Walter football quarterback list

[TexasAg1969]

@gumby73 said:

Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudolph 

Could he be "The One" to guide the Browns' sleigh?

[LondonBrown]

I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson. 

[TexasAg1969]

@londonbrown said:

I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson. 

I agree.

[Dutch Oven]

Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

[TexasAg1969]

@dutch-oven said:

Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

Draft declaration last day is Monday Jan. 15.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21748664/2018-nfl-draft-underclassmen-declaration-tracker

[The Gipper]

@dutch-oven said:

Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

[Dutch Oven]

@the-gipper said:

Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

I'm trying to get myself to like the idea of taking Darnold, but I always go back to the USC/UCLA game and Rosen was so much better.

[hoorta]

@gumby73 said:

Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudolph 

Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell.

@the-gipper said:

Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.

Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.

Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?

[The Gipper]

@hoorta said:

Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell.

Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.

Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.

Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?

I hear you on the Notre Dame thing.   Not a great track record. Here is that record:

RkYearRndPickPosDrAgeTmFromToAP1PBStCarAVGGSQBrecCmpAttYdsTDIntAttYdsTDCollege/Univ12017252

DeShone KizerQB21CLE20172017001014140-14-02394462580921713585Notre DameCollege Stats22010248

Jimmy ClausenQB22CAR20102015001322141-13-02554722520714371020Notre DameCollege Stats32007122

Brady QuinnQB22CLE20072012002224204-16-029655030431217441851Notre DameCollege Stats420007214

Jarious JacksonQB23DEN200020030000510-1-01122114017150Notre DameCollege Stats5199312

Rick MirerQB23SEA1993200300532806824-44-01088204311969507624211309Notre DameCollege Stats619874110

Steve BeuerleinQB22RAI198820030146914710247-55-018943328240461471122254965Notre DameCollege Stats7198411281

Blair KielQB22TAM1984199100042530-3-0108193129687161051Notre DameCollege Stats81980489

Rusty LischQB23STL1980198400023020-1-055115547111201300Notre DameCollege Stats91979382

Joe Montana HOFQB23SFO197919943812123192164117-47-03409539140551273139457167620Notre DameCollege Stats101971499

Joe TheismannQB21MIA197419851288716712477-47-02044360225206160138355181517Notre DameCollege Stats111969230

Terry HanrattyQB21PIT19691976000850186-12-01654312510243521991Notre DameCollege Stats12196912308

Bob BeldenQBDAL000Notre DameCollege Stats131965212

John HuarteQB22NYJ1966197200012410-1-019482301512520Notre DameCollege Stats14196520277

George WilsonQB22DET1966196600151472-5-046112764510271370Notre Dame15196312168

Daryle LamonicaQB22GNB19631974257761518866-16-6128826011915416413816664014Notre DameCollege Stats16196012

George IzoQB22STL1960196600052663-3-01323171791123210-230Notre DameCollege Stats17195514

Ralph GuglielmiQB22WAS195519630011366278-16-3292626411924521776332Notre DameCollege Stats18195112

Bob WilliamsQB21CHI1951195500102973-4-0741609811012291120Notre Dame19194919

Frank TripuckaQB21PHI1949196301319755617-34-187917451028269124431016Notre Dame20194816139

George RattermanQB21BOS19471956004092469-8-173713961047391961064914Notre Dame21194611

Boley DancewiczQB21BOS1946194800102329623815511229652292Notre Dame22194614

Johnny LujackQB21CHI194819511230452813-5-04048086295415413374221Notre Dame23194411

Angelo BertelliQB23BOS1946194800001657616697281914-151Notre DameCollege Stats

[The Gipper]

Three and  a half decent QBs from Notre Dame over the past  80 years.   Montana , Theisman and Lamonica....and  the half being Steve Beurlein.

