Our D
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OK,...but compare their offenses. That is where the big difference is on that team.
Yep..they fired their inept head coach and brought in someone who can make a difference. Something the Browns should consider doing.
Yep..they fired their inept head coach and brought in someone who can make a difference. Something the Browns should consider doing.
Ok ur not entirely without a point dude. But did u digest at allwhat gip said? They have a serious fukking running game and jared goff is on par with wentz now. That offense makes opponents offenses have to play differently. If goff gets out in front of teams quick what do u think the opposing teams have to do? Run the clock out as much as possible with a bunch of short up the middle runs? No....they have to pass. This forces their hand and the rams def benefits
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Yep..they fired their inept head coach and brought in someone who can make a difference. Something the Browns should consider doing.
Ok ur not entirely without a point dude. But did u digest at allwhat gip said? They have a serious fukking running game and jared goff is on par with wentz now. That offense makes opponents offenses have to play differently. If goff gets out in front of teams quick what do u think the opposing teams have to do? Run the clock out as much as possible with a bunch of short up the middle runs? No....they have to pass. This forces their hand and the rams def benefits
Ok ur not entirely without a point dude. But did u digest at allwhat gip said? They have a serious fukking running game and jared goff is on par with wentz now. That offense makes opponents offenses have to play differently. If goff gets out in front of teams quick what do u think the opposing teams have to do? Run the clock out as much as possible with a bunch of short up the middle runs? No....they have to pass. This forces their hand and the rams def benefits
Great...and what changed? Goff looked like a total bust last season...they fired their coaching staff including your boy Williams. You can't discount the improvements when the majority of the team stayed the same and the coaching staff changed. Goff and Gurley were on that 4-12 team last season, now they're 8-3. What changed for them? Could it be a better coaching staff?
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2016 Rams-9th in total D
2017 Rams-17th in total D
Don’t tangle with me.
Bout what I expected.
Yep, figures you are one of those yardage stat dweebs.
There's a coach that used to coach the Browns - probably before you were hatched, who now coaches in New England and has repeatedly stated that the only stat he considers relevant is of course wins and losses, but when pressed further he has said that points scored and points allowed are the only stats he considers relevant, so I guess I'll hang with him.... bout what you expected?
There's a coach that used to coach the Browns - probably before you were hatched, who now coaches in New England and has repeatedly stated that the only stat he considers relevant is of course wins and losses, but when pressed further he has said that points scored and points allowed are the only stats he considers relevant, so I guess I'll hang with him.... bout what you expected?
That coach is going nowhere, surely he's a loser and isn't going to get a ring in his entire life...
I can't add pink ink when posting with my mobile.
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Ok ur not entirely without a point dude. But did u digest at allwhat gip said? They have a serious fukking running game and jared goff is on par with wentz now. That offense makes opponents offenses have to play differently. If goff gets out in front of teams quick what do u think the opposing teams have to do? Run the clock out as much as possible with a bunch of short up the middle runs? No....they have to pass. This forces their hand and the rams def benefits
Great...and what changed? Goff looked like a total bust last season...they fired their coaching staff including your boy Williams. You can't discount the improvements when the majority of the team stayed the same and the coaching staff changed. Goff and Gurley were on that 4-12 team last season, now they're 8-3. What changed for them? Could it be a better coaching staff?
Great...and what changed? Goff looked like a total bust last season...they fired their coaching staff including your boy Williams. You can't discount the improvements when the majority of the team stayed the same and the coaching staff changed. Goff and Gurley were on that 4-12 team last season, now they're 8-3. What changed for them? Could it be a better coaching staff?
Offensively speaking u prob have a point. But we cant know for sure exactlywhat the catalyst is/was. Is goff just matured now and it doesn't matter who the coach is? Or was there some major offensive scheme change? Or did the FO get in a better o line and thats why goff is playing better? So on that thought......go look up the rams ranking on sacks allowed last year vs where they are this year. Maybe tour can tell us if thats a major personnel overhaul and/or blocking scheme change with the same guys. "Something" obviously has clicked with that o line. Compare the 2016 with the 2017 teams. In 16 theres only one o line worse than the rams.......one guess is all u get
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Ok ur not entirely without a point dude. But did u digest at allwhat gip said? They have a serious fukking running game and jared goff is on par with wentz now. That offense makes opponents offenses have to play differently. If goff gets out in front of teams quick what do u think the opposing teams have to do? Run the clock out as much as possible with a bunch of short up the middle runs? No....they have to pass. This forces their hand and the rams def benefits
Great...and what changed? Goff looked like a total bust last season...they fired their coaching staff including your boy Williams. You can't discount the improvements when the majority of the team stayed the same and the coaching staff changed. Goff and Gurley were on that 4-12 team last season, now they're 8-3. What changed for them? Could it be a better coaching staff?
