Our D
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New head coach...new defensive coordinator (got rid of the guys some of you are blowing around here as a Shmucking saint).
Which stats are more important? Your worthless total defense stat or the standings and wins and losses, you know those things they count to determine who makes the playoffs?
In determining who makes the playoffs? Have to hand to you and your keen insight.... it's W/L.
In determining team progress, strengths and deficiencies? Pretty sure W/L don't cut it...
OK,...but compare their offenses. That is where the big difference is on that team.
Bingo for Gippo...
- 2016 Rams O: 32nd in points and Yards
- 2017 Rams O: 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
I don't think there's any debate that McVea has been the reason their O and Goff have emerged.
Also noteworthy is the near autonomy that McV has given Wade Phillips, a/k/a, "the Defense Doctor", who has raised Defenses from the dead time and time again in his NFL career. By comparison to past assignments this lift has been easy for him. Also look at Denver's D one year removed from Wade.
Did it in one season too. No need for them to go 1-40 first
lol... Look back at their prior 12 years of futility, languishing below .500, only achieving it twice offset by twice dipping to 2-14 over that span and get back to me.
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The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
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The D wasn't good against the run because that's the result of the loss of Ogbah. He can't step up.. he broke his foot.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
Ogbah loss hurt WAY more than people thought. Really goes to show how good a season he was having.
Don't underestimate the importance of depth with Meder either. Makes a difference late in games. Collins goes without saying.
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Just stop... no one "enjoys" the losses. Just that some of us can see beyond them and take a measure of solace in that.
Your inability/unwillingness to do so is not our problem.
I think some here actually do enjoy the losses. There isn't much growth at 1-26 and staring 1-31 in the face. That's an unprecedented amount of losing. Trusting the process is one thing and I was in support of it until, from what I can see, the team isn't any better this year than last year. Some parts are better...other parts are worse and some just weren't very good to begin with in either season. The "trust the process" only works when there's improvement. So far that process has the team right back at 0-11 just like last season.
... from what I can see, the team isn't any better this year than last year. Some parts are better...other parts are worse and some just weren't very good to begin with in either season. The "trust the process" only works when there's improvement. So far that process has the team right back at 0-11 just like last season.
Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
You mean the years right after they won a SB? Right? Nuff said
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
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This defense goes on and off way too many times.
This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game.
This defense goes on and off way too many times.
This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game.
I think we will find out just how valuable Ogbah has been for this defense. When a young defense that lacks depth loses the NFLs best DE against the run it’s gonna hurt.
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And the browns defense would allow a lot fewer points....if they were playing with the rams offense and not getting shafted with constant red zone turn overs.
Yep, and that would fall under No Schit Sherlock...... but the bottom line is our record during The Process is a historically pathetic 1-26 overall, and an equally wimpy 0-11 this year.
^ Boy, those awesome "yardage allowed" and "total defense" stats sure are impressive and totally makes that all worth while..... right?
Baby Steps
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... from what I can see, the team isn't any better this year than last year. Some parts are better...other parts are worse and some just weren't very good to begin with in either season. The "trust the process" only works when there's improvement. So far that process has the team right back at 0-11 just like last season.
Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
You mean the years right after they won a SB? Right? Nuff said
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
I'd like to see some wins....that's the ultimate mark of improvement. Winning a few games. OL is better. LB I don't think they're any better. McCourty is an upgrade over Haden (and whoever is replacement was since he was hurt all the time) I'm not sure we have safeties on the team.
ST is worse because Gonzalez can't make a FG or XP. Seems like that is an important job for the kicker. Colquitt is good but he was good last year too.
A better QB and a better HC would have this team winning a few games. Can Hue....leave the FO alone and find a QB, a RB and a WR and hope that Gordon and Coleman can stay on the field.
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Leave the FO alone? The guys that "most likely" were the culprits for getting rid of mccown? Get right the fuk out mark. I almost guarantee hue told them kizer will need dev time, so the FO gave him brick osweiler as the stop gap cause they didnt want to pay an aging vet like mccown.
If im wrong about that, and it was hues call to ditch mccown knowing he has a raw qb who's own college coach publically said needs anither year in college........yeah fire hue.
ive stated multiple times all parties involved in ditching a vet qb who publically stated he'd like nothing more than to mentor a young qb, those people needed to be scrubbed out like that mineral deposit that builds at the bottom of ur shytter. We'll never know now what could have been had kizer backed up mccown this year.