[The Gipper]

Here is the list for USC:

k	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2016	3	93	Cody Kessler	QB	23	CLE	2016	2017	0	0	1	3	13	8	0-8-0	139	218	1506	6	3	12	17	0	USC	College Stats
2	2013	4	98	Matt Barkley	QB	22	PHI	2013	2016	0	0	0	2	11	6	1-5-0	159	266	1911	8	18	12	0	0	USC	College Stats
3	2009	1	5	Mark Sanchez	QB	22	NYJ	2009	2016	0	0	5	34	77	72	37-35-0	1295	2285	15219	86	86	169	449	13	USC	College Stats
4	2008	5	137	John David Booty	QB		MIN			0	0	0													USC
5	2006	1	10	Matt Leinart	QB	23	ARI	2006	2012	0	0	1	12	33	18	8-10-0	366	641	4065	15	21	47	89	2	USC	College Stats
6	2005	7	230	Matt Cassel	QB	23	NWE	2005	2017	0	1	5	46	107	81	36-45-0	1571	2666	17449	104	81	266	1012	5	USC	College Stats
7	2003	1	1	Carson Palmer	QB	23	CIN	2004	2017	0	3	11	106	182	181	92-88-1	3941	6307	46247	294	187	301	474	8	USC	College Stats
8	1996	7	240	Kyle Wachholtz	QB		GNB			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
9	1995	4	99	Rob Johnson	QB	22	JAX	1995	2003	0	0	1	19	48	29	12-17-0	494	806	5795	30	23	140	877	4	USC	College Stats
10	1991	1	24	Todd Marinovich	QB	22	RAI	1991	1992	0	0	0	3	8	8	3-5-0	104	205	1345	8	9	12	44	0	USC	College Stats
11	1991	10	260	Pat O'Hara	QB		TAM			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
12	1989	6	141	Rodney Peete	QB	23	DET	1989	2004	0	0	7	46	104	87	45-42-0	1344	2346	16338	76	92	270	1139	16	USC	College Stats
13	1980	4	109	Paul McDonald	QB	22	CLE	1980	1986	0	0	1	15	85	21	8-13-0	411	767	5269	24	37	37	6	1	USC	College Stats
14	1978	5	131	Rob Hertel	QB	23	CIN	1978	1978	0	0	0	0	3	0		1	4	9	0	0	1	0	0	USC	College Stats
15	1977	6	140	Vince Evans	QB	22	CHI	1977	1995	0	0	2	29	100	39	14-25-0	704	1390	9485	52	74	212	1129	14	USC	College Stats
16	1975	7	176	Pat Haden	QB	22	RAM	1976	1981	0	1	4	33	65	55	35-19-1	731	1363	9296	52	60	124	609	6	USC	College Stats
17	1973	8	205	Mike Rae	QB	22	OAK	1976	1979	0	0	0	9	28	8	4-4-0	124	249	1536	12	14	44	300	2	USC	College Stats
18	1970	8	201	Mike Holmgren	QB		STL			0	0	0													USC
19	1965	20	270	Craig Fertig	QB		PIT			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
20	1964	1	2	Pete Beathard	QB	22	KAN	1964	1973	0	0	3	26	110	35	18-16-1	575	1282	8176	43	84	131	680	11	USC	College Stats
21	1963	10	136	Bill Nelsen	QB	22	PIT	1963	1972	0	1	5	53	90	74	40-31-3	963	1905	14165	98	101	84	89	2	USC	College Stats
22	1962	34	268	Ben Charles	QB		BUF			0	0	0													USC
23	1953	2	24	Rudy Bukich	QB	22	RAM	1953	1968	0	0	2	30	103	41	21-17-3	626	1190	8433	61	74	112	109	9	USC
24	1945	1	8	Jim Hardy	QB	22	WAS	1946	1952	0	1	1	0	69	21	4-9-0	423	912	5690	54	73	52	72	2	USC

[The Gipper]

About the same over the same 80 year period.  Our own Bill Nelsen may have in fact been the best of the bunch...in terms of being a winner.  Beyond that there is Palmer....and the best after that are Pat Haden and Rodney Peete.

(and hell....I basically forgot that Kessler came from USC)

[The Gipper]

As for Big 12 QBs, since 2000 we have this lot:

Sage Rosenfelds

Seneca Wallace

Josh Freeman

Josh Heupel

Sam Bradford

Landry Jones

Zac Robinson

Brandon Weeden

Andy Dalton

Chris Simms

Vince Young

Colt McCoy

BJ Symons

Patrick Mahomes

Jordan Palmer

Robert Griffin III

Bryce Petty.

Nothing Stellar:  Dalton and Bradford the best of the lot.

So....the two main Big 12 QBs under consideration are  Mayfield and Rudolph

[The Gipper]

Prospect per conference:

Pac 12:   Rosen,  Darnold, Luke Falk

ACC:   Jackson, Benkert

Big 12:  Mayfield, Rudolph, Alex Shimonek

SEC:  Drew Lock, Jarrett Stidham

C-USA:  Riley Ferguson

Alex McGough:  Florida International

Mike White: Western KY

Big Ten:  Thorson, Barrett.

