What Browns offered NE for Garappolo
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
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@boo-fagley said:
Smith is a very good QB. Not without his faults like any QB.
He passed for 72% in the loss. The Browns could win with him. He would be night and day compared to Kizer.
You're absolutely right. He definitely has his faults, or else no team would EVER let him go, but in terms of what WE need and where WE are at the moment, it's not impossible to envision a scenario where our 2018 team wins 6 games. People that know me understand that I'm not "Captain Optimism", and I don't go around making grandiose predictions, but I believe 6 wins would be about the right number to expect.
If (and that's a GIANT if) we sign Alex, that only helps to shore up one side of the ball. Anybody that watched our team for more than a couple weeks knows that we have just as many problems on defense, and THAT’S where I’m really wondering about our chance to improve. We missed out on the Safety Jefferson during free agency last year because of who we are, and that’s going to happen occasionally. A team can only depend on rookies to help so much, so we’ll need our players to develop and our front office to bust out the checkbook.
The GOOD news is that it appears Gregg Williams is coming back, and whether or not you agree with his blitz-heavy strategy, the fact that we’ll have young players staying in the same system for two consecutive years is a bonus. Schobert had a breakout season, and while he had a TON of tackles, he desperately needs to improve on his coverage abilities. Perhaps another year in the same system will help. I remember the first game of the season, on a monumental 2nd or 3rd down…Schobert deflected a pass intended for Antonio Brown, and the unthinkable happened. The deflection somehow went DIRECTLY to Brown…IN STRIDE…for a huge gain. My point is, maybe with another year in the same system, plays like THAT will go our way because we’ll be in slightly better position. Schobert and others had a bunch of plays just like that where we were SO close.
We need corners who can play press coverage, which makes Sashi's decision to cut Haden all the more puzzling. Haden wasn't his dominant self, but he was still good enough to help out team, and that move as much as any demonstrated how out of touch Sashi was with the actual game. You can't just look at numbers...it won't work. Haden also filled an emotional need and had a connection to our city. It was a bad move all around, and another nail in Sashi's coffin. I don't believe our new management is going to screw the pooch like that, and I'm excited about seeing what they plan to do because it's become painfully obvious...the fans have had ENOUGH.
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Guys, come on. If the Browns seriously offered the Patriots a top 5 pick compared to a 2nd round pick they would have taken it. This is just sensationalist garbage. The Patriots have become a dynasty in large part to making shrewd moves in the best interest of the organization. It's all but impossible to think they would have left that much draft capital on the table because of not wanting to trade with us. Use your noodle.
Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
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Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
VS
Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
Eh, by that logic you'd never trade anyone ever. I mean Jimmy is a FA this year by definition, nothing is stopping him from doing what you've noted. Maybe less likely sure, but if they saw him as that strong of an asset you'd never trade him in the first place.
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
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2 recentish trades come to mind where the Pats dealt with the likes of Sashi Brown, and l'd say the Browns got the better end of the deal.
Getting Collins and unloading Mingo for an actual draft pick.
Hardly fleecings, but a tip of the scale in our direction l think. Clearly the Pats feared Sashi Brown's dealing mojo and wanted no more of it.
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
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Reports were that BB didn't like dealing with Brown/Browns....because Sashi was always trying to get the better end of the deal.
So....there may be some truth to the theory that BB didn't want to again have it look like he got burned by Sashi Brown. (Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Sashi lands a job with the Pats...if BB stays there.)
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
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Well Sashi certainly didn't get the best of this deal buy a damn sight.
WSS
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
WSS
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Well....the reports are that he wasn't even allowed to participate in negotiations. But...if he had? What may have happened?
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
WSS
The reporters? I tend to take all their shyt with a grain of salt.
Are you buying the "I hate the First Amendment" horseshite?
If I was going to burn the second pick in the draft I prefer to burn it on Jimmy than anybody else available.
Second pick...or second rounder?
WSS
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Second pic.
WSS
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Second pic.
WSS
Second pic.
WSS
You mean #4?
I don't think anyone thought he was worth that until/unless he went on this 4-5 game win streak with the Niners.
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Our second pick in the first round.
And only if I was going to trade for somebody.
I'd rather have him than Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. And that's only if we sign any of the three to a multi-year deal.
WSS
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Maybe it came down to who Bill actually wanted to trade too.
SF he probably recognized a franchise heading the correct direction and would prob be able to safely secure Jimmy G
VS
Browns. Who doesn't take the best coach in the game to figure out Cleveland is probably going to struggle and within 6 months to a couple of years Jimmy G would leave cleveland to maybe a closer more dangerous FOE. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, colts, miami or even the Jets.
Put it this way. Would you turn your own 1st rounder into a 2nd rounder if that meant Pittsburgh had to lose a 24 year old Big Ben?
Eh, by that logic you'd never trade anyone ever. I mean Jimmy is a FA this year by definition, nothing is stopping him from doing what you've noted. Maybe less likely sure, but if they saw him as that strong of an asset you'd never trade him in the first place.
Eh, by that logic you'd never trade anyone ever. I mean Jimmy is a FA this year by definition, nothing is stopping him from doing what you've noted. Maybe less likely sure, but if they saw him as that strong of an asset you'd never trade him in the first place.
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