Great...and what changed? Goff looked like a total bust last season...they fired their coaching staff including your boy Williams. You can't discount the improvements when the majority of the team stayed the same and the coaching staff changed. Goff and Gurley were on that 4-12 team last season, now they're 8-3. What changed for them? Could it be a better coaching staff?
Did it in one season too. No need for them to go 1-40 first
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When we were down 7 with a few minutes left and our defense got a stop only to get screwed by the refs.
And even after the shitty call. Cincinatti had the ball at the 25 yard line. How did our defense step up after a bad call?
1-10-CLV 25 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green (J.McCourty).
2-10-CLV 25 (3:48) J.Mixon right guard to CLV 11 for 14 yards (J.Peppers). R22
1-10-CLV 11 (3:02) J.Mixon left end for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Damn...that's stepping up. 25 yards in two running plays. Looked more like swiss cheese than stepping up. But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
And even after the shitty call. Cincinatti had the ball at the 25 yard line. How did our defense step up after a bad call?
1-10-CLV 25 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green (J.McCourty).
2-10-CLV 25 (3:48) J.Mixon right guard to CLV 11 for 14 yards (J.Peppers). R22
1-10-CLV 11 (3:02) J.Mixon left end for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Damn...that's stepping up. 25 yards in two running plays. Looked more like swiss cheese than stepping up. But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
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The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
Well maybe if we had more depth that wasn't practice squad quality.
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When we were down 7 with a few minutes left and our defense got a stop only to get screwed by the refs.
And even after the shitty call. Cincinatti had the ball at the 25 yard line. How did our defense step up after a bad call?
1-10-CLV 25 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green (J.McCourty).
2-10-CLV 25 (3:48) J.Mixon right guard to CLV 11 for 14 yards (J.Peppers). R22
1-10-CLV 11 (3:02) J.Mixon left end for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Damn...that's stepping up. 25 yards in two running plays. Looked more like swiss cheese than stepping up. But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
And even after the shitty call. Cincinatti had the ball at the 25 yard line. How did our defense step up after a bad call?
1-10-CLV 25 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green (J.McCourty).
2-10-CLV 25 (3:48) J.Mixon right guard to CLV 11 for 14 yards (J.Peppers). R22
1-10-CLV 11 (3:02) J.Mixon left end for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Damn...that's stepping up. 25 yards in two running plays. Looked more like swiss cheese than stepping up. But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
That's what often happens in those heartbreak situations. Buckeyes won a national championship because of a situation like that.
Yep, figures you are one of those yardage stat dweebs.
There's a coach that used to coach the Browns - probably before you were hatched, who now coaches in New England and has repeatedly stated that the only stat he considers relevant is of course wins and losses, but when pressed further he has said that points scored and points allowed are the only stats he considers relevant, so I guess I'll hang with him.... bout what you expected?
Who's the Belichick we need to hire? That's right, you don't know.
2016 Rams 4-12 Last Place
2017 Rams 8-3 First Place
New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
They replaced him with one of the best defensive coordinators in the history of the league. You have no idea who you want to hire, so stop citing the Rams. Such a stupid comparison.
By your logic a team could win every game 51-48 and you'd say it's the best defense in the league. These arguments are pointless.
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And even after the shitty call. Cincinatti had the ball at the 25 yard line. How did our defense step up after a bad call?
1-10-CLV 25 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green (J.McCourty).
2-10-CLV 25 (3:48) J.Mixon right guard to CLV 11 for 14 yards (J.Peppers). R22
1-10-CLV 11 (3:02) J.Mixon left end for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Damn...that's stepping up. 25 yards in two running plays. Looked more like swiss cheese than stepping up. But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
That's what often happens in those heartbreak situations. Buckeyes won a national championship because of a situation like that.
Yep, figures you are one of those yardage stat dweebs.
There's a coach that used to coach the Browns - probably before you were hatched, who now coaches in New England and has repeatedly stated that the only stat he considers relevant is of course wins and losses, but when pressed further he has said that points scored and points allowed are the only stats he considers relevant, so I guess I'll hang with him.... bout what you expected?
Who's the Belichick we need to hire? That's right, you don't know.
2016 Rams 4-12 Last Place
2017 Rams 8-3 First Place
New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
They replaced him with one of the best defensive coordinators in the history of the league. You have no idea who you want to hire, so stop citing the Rams. Such a stupid comparison.
By your logic a team could win every game 51-48 and you'd say it's the best defense in the league. These arguments are pointless.
Who's the Belichick we need to hire? That's right, you don't know.
They replaced him with one of the best defensive coordinators in the history of the league. You have no idea who you want to hire, so stop citing the Rams. Such a stupid comparison.
By your logic a team could win every game 51-48 and you'd say it's the best defense in the league. These arguments are pointless.
