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Vita Vea and Danny Shelton would be a more talented Siragusa and Adams.

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  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #1

    Both Washington Huskies. Prospects like Vea are VERY rare.  Take him, no one's running up the middle and the pocket push would be relentless.  Constant double-teams freeing up the linebackers to stuff the run and allowing the edge rushers to get to the QB.  Nothing worse than a defense that's soft up the middle.  Vea and Shelton in 2018.

  • S SD_Tom wrote on
    #2

    The guy that stood out when I watched a few pac12 games was hercules mataafa.  He just won pac12 defensive poty.  DE at only 255lbs.  plays like a beast. 

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #3

    Vea is definitely nasty.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #4

    ins't he projected as top 10? And is another DT absolutely necessary? if we're gonna address front 7 high in the draft irritatingly enough it's gotta be another DE cause Ogbah/Nassib/orchard ain't gonna cut it. But if we address DE in FA, than yeah I would consider a DT with the Texans pick unless there's a very high value secondary player. Our secondary is the most pressing need on the defense. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #5

    And cue up the first BPA vs. need "discussion" of the 2018 Draft.... the first of 2,371 such discussions.

    Somewhere around #1785 someone, likely me, will say, "Don't forget about positional importance."

    *sigh*

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #6

    Vea and Shelton would give this team two unblockable monsters in the middle like no other NFL team.  Great teams set trends.  Losing teams play catch-up.  Centers and guards wouldn't know what hit 'em.  Push up the middle disrupts any offense.  Build the defense inside out.  Shelton was a great pick.  Give him a brother in arms.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #7

    If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #8

    @mld-woody said:

    If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season?

    Already ahead of you.  Been watching him wondering what kind of 3tech id like to see for this defense. 

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #9

    Nobody from Michigan.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
    😂
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @mld-woody said:

    If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season?

    Already ahead of you.  Been watching him wondering what kind of 3tech id like to see for this defense. 

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #10

    @tiamat63 said:

    Already ahead of you.  Been watching him wondering what kind of 3tech id like to see for this defense. 

    Mo Hurst is an animal. After the DTs we took last year though, I'm not seeing us taking him.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #11

    Id use hurst as a DE in some packages. Line him up at the 4-5 spot. My ideal d is a 4-3 with one of the DE's in that 3-4 5T mold. Basically a watt type u line up either over the tackle or shaded to the outside shoulder. U can have the wide tech guy on the other side. That gives u one guy who rushes up high and the other guy who cuts a tighter power edge. 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #12

    Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted?  Well, Mo actually fits that description. 

    C 1 Reply
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #13

    Hey, if they want to draft Mo I won't stop them, we just have bigger needs. QB then DB in the top 10 is more likely. And Mo will be gone earlier. 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #14

    For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D.  I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush.  You can't double young Vea, Shelton AND Garrett.  All day?  Unlikely.  Line of scrimmage controlled.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D.  I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush.  You can't double young Vea, Shelton AND Garrett.  All day?  Unlikely.  Line of scrimmage controlled.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #15

    @skippinturtles said:

    For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D.  I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush.  You can't double young Vea, Shelton and Garrett.  Most O-Lines couldn't handle all 3.  If any.

    Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.  

    S 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted?  Well, Mo actually fits that description. 

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #16

    @tiamat63 said:

    Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted?  Well, Mo actually fits that description. 

    i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst. 

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #17

    Bear defense ftw

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @skippinturtles said:

    For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D.  I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush.  You can't double young Vea, Shelton and Garrett.  Most O-Lines couldn't handle all 3.  If any.

    Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.  

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #18

    @tiamat63 said:

    Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.  

    Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw.  Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle.  D-Line trumps secondary.  Can't cover without pressure.  Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker.  They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out.  Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    @tiamat63 said:

    Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.  

    Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw.  Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle.  D-Line trumps secondary.  Can't cover without pressure.  Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker.  They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out.  Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #19

    @skippinturtles said:

    Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw.  Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle.  D-Line trumps secondary.  Can't cover without pressure.  Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker.  They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out.  Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.

    Off the top of my head -  Aaron Donald,  Campbell, Easley,  Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.  

    S 1 Reply
  • C Clevfan4life

    @tiamat63 said:

    Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted?  Well, Mo actually fits that description. 

    i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst. 

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #20

    @clevfan4life said:

    i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst. 

    Not so sure about that right now.  

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