Quarterbacks are always overrated, over drafted.  Why do I feel that this bunch is way overrated?

[gumby73]

@the-gipper said:

As for Big 12 QBs, since 2000

Sam Bradford

Nothing Stellar:  But Bradford might be best FA of the lot?

So....the two main Big 12 QBs under consideration are  Mayfield and Rudolph

Re-scrambled, ^^ Fits the criteria of Browns can’t have good things? So we get the odd man out..Cousins & Smith at age, just makes sense looking at teams like jags,broncos or Bills a QB away on better rosters, regardless of what Dorsey thinks? But who would of thought a 4th for Cameal Erving either. Will be interesting to see what Vikings do at QB leading up to free agent time

[thenew23]

Rosen and Darnold reminds me of Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers for some reason.

Not that you can directly compare skill sets 1:1 but both are productive and have the skill sets without the winning, which makes them seem less desirable...

[hoorta]

@texasag1969 said:

Could he be "The One" to guide the Browns' sleigh?

All we want fro Christmas is a winning record for a change...   

[Dutch Oven]

@the-gipper said:

Here is the list for USC:

k	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2016	3	93	Cody Kessler	QB	23	CLE	2016	2017	0	0	1	3	13	8	0-8-0	139	218	1506	6	3	12	17	0	USC	College Stats
2	2013	4	98	Matt Barkley	QB	22	PHI	2013	2016	0	0	0	2	11	6	1-5-0	159	266	1911	8	18	12	0	0	USC	College Stats
3	2009	1	5	Mark Sanchez	QB	22	NYJ	2009	2016	0	0	5	34	77	72	37-35-0	1295	2285	15219	86	86	169	449	13	USC	College Stats
4	2008	5	137	John David Booty	QB		MIN			0	0	0													USC
5	2006	1	10	Matt Leinart	QB	23	ARI	2006	2012	0	0	1	12	33	18	8-10-0	366	641	4065	15	21	47	89	2	USC	College Stats
6	2005	7	230	Matt Cassel	QB	23	NWE	2005	2017	0	1	5	46	107	81	36-45-0	1571	2666	17449	104	81	266	1012	5	USC	College Stats
7	2003	1	1	Carson Palmer	QB	23	CIN	2004	2017	0	3	11	106	182	181	92-88-1	3941	6307	46247	294	187	301	474	8	USC	College Stats
8	1996	7	240	Kyle Wachholtz	QB		GNB			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
9	1995	4	99	Rob Johnson	QB	22	JAX	1995	2003	0	0	1	19	48	29	12-17-0	494	806	5795	30	23	140	877	4	USC	College Stats
10	1991	1	24	Todd Marinovich	QB	22	RAI	1991	1992	0	0	0	3	8	8	3-5-0	104	205	1345	8	9	12	44	0	USC	College Stats
11	1991	10	260	Pat O'Hara	QB		TAM			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
12	1989	6	141	Rodney Peete	QB	23	DET	1989	2004	0	0	7	46	104	87	45-42-0	1344	2346	16338	76	92	270	1139	16	USC	College Stats
13	1980	4	109	Paul McDonald	QB	22	CLE	1980	1986	0	0	1	15	85	21	8-13-0	411	767	5269	24	37	37	6	1	USC	College Stats
14	1978	5	131	Rob Hertel	QB	23	CIN	1978	1978	0	0	0	0	3	0		1	4	9	0	0	1	0	0	USC	College Stats
15	1977	6	140	Vince Evans	QB	22	CHI	1977	1995	0	0	2	29	100	39	14-25-0	704	1390	9485	52	74	212	1129	14	USC	College Stats
16	1975	7	176	Pat Haden	QB	22	RAM	1976	1981	0	1	4	33	65	55	35-19-1	731	1363	9296	52	60	124	609	6	USC	College Stats
17	1973	8	205	Mike Rae	QB	22	OAK	1976	1979	0	0	0	9	28	8	4-4-0	124	249	1536	12	14	44	300	2	USC	College Stats
18	1970	8	201	Mike Holmgren	QB		STL			0	0	0													USC
19	1965	20	270	Craig Fertig	QB		PIT			0	0	0													USC	College Stats
20	1964	1	2	Pete Beathard	QB	22	KAN	1964	1973	0	0	3	26	110	35	18-16-1	575	1282	8176	43	84	131	680	11	USC	College Stats
21	1963	10	136	Bill Nelsen	QB	22	PIT	1963	1972	0	1	5	53	90	74	40-31-3	963	1905	14165	98	101	84	89	2	USC	College Stats
22	1962	34	268	Ben Charles	QB		BUF			0	0	0													USC
23	1953	2	24	Rudy Bukich	QB	22	RAM	1953	1968	0	0	2	30	103	41	21-17-3	626	1190	8433	61	74	112	109	9	USC
24	1945	1	8	Jim Hardy	QB	22	WAS	1946	1952	0	1	1	0	69	21	4-9-0	423	912	5690	54	73	52	72	2	USC