And yet you want to stay the course with the guys who have led us to 1-26. Who's the next Belichik? I don't know...but I can be pretty damn sure he ain't on this staff right now.
They also replaced the guy that some here are telling me is the greatest defensive coach ever and we can't afford to fire a lousy HC because we might lose the DC that the Rams replaced.
By my logic...a team could win every game 51-48 and no one would care how bad the defense was...you know why? We'd be 11-0 dipshit and in first place and on our way to home field throughout the playoffs.
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I am on board with letting the entire coaching chain go. While I would love to see this defense have continuity, give 3G a second year and more new talent (including a FS and coverage LB); it is not a good reason to keep a HC. I would ABSOLUTELY avoid going back to 3-4 with current personnel though, so hope whomever they hire will keep that in place.
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2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game
2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game
Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last..........................
2016 Rams-9th in total D
2017 Rams-17th in total D
Don’t tangle with me.
Points allowed is all I look for.....
Bout what I expected.
Bout what I expected.
Hey... at least points a a step in the micro direction from W/L... We have to encourage these #BabySteps...
Maybe. I don’t know what a codger is.
i know this. My memory goes back to Johnson, Kanicki, Houston, Beach , Parish, Fiss Kellerman, and others.
It's said in jest...
But your mentioning Kanicki and not Sherk does have me concerned....
Yeah. I like Schobert. I think the LBs aren't that good covering, don't you think so? Or maybe it is because they don't have a lot of help by the safeties/cornerbacks in the underneath zone...
Joe showed some early ability to take a deep drop... had a couple tipped balls, but has shown no man ability. But more than him, it's Kirk's poor pass D that has me perplexed. Seemed to me he was our "cover ILB" back in his 3-4 days paired with Dansby.
But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
Just stop... no one "enjoys" the losses. Just that some of us can see beyond them and take a measure of solace in that.
Your inability/unwillingness to do so is not our problem.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
2016 Rams-9th in total D
2017 Rams-17th in total D
2016 Rams 4-12 Last Place
2017 Rams 8-3 First Place
New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a fucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
In determining who makes the playoffs? Have to hand to you and your keen insight.... it's W/L.
In determining team progress, strengths and deficiencies? Pretty sure W/L don't cut it...
OK,...but compare their offenses. That is where the big difference is on that team.
Bingo for Gippo...
- 2016 Rams O: 32nd in points and Yards
- 2017 Rams O: 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
I don't think there's any debate that McVea has been the reason their O and Goff have emerged.
Also noteworthy is the near autonomy that McV has given Wade Phillips, a/k/a, "the Defense Doctor", who has raised Defenses from the dead time and time again in his NFL career. By comparison to past assignments this lift has been easy for him. Also look at Denver's D one year removed from Wade.
Did it in one season too. No need for them to go 1-40 first
lol... Look back at their prior 12 years of futility, languishing below .500, only achieving it twice offset by twice dipping to 2-14 over that span and get back to me.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Maybe. I don’t know what a codger is.
i know this. My memory goes back to Johnson, Kanicki, Houston, Beach , Parish, Fiss Kellerman, and others.
i know that in 1999 I bought 12 PSL’s and my buddies bought their season ticket from me. i’m down to 2. Myself and my son. He drives in from Milwaukee to sit with me every game.
I know this. Frank Minnifield is the best CB that I’ve ever seen play the game.
i know this. This defense is awful.
I know this. This is not an emotional response, but one based on my observations.
I know this. This is a lot of typing for an old codger (whatever that is)
Codger Roach...is just a way to say that you are a cranky old motherfuhucker.
Now...tell us if there is any inaccuracies in that statement?
Codger Roach...is just a way to say that you are a cranky old motherfuhucker.
Now...tell us if there is any inaccuracies in that statement?
I’ve been watching crappy defenses since 1999. Yes. I guess that makes me a cranky old motherfuhucker.
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New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
In determining who makes the playoffs? Have to hand to you and your keen insight.... it's W/L.
In determining team progress, strengths and deficiencies? Pretty sure W/L don't cut it...
OK,...but compare their offenses. That is where the big difference is on that team.
Bingo for Gippo...
- 2016 Rams O: 32nd in points and Yards
- 2017 Rams O: 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
I don't think there's any debate that McVea has been the reason their O and Goff have emerged.
Also noteworthy is the near autonomy that McV has given Wade Phillips, a/k/a, "the Defense Doctor", who has raised Defenses from the dead time and time again in his NFL career. By comparison to past assignments this lift has been easy for him. Also look at Denver's D one year removed from Wade.
Did it in one season too. No need for them to go 1-40 first
lol... Look back at their prior 12 years of futility, languishing below .500, only achieving it twice offset by twice dipping to 2-14 over that span and get back to me.
In determining who makes the playoffs? Have to hand to you and your keen insight.... it's W/L.