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Leave the FO alone? The guys that "most likely" were the culprits for getting rid of mccown? Get right the fuk out mark. I almost guarantee hue told them kizer will need dev time, so the FO gave him brick osweiler as the stop gap cause they didnt want to pay an aging vet like mccown.
If im wrong about that, and it was hues call to ditch mccown knowing he has a raw qb who's own college coach publically said needs anither year in college........yeah fire hue.
ive stated multiple times all parties involved in ditching a vet qb who publically stated he'd like nothing more than to mentor a young qb, those people needed to be scrubbed out like that mineral deposit that builds at the bottom of ur shytter. We'll never know now what could have been had kizer backed up mccown this year.
Leave the FO alone? The guys that "most likely" were the culprits for getting rid of mccown? Get right the fuk out mark. I almost guarantee hue told them kizer will need dev time, so the FO gave him brick osweiler as the stop gap cause they didnt want to pay an aging vet like mccown.
If im wrong about that, and it was hues call to ditch mccown knowing he has a raw qb who's own college coach publically said needs anither year in college........yeah fire hue.
ive stated multiple times all parties involved in ditching a vet qb who publically stated he'd like nothing more than to mentor a young qb, those people needed to be scrubbed out like that mineral deposit that builds at the bottom of ur shytter. We'll never know now what could have been had kizer backed up mccown this year.
I don't believe in completely cleaning house but if this team goes 1-15 or worse this year, someone has to take the fall. It's an unprecedented level of losing that can't keep everyone employed. Either the front office has to go or the HC and from where I sit....the HC also isn't getting any better at his job than he was last year. Same bizarre playcalling, zero clock management skills, etc etc. And as Tour pointed out...McCown was offered a coaching position, he still wanted to play so we parted ways. Who after watching him play last year would've believed that he could stay healthy for 11 straight games? Anyone who says they saw that coming is lying.
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He didnt need to play this whole season, just start. And when kizer faulted later in the season he could come in and out as needed. And if u go back to the offseason u see alot of us were "very" concerned about the loss of mccown..myself included. When we got osweiler i was like ok, that might be the stopgap we need but theres "concerns". It took like 2 games into preseason for those fears to be validated.
did i predict he would go to the jets and be a top 10 qb? No. But i knew with a project like kizer coming in it was "crucial" to have a vet ready to step in. That the FO allowed this team to go into the season with kizer, kessler and hogan.....is grounds for dismissal.
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If huevwas cool with that situation, he should be gone. But if he wanted to keep mccown but the FO was like nahhh we made a sweet deal for brock osweiler......than cmon, this bullshyt this season is on the FO
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He didnt need to play this whole season, just start. And when kizer faulted later in the season he could come in and out as needed. And if u go back to the offseason u see alot of us were "very" concerned about the loss of mccown..myself included. When we got osweiler i was like ok, that might be the stopgap we need but theres "concerns". It took like 2 games into preseason for those fears to be validated.
did i predict he would go to the jets and be a top 10 qb? No. But i knew with a project like kizer coming in it was "crucial" to have a vet ready to step in. That the FO allowed this team to go into the season with kizer, kessler and hogan.....is grounds for dismissal.
did i predict he would go to the jets and be a top 10 qb? No. But i knew with a project like kizer coming in it was "crucial" to have a vet ready to step in. That the FO allowed this team to go into the season with kizer, kessler and hogan.....is grounds for dismissal.
Careful...you'll lose your place in Tour's "trust the process" support group.
BTW....Tour...Thanks so much for the flag!!
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did i predict he would go to the jets and be a top 10 qb? No. But i knew with a project like kizer coming in it was "crucial" to have a vet ready to step in. That the FO allowed this team to go into the season with kizer, kessler and hogan.....is grounds for dismissal.
Careful...you'll lose your place in Tour's "trust the process" support group.
BTW....Tour...Thanks so much for the flag!!
Careful...you'll lose your place in Tour's "trust the process" support group.
BTW....Tour...Thanks so much for the flag!!
I trust the process. But canning a vet like mccown when u've got a project coming in......i mean maybe hue told em kesslers good to go, i dont know. That shyt needs fleshed out and if i was jimmy that would be my biggest question. Oh and who brought britt in.....they have to go
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Careful...you'll lose your place in Tour's "trust the process" support group.
BTW....Tour...Thanks so much for the flag!!