Could you do one for Ohio State QBs? It's always been baffling to me that a school that produces so much NFL talent is a blackhole at QB for pretty much their entire run.

[The Gipper]

@dutch-oven said:

Could you do one for Ohio State QBs? It's always been baffling to me that a school that produces so much NFL talent is a blackhole at QB for pretty much their entire run.

I could kind of say: Why bother?  for just the reason you state.  But, here goes:

Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2016	4	139	Cardale Jones	QB	23	BUF	2016	2016	0	0	0	0	1	0		6	11	96	0	1	1	-1	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
2	2007	5	174	Troy Smith	QB	23	BAL	2007	2010	0	0	0	6	20	8	4-4-0	121	234	1734	8	5	52	230	3	Ohio St.	College Stats
3	2004	5	148	Craig Krenzel	QB	23	CHI	2004	2004	0	0	0	1	6	5	3-2-0	59	127	718	3	6	18	41	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
4	2002	6	205	Steve Bellisari	QB		STL			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
5	1999	4	101	Joe Germaine	QB	24	STL	1999	1999	0	0	0	1	3	0		9	16	136	1	2	3	0	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
6	1996	3	85	Bobby Hoying	QB	23	PHI	1996	2000	0	0	1	3	22	13	3-9-1	244	456	2544	11	15	42	156	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
7	1992	8	211	Kent Graham	QB	23	NYG	1992	2001	0	0	1	21	81	38	17-21-0	694	1339	7801	39	33	121	424	5	Ohio St.	College Stats
8	1988	3	68	Tom Tupa	QB	22	PHO	1988	2004	1	1	11	29	220	13	4-9-0	259	504	3430	12	25	53	187	1	Ohio St.	College Stats
9	1987	12	322	Jim Karsatos	QB		MIA			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
10	1982	1	4	Art Schlichter	QB	22	BAL	1982	1985	0	0	0	4	13	6	0-6-0	91	202	1006	3	11	22	161	1	Ohio St.	College Stats
11	1976	11	317	Cornelius Greene	QB		DAL			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
12	1974	8	203	Gregg Hare	QB		BUF			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
13	1971	15	376	Ron Maciejowski	QB		CHI			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
14	1959	23	275	Frank Kremblas	QB		NYG			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
15	1955	7	74	Dave Leggett	QB	21	CRD	1955	1955	0	0	0	0	4			0	1	0	0	0				Ohio St.
16	1955	13	157	John Borton	QB	22	CLE	1957	1957	0	0	0	0	5			3	6	22	0	1				Ohio St.

[The Gipper]

But...there does seem to be a black hole in the above.  Probably the best QB out of OSU isn't listed there.   Since these are only draftees...I am wondering if Mike Tomcsak went undrafted.   Here is the PFR link to him:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomcMi00.htm

He is definitely the most productive QB to come out of OSU......his CA is almost double that of Tupa....who had a lot of his "production" as a punter/specials teamer.

Edit:  I do see this from Wiki:

Tomczak went undrafted out of college and signed as an original free agent with the Chicago Bears. He started no games his first year but did earn a Super Bowl ring, and saw playing time in Super Bowl XX on January 26, 1986, during the fourth quarter of the Bears' 46–10 win over the New England Patriots on the kickoff unit, where he was penalized for a facemask penalty.^[3] He was a member of the "Shuffling Crew" in the Bears' video for The Super Bowl Shuffle, mimicking playing guitar. He played for the Bears until 1990 starting 31 games and throwing for 31 touchdowns and 47 interceptions.

So...he was a UDFA.  It figures that the best pro QB to ever come out of OSU would be undrafted......compared to these others that were drafted.

Of course, note that Braxton Miller is not counted here....as he came in at like WR or something.

(and whatever happened to him?)