is as bad as Sashi in evaluating QB talent!!!!!!
See we're already setting rosen up to fail before we've even drafted him. Rosen doesnt start next year, period. He's prob the most capable collegiate qb at starting right now, but this is clev so he's not ready
See we're already setting rosen up to fail before we've even drafted him. Rosen doesnt start next year, period. He's prob the most capable collegiate qb at starting right now, but this is clev so he's not ready
Drop Rosen into this with a couple more skill players and this team turns around overnight. Bring in the depth on D as well and we're set for comeback of the year.
EDIT: Oh, and steal Henry from the Titans so we can make all those short yardage 1st downs. (Just for Tour).
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See we're already setting rosen up to fail before we've even drafted him. Rosen doesnt start next year, period. He's prob the most capable collegiate qb at starting right now, but this is clev so he's not ready
Drop Rosen into this with a couple more skill players and this team turns around overnight. Bring in the depth on D as well and we're set for comeback of the year.
EDIT: Oh, and steal Henry from the Titans so we can make all those short yardage 1st downs. (Just for Tour).
Drop Rosen into this with a couple more skill players and this team turns around overnight. Bring in the depth on D as well and we're set for comeback of the year.
EDIT: Oh, and steal Henry from the Titans so we can make all those short yardage 1st downs. (Just for Tour).
My stomach twists a bit thinking of starting rosen, or sny of them, on day one. Just once i want us to sit a highly sought after qb and not throw him in there out of desperation. Draft a great talent and ease him into the nfl. Im sure rosen will wantbto start day onevbut i dont care what he thinks....this is clev, WE know how things work here. It would make me utterly ill if we TIm couch'd another high talent qb
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Drop Rosen into this with a couple more skill players and this team turns around overnight. Bring in the depth on D as well and we're set for comeback of the year.
EDIT: Oh, and steal Henry from the Titans so we can make all those short yardage 1st downs. (Just for Tour).
My stomach twists a bit thinking of starting rosen, or sny of them, on day one. Just once i want us to sit a highly sought after qb and not throw him in there out of desperation. Draft a great talent and ease him into the nfl. Im sure rosen will wantbto start day onevbut i dont care what he thinks....this is clev, WE know how things work here. It would make me utterly ill if we TIm couch'd another high talent qb
My stomach twists a bit thinking of starting rosen, or sny of them, on day one. Just once i want us to sit a highly sought after qb and not throw him in there out of desperation. Draft a great talent and ease him into the nfl. Im sure rosen will wantbto start day onevbut i dont care what he thinks....this is clev, WE know how things work here. It would make me utterly ill if we TIm couch'd another high talent qb
Yeah but it hasn't seemed to hurt Wentz or Prescott to be starting from day 1. Now I realize that wasn't the plan in either place but its worked out just fine.
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Here is proof people out there: There IS someone who could be worse at running this team than Sashi et al.
How much worse, really? I'm not kidding if Hogan had been named starter at the beginning of the season gotten all the first round snaps and played in his many games as Kizser would he have improved?
I would have added if Hue Jackson had built an offense around him but I don't think he builds an offense to work toward the strengths of what he has anyway.
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How much worse, really? I'm not kidding if Hogan had been named starter at the beginning of the season gotten all the first round snaps and played in his many games as Kizser would he have improved?
I would have added if Hue Jackson had built an offense around him but I don't think he builds an offense to work toward the strengths of what he has anyway.
WSS
Fair statement. How much worse than 0-10 can we be? Except to say that in a number of these games the Browns had chances.....and with Hogan....would they have had absolutely no chance?
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Many of you will laugh at me (no more than usual) but how many games do we win with a guy like Case Keenum? How many do we win if we sign Robert Woods at WR, or trade a 2nd for Watkins to help Keenum and our other guys? Our defense has played well enough a few games to get us a victory, yet when we really needed a score, it never came. Sashi and our front office let us down by not having a veteran qb on our roster. Nobody can tell me Kizer was ready to play this season, but our management couldn't see that. What was the backup plan? Hogan and Kessler? Come on, man. And then we panic at the trade deadline and try to make a bad deal for an unknown commodity but still screw it up? Good lord.
