Kiser not the reason folks.
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Here is the difference between kiser and a great qb. Kiser throws to the open man. In the NFL there is rarely an open man. A great qb throws the man open something kiser can not do maybe in time but I really doubt it. And his accuracy is very suspect if at all.
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In the two games with Gordon back in the lineup, Kizer has a 93.7 passer rating when targeting Gordon and a 43.6 passer rating when targeting any other WR
During the first 11 weeks of the season, Kizer’s 68.9 passer rating when kept clean ranked dead last. However, over the past three games, Kizer's 104.8 passer rating when kept clean ranks 13th.
Honest question here: what does mean 'when kept clean'?
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Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is not time to survey... to go thru your progressions.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
Thats the kind of knowledgeable analysis this board needs a sht ton more of. Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
And we now have an answer...
Reportedly that's Crow at the top... all alone...
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But tour he threw back across to his right. So he passed on crow which was the sideline throw, and decided to throw to "sonething" back across the middle. Those guys are covered solid. That picture in my eyes just made that throw infinitely worse.This pic is still 1-2 seconds before he threw so those guys are gonna be further downfield, they're about 30 now.
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This pic should disgust all of u. Kizer as he's rolling to the left sideline passes on a WIDE open crowell for a sure TD if he catches it.
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Kizer has no visual lane to see Crow.Could have thrown 2 guys open just past midfield...thanks tour, that’s a good look
Kizer has no visual lane to see Crow.Could have thrown 2 guys open just past midfield...thanks tour, that’s a good look
Yup... plenty of issues with Kizer on the play, but missing Crow at that point is not one of them. Play looks to be designed (4-receiver stack to left; Gordon split right) to isolate Gordon and go to him. Gordon did not come close to winning his one-on-one battle.
First, and biggest, issue was his unnecessarily bailing on the pocket. Second was the direction he initially chose to bail, to his right. To go that way he had to give ground to get around Mathews... and you don't do that.
I just went thru the play... frame by frame and I looked at the All-22 again. He was trying to go deep to Higgins, who was the deepest WR in the All-22.
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It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
Isn't their OC the Browns ex-QB coach that Manziel texted during the Draft telling him to tell the Browns bigwigs to draft him so he can "wreck this league"?
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It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
Isn't their OC the Browns ex-QB coach that Manziel texted during the Draft telling him to tell the Browns bigwigs to draft him so he can "wreck this league"?
Isn't their OC the Browns ex-QB coach that Manziel texted during the Draft telling him to tell the Browns bigwigs to draft him so he can "wreck this league"?
The very same.
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It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
Isn't their OC the Browns ex-QB coach that Manziel texted during the Draft telling him to tell the Browns bigwigs to draft him so he can "wreck this league"?
Isn't their OC the Browns ex-QB coach that Manziel texted during the Draft telling him to tell the Browns bigwigs to draft him so he can "wreck this league"?
Ah.... the good ol' days...
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Kizer has no visual lane to see Crow.Could have thrown 2 guys open just past midfield...thanks tour, that’s a good look
Yup... plenty of issues with Kizer on the play, but missing Crow at that point is not one of them. Play looks to be designed (4-receiver stack to left; Gordon split right) to isolate Gordon and go to him. Gordon did not come close to winning his one-on-one battle.
First, and biggest, issue was his unnecessarily bailing on the pocket. Second was the direction he initially chose to bail, to his right. To go that way he had to give ground to get around Mathews... and you don't do that.
I just went thru the play... frame by frame and I looked at the All-22 again. He was trying to go deep to Higgins, who was the deepest WR in the All-22.
Yup... plenty of issues with Kizer on the play, but missing Crow at that point is not one of them. Play looks to be designed (4-receiver stack to left; Gordon split right) to isolate Gordon and go to him. Gordon did not come close to winning his one-on-one battle.
First, and biggest, issue was his unnecessarily bailing on the pocket. Second was the direction he initially chose to bail, to his right. To go that way he had to give ground to get around Mathews... and you don't do that.
I just went thru the play... frame by frame and I looked at the All-22 again. He was trying to go deep to Higgins, who was the deepest WR in the All-22.
Once he spilled further to his left, how does he still not see crow?
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It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
It could be worse.. At least we aren't Chicago with the John Fox HC / someone named Dowell Loggains as OC ruining Trubisky. Small victories, I know..
Trubinsky is about to "wreck this league"
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He keeps showing he's the GOAT! Despite that being a literal ball you throw 0-100 times, Shmuck Hue am I right?
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Kizer back to being the problem
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Whoever started this limpdick thread come back and man up. Come back and tell me how Kizer is the dude with a straight face. I implore you, but you can't.
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Kizer never has been and isn’t an NFL caliber QB. He has heart, but so did Colt McCoy
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In the two games with Gordon back in the lineup, Kizer has a 93.7 passer rating when targeting Gordon and a 43.6 passer rating when targeting any other WR
During the first 11 weeks of the season, Kizer’s 68.9 passer rating when kept clean ranked dead last. However, over the past three games, Kizer's 104.8 passer rating when kept clean ranks 13th.
In the two games with Gordon back in the lineup, Kizer has a 93.7 passer rating when targeting Gordon and a 43.6 passer rating when targeting any other WR
During the first 11 weeks of the season, Kizer’s 68.9 passer rating when kept clean ranked dead last. However, over the past three games, Kizer's 104.8 passer rating when kept clean ranks 13th.
Come on - let's get real here. .When Kizer isn't throwing INTs he's carelessly fumbling the ball away. And let's not pretend it's the same as Peyton Manning throwing 26 TDs to counterbalance his 28 INTs. That's a lot closer to a 1 TD to 1 INT ratio than Kizer has accomplished here.
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Kizers the reason. And hogan. And kessler. Cant none of them play qb in the nfl
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