In determining team progress, strengths and deficiencies? Pretty sure W/L don't cut it...
Bingo for Gippo...
- 2016 Rams O: 32nd in points and Yards
- 2017 Rams O: 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
I don't think there's any debate that McVea has been the reason their O and Goff have emerged.
Also noteworthy is the near autonomy that McV has given Wade Phillips, a/k/a, "the Defense Doctor", who has raised Defenses from the dead time and time again in his NFL career. By comparison to past assignments this lift has been easy for him. Also look at Denver's D one year removed from Wade.
lol... Look back at their prior 12 years of futility, languishing below .500, only achieving it twice offset by twice dipping to 2-14 over that span and get back to me.
12 years of futility? What a bunch of short sighted pussies.
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Bout what I expected.
Hey... at least points a a step in the micro direction from W/L... We have to encourage these #BabySteps...
Maybe. I don’t know what a codger is.
i know this. My memory goes back to Johnson, Kanicki, Houston, Beach , Parish, Fiss Kellerman, and others.
It's said in jest...
But your mentioning Kanicki and not Sherk does have me concerned....
Yeah. I like Schobert. I think the LBs aren't that good covering, don't you think so? Or maybe it is because they don't have a lot of help by the safeties/cornerbacks in the underneath zone...
Joe showed some early ability to take a deep drop... had a couple tipped balls, but has shown no man ability. But more than him, it's Kirk's poor pass D that has me perplexed. Seemed to me he was our "cover ILB" back in his 3-4 days paired with Dansby.
But some of you enjoy the losses and think its positive to be 0-11 and 1-26 and 4-44 and our head coach is like 2-30 in his last 32 games.
Just stop... no one "enjoys" the losses. Just that some of us can see beyond them and take a measure of solace in that.
Your inability/unwillingness to do so is not our problem.
Just stop... no one "enjoys" the losses. Just that some of us can see beyond them and take a measure of solace in that.
Your inability/unwillingness to do so is not our problem.
I think some here actually do enjoy the losses. There isn't much growth at 1-26 and staring 1-31 in the face. That's an unprecedented amount of losing. Trusting the process is one thing and I was in support of it until, from what I can see, the team isn't any better this year than last year. Some parts are better...other parts are worse and some just weren't very good to begin with in either season. The "trust the process" only works when there's improvement. So far that process has the team right back at 0-11 just like last season.
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Who's the Belichick we need to hire? That's right, you don't know.
They replaced him with one of the best defensive coordinators in the history of the league. You have no idea who you want to hire, so stop citing the Rams. Such a stupid comparison.
By your logic a team could win every game 51-48 and you'd say it's the best defense in the league. These arguments are pointless.
And yet you want to stay the course with the guys who have led us to 1-26. Who's the next Belichik? I don't know...but I can be pretty damn sure he ain't on this staff right now.
They also replaced the guy that some here are telling me is the greatest defensive coach ever and we can't afford to fire a lousy HC because we might lose the DC that the Rams replaced.
By my logic...a team could win every game 51-48 and no one would care how bad the defense was...you know why? We'd be 11-0 dipshit and in first place and on our way to home field throughout the playoffs.
And yet you want to stay the course with the guys who have led us to 1-26. Who's the next Belichik? I don't know...but I can be pretty damn sure he ain't on this staff right now.
They also replaced the guy that some here are telling me is the greatest defensive coach ever and we can't afford to fire a lousy HC because we might lose the DC that the Rams replaced.
By my logic...a team could win every game 51-48 and no one would care how bad the defense was...you know why? We'd be 11-0 dipshit and in first place and on our way to home field throughout the playoffs.
I'm pretty sure he's not either. We could win a Super Bowl and still be pretty sure the next Belichick is not on our staff. Who cares?
Find me ONE person here that has said Greg Williams is better than Wade Phillips? I'll wait.
The point completely went over your head.
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New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
In determining who makes the playoffs? Have to hand to you and your keen insight.... it's W/L.
In determining team progress, strengths and deficiencies? Pretty sure W/L don't cut it...
OK,...but compare their offenses. That is where the big difference is on that team.
Bingo for Gippo...
- 2016 Rams O: 32nd in points and Yards
- 2017 Rams O: 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
I don't think there's any debate that McVea has been the reason their O and Goff have emerged.
Also noteworthy is the near autonomy that McV has given Wade Phillips, a/k/a, "the Defense Doctor", who has raised Defenses from the dead time and time again in his NFL career. By comparison to past assignments this lift has been easy for him. Also look at Denver's D one year removed from Wade.
Did it in one season too. No need for them to go 1-40 first
lol... Look back at their prior 12 years of futility, languishing below .500, only achieving it twice offset by twice dipping to 2-14 over that span and get back to me.
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The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
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The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
Don't underestimate the importance of depth with Meder either. Makes a difference late in games. Collins goes without saying.
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