Now I admit it, our defense let us down a few times this year (Colts game IMO), but there's been so many others where we simply couldn't score points. Our qb couldn't see the open man, couldn't make an accurate pass in the end zone, or flat out just sucked. After 6 games, I counted AT LEAST 8 possible touchdown throws Kizer missed. Now granted, this isn't exact and everyone misses throws, but I have to believe even a guy like Keenum makes HALF of those, right? But it's not even making half the TD throws, it's NOT making the turnovers and costing us freaking points. Costing us momentum. Giving our receivers a chance to feel better and gain confidence. Now Imagine Keenum throwing to Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman, Njoku, Devalve, and Duke. I've seen Keenum have near telepathy with Thielen and his crappy receivers. I'd love to see him with an athletic Njoku and Gordon.
Just think how much Kizer is costing us in terms of player development. How many times has he missed Njoku in the end zone or deep in the seam? I realize Njoku has dropped some and missed blocks, but he could easily have 6 tds right now and twice the yardage. What about a guy like Dreggs who is trying to catch on? Kizer hasn't even SEEN this guy streaking down the field several times.
Obviously Keenum isn't an allstar, but he's ten times better than what we've got, and he's just one example of a veteran qb we didn't get. How about Ryan Fitzpatrick? Is he good? No. Is he BETTER than our guys. Yes.
So do we take a QB first? I'll put it to you this way, we're taking one in the first round that's for damn sure. Whether it's first or tenth, we're taking one. Only way we don't is if we trade for an established qb, and that almost never happens. We're taking a QB early, we're bringing in a veteran of some degree, and Kizer will be fighting for his NFL life. Nothing we have is working right now. Kizer is too young to give up on, but accuracy isn't generally something that "comes along". Not to the degree it needs to for Kizer.
Many of you will laugh at me (no more than usual) but how many games do we win with a guy like Case Keenum? How many do we win if we sign Robert Woods at WR, or trade a 2nd for Watkins to help Keenum and our other guys? Our defense has played well enough a few games to get us a victory, yet when we really needed a score, it never came. Sashi and our front office let us down by not having a veteran qb on our roster. Nobody can tell me Kizer was ready to play this season, but our management couldn't see that. What was the backup plan? Hogan and Kessler? Come on, man. And then we panic at the trade deadline and try to make a bad deal for an unknown commodity but still screw it up? Good lord.
Last first... the backup plan was/is the 2018 #1 overall pick. Can't say that it was the original plan, but it sure as hell is clearly the plan now.
Nest... not laughing... We'd probably have won the 4-6 games many originally predicted with Keenum, the Keenum that has emerged with the Vikes, running our Offense. Add Woods? Maybe 5-6?
None of know the story of the QB room. Did Hue vouch for Kessler? We weren't going to invest a roster spot in McC at the cost of developing young QBs, so we offered McC a QB Coaching job... one he'll likely take somewhere someday, but one he was not ready to take this season... and he chose wisely. But McC is not Keenum... and we did not win with him last season... so personally I'd not push him as a savior from our horrible circumstance.
Kizer? He was ready in this sense. He met the minimum requirements. He learned the playbook. He mastered the huddle. He learned how to go under center. Everything else was advanced study, OJT... and in some areas he gets passing grades... in some he's improved, but still failing... and in others he's made no progress.
And we cannot forget the disappointment that was Kessler's camp. He went in as our #1... and shat down his leg. He is as responsible for Kizer being pressed into action at least a half season early as anyone...
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I'd love Cousins and a trade down from 1 overall. Beautiful.
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Lets be real, no free agent quarterback that will make a difference will even consider coming here. Ive been saying it for years, we have to take the best quarterback available to us with our first pick. Over thinking this has been the #1 problem with this team since Couch. If you dont have a quarterback, you pick the best one, every damn year if you have to. Hell draft 5 of em.
