What Browns offered NE for Garappolo
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I like Jimmy when he came out and think the number for would be a good price. Somebody in the Patriots organization made a bad decision.
WSS
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I like Jimmy when he came out and think the number for would be a good price. Somebody in the Patriots organization made a bad decision.
WSS
I like Jimmy when he came out and think the number for would be a good price. Somebody in the Patriots organization made a bad decision.
WSS
To be fair, at the trade deadline the Texans were 3-4, and Watson was playing great, so anybody could have said that they could be even in the playoffs and that pick would be a #20
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I like Jimmy when he came out and think the number for would be a good price. Somebody in the Patriots organization made a bad decision.
WSS
To be fair, at the trade deadline the Texans were 3-4, and Watson was playing great, so anybody could have said that they could be even in the playoffs and that pick would be a #20
To be fair, at the trade deadline the Texans were 3-4, and Watson was playing great, so anybody could have said that they could be even in the playoffs and that pick would be a #20
And they got a second-rounder which would be oh, let me think, worse than a number 20?
Besides Hoyer is a bum. Sorry, he's a Cleveland guy and everything but...
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And yes...I think that getting Hoyer back from the Niners was a big factor as to why JG was dealt to the Niners.
And yes...I think that getting Hoyer back from the Niners was a big factor as to why JG was dealt to the Niners.
Part of it, Gip. I see it as Kraft not being willing to part with Brady when the heir apparent is obviously ready in Billy's mind. I've said trading TB isn't unthinkable, as the 49ers did the same thing, trading Joe Montana to KC when they had Steve Young waiting in the wings. Seems like it came full circle. Patriot fans would have gotten over losing Tom when Jimmy kept on winning. We know Bill has zero sentimentality when it comes to keeping the wins coming. If the Browns really did offer a first round pick (I would have been temporarily pissed about it) it would have to have been Kraft overruling Bill.
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To be fair, at the trade deadline the Texans were 3-4, and Watson was playing great, so anybody could have said that they could be even in the playoffs and that pick would be a #20
And they got a second-rounder which would be oh, let me think, worse than a number 20?
Besides Hoyer is a bum. Sorry, he's a Cleveland guy and everything but...
WSS
And they got a second-rounder which would be oh, let me think, worse than a number 20?
Besides Hoyer is a bum. Sorry, he's a Cleveland guy and everything but...
WSS
I'm not saying that a second rounder isn't worse.
I'm just pointing that we know NOW that the Houston pick is #4. At the time you could think of it even as a #20.
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@boo-fagley said:
You dont know anything about JG.
Nobody really knows anything about JG.
He has won some games is all. Big deal. Jimmy has weaknesses just like Brady has weaknesses and the Patriots know full well how to take advantage of his flaws. Belichick has never traded a player out of the conference because he was afraid to face him again on another AFC team. Foolishness. A big factor in letting JG go was his desire to play now. It wasnt fair to keep him on the bench like it was an Ohio prison.
Seymour was not over the hill and played 4 more seasons
Bledsoe played 5 more seasons
Wilfork still had gas in the tank and Houston had a top 10 defense both seasons that he played NT there.
But keep throwing crap against the wall eventually something will stick.
Yes...the thing that sticks is that BB has always been willing to let go of guys "a year too early rather than a year too late"....and he idd that with all those guys: Seymour, Wilfork, Bledsoe.
You are making my point for me. And BB may have been willing to do the same with Brady....except Kraft would never allow that to happen. So TB was staying as the Pats starter, no matter what...and JG had to be let go for under market value.
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Here's more on this, from Terry Pluto...
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html
What a weird situation. It's almost like Belichick thought to himself: "Well if I have to make the stupid move of trading what should be our future QB, I'm going to make sure I'm hooking up my buddy Mike's son..."
Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
Seymour over the hill... lol... only made the Pro Bowl in 2 of his 4 seasons with the Raiders.
Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
It's entirely possible both stories are true...
- that in the preseason we did offer the Texans' pick (which at time we did not know was a top five pick... and probably thought was far from it),
- but that we were no longer offering that pick at mid-season.