I trust the process. But canning a vet like mccown when u've got a project coming in......i mean maybe hue told em kesslers good to go, i dont know. That shyt needs fleshed out and if i was jimmy that would be my biggest question. Oh and who brought britt in.....they have to go
I trust the process. But canning a vet like mccown when u've got a project coming in......i mean maybe hue told em kesslers good to go, i dont know. That shyt needs fleshed out and if i was jimmy that would be my biggest question. Oh and who brought britt in.....they have to go
So you don't trust the process. Hue likes Kessler. The FO brought in Britt and probably it was a joint decision between the FO and Hue about McCown. Can't trust him to stay healthy beyond one drive in game one so let's get him here as a coach. McCown wants to try and still play (can't blame him...playing days end quickly) so he goes elsewhere. It's hard to blame anyone in that scenario. McCown has been typically so fragile....keeping him to play QB while Kizer sits could last about 1 quarter of one game.
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the OL is Sheet. our run game is Sheet.
i could MAYBE name 5 guys that would make it onto another team's starting squad and i'd have to think about it quite a lot (like i give a Shmuck.............BOYCOTT!!!!)
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I trust the process. But canning a vet like mccown when u've got a project coming in......i mean maybe hue told em kesslers good to go, i dont know. That shyt needs fleshed out and if i was jimmy that would be my biggest question. Oh and who brought britt in.....they have to go
So you don't trust the process. Hue likes Kessler. The FO brought in Britt and probably it was a joint decision between the FO and Hue about McCown. Can't trust him to stay healthy beyond one drive in game one so let's get him here as a coach. McCown wants to try and still play (can't blame him...playing days end quickly) so he goes elsewhere. It's hard to blame anyone in that scenario. McCown has been typically so fragile....keeping him to play QB while Kizer sits could last about 1 quarter of one game.
keeping him to play QB while Kizer sits could last about 1 quarter of one game.
A fair concern but at the same time couldnt be helped. U simply cannot hand the reigns of a franchise to a oroject like kizer. No matter how dreamy his throws look.....and they do look dreamy, love that kids arm. But is he perma damaged now? And what now of next year? Id live me some rosen but id rather see mcciwn cone back and rosen sit even if he is mire nfl ready than kizer was. How many times does clev have to sit through a fresh noob being thrown in on day 1?
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keeping him to play QB while Kizer sits could last about 1 quarter of one game.
A fair concern but at the same time couldnt be helped. U simply cannot hand the reigns of a franchise to a oroject like kizer. No matter how dreamy his throws look.....and they do look dreamy, love that kids arm. But is he perma damaged now? And what now of next year? Id live me some rosen but id rather see mcciwn cone back and rosen sit even if he is mire nfl ready than kizer was. How many times does clev have to sit through a fresh noob being thrown in on day 1?
A fair concern but at the same time couldnt be helped. U simply cannot hand the reigns of a franchise to a oroject like kizer. No matter how dreamy his throws look.....and they do look dreamy, love that kids arm. But is he perma damaged now? And what now of next year? Id live me some rosen but id rather see mcciwn cone back and rosen sit even if he is mire nfl ready than kizer was. How many times does clev have to sit through a fresh noob being thrown in on day 1?
Getting thrown in day 1 worked out pretty well for the Eagles and the guy some here post about over and over and over and over and over and over and over. No question, Kizer was not ready to be thrown in day 1 but he was the best we had at that time and he's still the best we have.
Who knows what next year will bring.
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A fair concern but at the same time couldnt be helped. U simply cannot hand the reigns of a franchise to a oroject like kizer. No matter how dreamy his throws look.....and they do look dreamy, love that kids arm. But is he perma damaged now? And what now of next year? Id live me some rosen but id rather see mcciwn cone back and rosen sit even if he is mire nfl ready than kizer was. How many times does clev have to sit through a fresh noob being thrown in on day 1?
Getting thrown in day 1 worked out pretty well for the Eagles and the guy some here post about over and over and over and over and over and over and over. No question, Kizer was not ready to be thrown in day 1 but he was the best we had at that time and he's still the best we have.
Who knows what next year will bring.
Getting thrown in day 1 worked out pretty well for the Eagles
Was that the cleveland eagles?
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Was that the cleveland eagles?
In hindsight.....I wish we had the guy they had. Despite Carl Hogan stalker(PoG) telling us the Eagles suck.
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