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Many of you will laugh at me (no more than usual) but how many games do we win with a guy like Case Keenum? How many do we win if we sign Robert Woods at WR, or trade a 2nd for Watkins to help Keenum and our other guys? Our defense has played well enough a few games to get us a victory, yet when we really needed a score, it never came. Sashi and our front office let us down by not having a veteran qb on our roster. Nobody can tell me Kizer was ready to play this season, but our management couldn't see that. What was the backup plan? Hogan and Kessler? Come on, man. And then we panic at the trade deadline and try to make a bad deal for an unknown commodity but still screw it up? Good lord.
Last first... the backup plan was/is the 2018 #1 overall pick. Can't say that it was the original plan, but it sure as hell is clearly the plan now.
Nest... not laughing... We'd probably have won the 4-6 games many originally predicted with Keenum, the Keenum that has emerged with the Vikes, running our Offense. Add Woods? Maybe 5-6?
None of know the story of the QB room. Did Hue vouch for Kessler? We weren't going to invest a roster spot in McC at the cost of developing young QBs, so we offered McC a QB Coaching job... one he'll likely take somewhere someday, but one he was not ready to take this season... and he chose wisely. But McC is not Keenum... and we did not win with him last season... so personally I'd not push him as a savior from our horrible circumstance.
Kizer? He was ready in this sense. He met the minimum requirements. He learned the playbook. He mastered the huddle. He learned how to go under center. Everything else was advanced study, OJT... and in some areas he gets passing grades... in some he's improved, but still failing... and in others he's made no progress.
And we cannot forget the disappointment that was Kessler's camp. He went in as our #1... and shat down his leg. He is as responsible for Kizer being pressed into action at least a half season early as anyone...
Last first... the backup plan was/is the 2018 #1 overall pick. Can't say that it was the original plan, but it sure as hell is clearly the plan now.
Nest... not laughing... We'd probably have won the 4-6 games many originally predicted with Keenum, the Keenum that has emerged with the Vikes, running our Offense. Add Woods? Maybe 5-6?
None of know the story of the QB room. Did Hue vouch for Kessler? We weren't going to invest a roster spot in McC at the cost of developing young QBs, so we offered McC a QB Coaching job... one he'll likely take somewhere someday, but one he was not ready to take this season... and he chose wisely. But McC is not Keenum... and we did not win with him last season... so personally I'd not push him as a savior from our horrible circumstance.
Kizer? He was ready in this sense. He met the minimum requirements. He learned the playbook. He mastered the huddle. He learned how to go under center. Everything else was advanced study, OJT... and in some areas he gets passing grades... in some he's improved, but still failing... and in others he's made no progress.
And we cannot forget the disappointment that was Kessler's camp. He went in as our #1... and shat down his leg. He is as responsible for Kizer being pressed into action at least a half season early as anyone...
In my humble opinion, Cody Kessler never came back right from his last concussion in 2016. He just wasn't ever the same, at least to me. When you look at some of his good performances last year, and there were a couple, you noticed that he was excellent "under pressure", he didn't turn the ball over, and he got the ball out quickly and accurately. After that concussion, we never really saw that Cody again. Granted, Cody's best games generally came with a stellar rushing attack, and that helps just about ANY QB, but he's been a shadow of that guy we saw a few times, and I wonder if he simply got rattled. I guess this demonstrates my point about not having a veteran on the roster. Perhaps having a veteran would've helped Cody somewhat, or at the very least, a veteran MIGHT have stabilized our QB position...if only a little bit. Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe Keenum is making like $1 or $2 mill a year? It's not like money would've been an issue, and it's not like Keenum is producing his numbers with stellar WR's. Are they better than ours? Of course, ANYBODY'S are better, but they aren't annual all-stars either.
Kizer doesn't appear to be consistently improving, and I think that's what concerns me the most. Even during the course of a game, he doesn't learn from his mistakes. For example, Kizer first pass was an interception. He didn't even look to see the linebacker's position...he merely assumed he wouldn't be there. Probably because that play was open every time in practice. But the MORE concerning issue is Kizer did the exact same thing later in the game, and that pass SHOULD'VE been picked for a TD. I believe it was slightly deflected in the air, which caused it to be a little late. Anyway, he made the same mistake and it's troublesome he didn't learn from it.
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