Regardless the point remains that Bill only discussed the ultimate trade with one FO... and it wasn't us.
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Here's more on this, from Terry Pluto...
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html
What a weird situation. It's almost like Belichick thought to himself: "Well if I have to make the stupid move of trading what should be our future QB, I'm going to make sure I'm hooking up my buddy Mike's son..."
Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
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Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
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It is a simple, bottom line situation: BB was essentially forced by Kraft to trade JG. But there was no way in hell that he was going to trade him to another AFC team. He was going to trade him out of conference so that at best he would have to face him only once every 4 years....and not possibly every year. Even if they had to take less in trade for him, they were going to put him in the NFC.
It is a simple, bottom line situation: BB was essentially forced by Kraft to trade JG. But there was no way in hell that he was going to trade him to another AFC team. He was going to trade him out of conference so that at best he would have to face him only once every 4 years....and not possibly every year. Even if they had to take less in trade for him, they were going to put him in the NFC.
I can see not putting him in your division or maybe the AFC but SF only? (if you believe the articles verbatim)
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
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@boo-fagley said:
Smith is a very good QB. Not without his faults like any QB.
He passed for 72% in the loss. The Browns could win with him. He would be night and day compared to Kizer.
You're absolutely right. He definitely has his faults, or else no team would EVER let him go, but in terms of what WE need and where WE are at the moment, it's not impossible to envision a scenario where our 2018 team wins 6 games. People that know me understand that I'm not "Captain Optimism", and I don't go around making grandiose predictions, but I believe 6 wins would be about the right number to expect.
If (and that's a GIANT if) we sign Alex, that only helps to shore up one side of the ball. Anybody that watched our team for more than a couple weeks knows that we have just as many problems on defense, and THAT’S where I’m really wondering about our chance to improve. We missed out on the Safety Jefferson during free agency last year because of who we are, and that’s going to happen occasionally. A team can only depend on rookies to help so much, so we’ll need our players to develop and our front office to bust out the checkbook.
The GOOD news is that it appears Gregg Williams is coming back, and whether or not you agree with his blitz-heavy strategy, the fact that we’ll have young players staying in the same system for two consecutive years is a bonus. Schobert had a breakout season, and while he had a TON of tackles, he desperately needs to improve on his coverage abilities. Perhaps another year in the same system will help. I remember the first game of the season, on a monumental 2nd or 3rd down…Schobert deflected a pass intended for Antonio Brown, and the unthinkable happened. The deflection somehow went DIRECTLY to Brown…IN STRIDE…for a huge gain. My point is, maybe with another year in the same system, plays like THAT will go our way because we’ll be in slightly better position. Schobert and others had a bunch of plays just like that where we were SO close.
We need corners who can play press coverage, which makes Sashi's decision to cut Haden all the more puzzling. Haden wasn't his dominant self, but he was still good enough to help out team, and that move as much as any demonstrated how out of touch Sashi was with the actual game. You can't just look at numbers...it won't work. Haden also filled an emotional need and had a connection to our city. It was a bad move all around, and another nail in Sashi's coffin. I don't believe our new management is going to screw the pooch like that, and I'm excited about seeing what they plan to do because it's become painfully obvious...the fans have had ENOUGH.
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Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
VS
Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
VS
Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
Eh, by that logic you'd never trade anyone ever. I mean Jimmy is a FA this year by definition, nothing is stopping him from doing what you've noted. Maybe less likely sure, but if they saw him as that strong of an asset you'd never trade him in the first place.
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
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Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
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Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
WSS
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Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
WSS
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
Are you buying the "I hate the First Amendment" horseshite?
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
Second pick...or second rounder?
WSS
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Second pic.
WSS
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Second pic.
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Second pic.
WSS
You mean #4?
I don't think anyone thought he was worth that until/unless he went on this 4-5 game win streak with the Niners.
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Our second pick in the first round.
And only if I was going to trade for somebody.
I'd rather have him than Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. And that's only if we sign any of the three to a multi-year deal.
WSS
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