Elliot Wolfe
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And Haslam is the #1 problem. He's a control freak. We got worse under him nearly every year so far.
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This is not a joke... Cleveland's front office now rivals Seattle and Indianapolis as the best in the NFL.
Didn't Indy just like fire their GM and HC?
Didn't Indy just like fire their GM and HC?
HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here are the GB drafts during the time when Dorsey was there and Elliot Wolf looks to have been in a position of responsibility.
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2012 1 Nick Perry 28 DE 2017 0 0 0 19 72 1 30.5 USC 2012 2 Jerel Worthy 51 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 36 2.5 Michigan St. 2012 2 Casey Hayward 62 DB 2017 0 2 2 31 83 20 Vanderbilt 2012 4 Mike Daniels 132 DT 2017 0 0 4 31 92 1 27.0 Iowa 2012 4 Jerron McMillian 133 DB 2013 0 0 0 2 28 1 Maine 2012 5 Terrell Manning 163 LB 2014 0 0 0 0 11 North Carolina St. 2012 7 Andrew Datko 241 OL 2012 0 0 0 0 Florida St. 2012 7 B.J. Coleman 243 QB 2012 0 0 0 0 Tenn-Chattanooga Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2011 1 Derek Sherrod 32 T 2014 0 0 0 3 20 Mississippi St. 2011 2 Randall Cobb 64 WR 2017 0 1 4 52 96 1 2 10 0 0 59 352 0 432 5141 39 Kentucky 2011 3 Alex Green 96 RB 2013 0 0 0 5 29 149 510 0 21 139 0 Hawaii 2011 4 Davon House 131 DB 2017 0 0 2 16 84 7 3.0 New Mexico St. 2011 5 D.J. Williams 141 TE 2013 0 0 0 1 35 9 70 0 Arkansas 2011 6 Caleb Schlauderaff 179 G 2013 0 0 0 1 12 Southern Utah 2011 6 D.J. Smith 186 LB 2014 0 0 0 6 24 1 2.0 Appalachian St. 2011 6 Ricky Elmore 197 DL 2012 0 0 0 0 Arizona 2011 7 Ryan Taylor 218 TE 2014 0 0 0 0 59 8 45 1 North Carolina 2011 7 Lawrence Guy 233 DT 2017 0 0 2 21 83 7.5 Arizona St. Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2010 1 Bryan Bulaga 23 T 2017 0 0 6 45 85 Iowa 2010 2 Mike Neal 56 DE 2015 0 0 2 17 68 1 19.0 Purdue 2010 3 Morgan Burnett 71 DB 2017 0 0 7 31 102 9 7.5 Georgia Tech 2010 5 Andrew Quarless 154 TE 2015 0 0 2 9 60 89 940 6 Penn St. 2010 5 Marshall Newhouse 169 G 2017 0 0 4 38 100 TCU 2010 6 James Starks 193 RB 2016 0 0 0 27 76 618 2506 9 125 1017 6 Buffalo 2010 7 C.J. Wilson 230 DE 2016 0 0 0 15 84 7.5 East Carolina Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2009 1 B.J. Raji 9 DT 2015 0 1 5 33 91 1 1 1 11.0 Boston Col. 2009 1 Clay Matthews 26 LB 2017 1 6 7 77 127 6 80.0 USC 2009 4 T.J. Lang 109 T 2017 0 1 7 58 132 East. Michigan 2009 5 Quinn Johnson 145 RB 2013 0 0 1 0 44 4 5 0 13 100 0 LSU 2009 5 Jamon Meredith 162 T 2015 0 0 2 14 67 South Carolina 2009 6 Jarius Wynn 182 DE 2014 0 0 0 8 69 10.5 Georgia 2009 6 Brandon Underwood 187 DB 2010 0 0 0 2 23 Cincinnati 2009 7 Brad Jones 218 LB 2015 0 0 2 18 83 10.0 Colorado Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2008 2 Jordy Nelson 36 WR 2017 0 1 6 69 136 550 7848 69 Kansas St. 2008 2 Brian Brohm 56 QB 2010 0 0 0 0 3 27 52 252 0 5 3 -3 0 Louisville 2008 2 Pat Lee 60 DB 2012 0 0 0 4 47 1 Auburn 2008 3 Jermichael Finley 91 TE 2013 0 0 3 27 70 223 2785 20 Texas 2008 4 Jeremy Thompson 102 DE 2009 0 0 0 1 15 Wake Forest 2008 4 Josh Sitton 135 T 2017 0 4 9 81 147 Central Florida 2008 5 Breno Giacomini 150 T 2017 0 0 6 35 94 Louisville 2008 7 Matt Flynn 209 QB 2014 0 0 0 8 53 219 357 2541 17 11 65 69 1 LSU 2008 7 Brett Swain 217 WR 2011 0 0 0 1 27 8 87 0 San Diego St. -
Didn't Indy just like fire their GM and HC?
HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
Speaking of Tour- does this mean Grigson is out with the hiring of Wolfe? What's the old saying, too many cooks spoil the broth? We still have DePodesta hanging around too.
Looking at those drafts (playing Jeopardy) I'll take Jordy Nelson and Clay Matthews for $1,000. Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
PS Looking it up on Wiki, 2009 was a Brownsian year of multiple trade downs. We dodged a bullet in Sanchez, Alex Mack or Clay in the first round? Clay would still be playing here. Also the year we totally blew the second round with Robiski, Massaquoi, and Veikune. If you want to get really ill, take a look at the guys we passed on that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
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And Haslam is the #1 problem. He's a control freak. We got worse under him nearly every year so far.
And Haslam is the #1 problem. He's a not too bright control freak. We got worse under him nearly every year so far.
FIFY. there's no way he should have both Hueless and Dorsey reporting directly to him. Every other organization I'm aware of has the HC reporting to the GM.
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HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
Speaking of Tour- does this mean Grigson is out with the hiring of Wolfe? What's the old saying, too many cooks spoil the broth? We still have DePodesta hanging around too.
Looking at those drafts (playing Jeopardy) I'll take Jordy Nelson and Clay Matthews for $1,000. Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
PS Looking it up on Wiki, 2009 was a Brownsian year of multiple trade downs. We dodged a bullet in Sanchez, Alex Mack or Clay in the first round? Clay would still be playing here. Also the year we totally blew the second round with Robiski, Massaquoi, and Veikune. If you want to get really ill, take a look at the guys we passed on that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
Speaking of Tour- does this mean Grigson is out with the hiring of Wolfe? What's the old saying, too many cooks spoil the broth? We still have DePodesta hanging around too.
Looking at those drafts (playing Jeopardy) I'll take Jordy Nelson and Clay Matthews for $1,000. Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
PS Looking it up on Wiki, 2009 was a Brownsian year of multiple trade downs. We dodged a bullet in Sanchez, Alex Mack or Clay in the first round? Clay would still be playing here. Also the year we totally blew the second round with Robiski, Massaquoi, and Veikune. If you want to get really ill, take a look at the guys we passed on that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
Well...the entire personell staff may be aufed. Berry, Grigson. I mean.....aren't Wolfe and Dorsey here to do those jobs? Or are we still missing a guy to take over for the Sashi/Berry/Grigson triumvirate? Or, perhaps one of these guys...maybe Berry, will be kept on?
Like I said....there HAS been, in my mind, somewhat of an influx of decent talent brought in the last couple of years...except for the glaring exception at QB. So maybe Berry can stick it out.
I would keep Berry over Hue...whom I actually put way more responsibility on for this shiteshow than Sashi...overall. (again...except for QB)
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HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
Speaking of Tour- does this mean Grigson is out with the hiring of Wolfe? What's the old saying, too many cooks spoil the broth? We still have DePodesta hanging around too.
Looking at those drafts (playing Jeopardy) I'll take Jordy Nelson and Clay Matthews for $1,000. Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
PS Looking it up on Wiki, 2009 was a Brownsian year of multiple trade downs. We dodged a bullet in Sanchez, Alex Mack or Clay in the first round? Clay would still be playing here. Also the year we totally blew the second round with Robiski, Massaquoi, and Veikune. If you want to get really ill, take a look at the guys we passed on that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
Agreed, Larry. However, Jr must be tickled pink the 'home team' passed on him. At least they didn't completely blow that draft though. Although not a playmaker / game changer as is a dominating LB, at least Alex Mack proved to be a pretty good NFL player.
Jack Lambert always held a grudge about not being drafted by the 'home team'.
No sure if Roth. thought the same way, but he is another HOF player (Matthews is not, at least at this point), the 'home team' passed on.
However, this doesn't mean the Browns should draft a kid simply because he went to OSU, for example. The above examples are HOF and/or PB players.
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Cleveland.com is reporting Eliot Wolfe has an interview now scheduled with Dorsey. The assumption is an interview is really not necessary since they worked together 2004 - 2012 and that an offer is in hand. It also mentions Ron Wolf was involved in the recommendation of the Browns hiring of Dorsey.
he also worked with McKenzie raiders new g.m for 7 years don't be surprised if he ends up there
he also worked with McKenzie raiders new g.m for 7 years don't be surprised if he ends up there
I am guessing that the Raiders job was less desirable as I expect that Gruden has a death grip on every decision top to bottom. He likely saw more ability to achieve and advance in Cleveland. On top of it the cap room and draft capital have to be a dream for a person taking on this type of role. Wolfe will be our head dog within a few years in all likelihood.
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HC only...
They changed GMs a year ago when they replaced Grigson with Chris Ballard who they hired away from KC and Dorsey.
Speaking of Tour- does this mean Grigson is out with the hiring of Wolfe? What's the old saying, too many cooks spoil the broth? We still have DePodesta hanging around too.
Looking at those drafts (playing Jeopardy) I'll take Jordy Nelson and Clay Matthews for $1,000. Still honked we didn't draft Clay- he wanted to play here.
PS Looking it up on Wiki, 2009 was a Brownsian year of multiple trade downs. We dodged a bullet in Sanchez, Alex Mack or Clay in the first round? Clay would still be playing here. Also the year we totally blew the second round with Robiski, Massaquoi, and Veikune. If you want to get really ill, take a look at the guys we passed on that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
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Parade? Changing of the guards in Berea
Step out of the dark and into the light
Add Alonzo Highsmith with Berry as splitting VP of Player Personal position.Ryan Grigson is out. 3 of Dorsey's scouts added. this office is moving to FA & draft mode..Go Browns!!
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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https://www.brownszone.com/2018/01/10/browns-hire-eliot-wolf-as-assistant-gm/
The Wolf is here to solve problems. Good, we've got one.
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We just need a head coach now
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Ian Rapoport@RapSheet#Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around.More#Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around.We just need a head coach now
#Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around.Haha ok.
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Parade? Changing of the guards in Berea
Step out of the dark and into the light
Add Alonzo Highsmith with Berry as splitting VP of Player Personal position.Ryan Grigson is out. 3 of Dorsey's scouts added. this office is moving to FA & draft mode..Go Browns!!
Parade? Changing of the guards in Berea
Add Alonzo Highsmith with Berry as splitting VP of Player Personal position.Ryan Grigson is out. 3 of Dorsey's scouts added. this office is moving to FA & draft mode..Go Browns!!
I never could figure out bringing Grigson here in the first place- IIRC, he was terrible in Indy...
Haha ok.
What you no likee? We'll see how this turns out, but I have more confidence the way this Front office is shaping up than having a Harvard Bean Counter and a guy who thought giving us a first round pick for bust Richardson was a good idea running the draft.
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FIFY. there's no way he should have both Hueless and Dorsey reporting directly to him. Every other organization I'm aware of has the HC reporting to the GM.
Yeah, that makes no sense. He's the owner, not a manager who keeps control of everyone. Plus it creates conflicts. Hue most likely got a part on firing Sashi as he had Haslam's ear.
But....their main problem has been hiring the wrong people....and then possibly meddling somewhat in their business. Here, we hope he has hired the right guy/guys....and will leave well enough alone. Though....keeping Hue on is evidence that we have not reached that point yet.
I think that they keep Hue because you can't expect anything after a 0-16, and if he pulls, let's say 6 wins, he keeps the job. If he doesn't, Dorsey brings a guy of his desire as a coach and doesn't lose credit for the 2018 season. Kind of a win-win situation, where the only ones who can lose... Are the fans?
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We just need a head coach now
#Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around.Haha ok.
Haha ok.
Even that elicited a laugh from me. I didn’t like Sashi and definitely wanted him gone. However, Jimmy burns through coaches and GMs so a 4 year deal won’t stop him.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Packers are a storied and model franchise that other teams can only dream to be.
The Browns now have 3 personnel guys from the Packers. The Browns are going to blow up this draft.
They've been blowing up the draft for years. They just need to not blow it period.
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@boo-fagley said:
This time its going to be different.
Even Ghoolie will be on board. Dorsey aint a coffee fetcher for Haslam. I hope that he takes Josh Allen, but he was involved in building the Packers back to prominence. Keeping Depo is actually a good idea because Dorsey spent money like a drunken sailor in a whore house when he had control of the check book in KC.
You do realize how full of contradictions that is, right? Dorsey, Allen and Depot with Ghoolie on board? Hue stays but Dorsey is no longer a coffee fetcher? Is Ghoolie aware that you are deviating from the true course of rectitude?
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But Berry and Depo are still on board. Do we expect them to be aufed? Especially if they sign this guy?
Berry can fetch coffee and De podesta can fetch peanuts and Cracker Jack.
WSS
Berry can fetch coffee and De podesta can fetch peanuts and Cracker Jack.
WSS
Exactly, french roast, sumatra, or kona? John, Elliot- salted or unsalted?
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