2018 Mock Drafts
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Taking away the needs of a team who would you say are the best 5 players in this draft irrespective of position ?
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Taking away the needs of a team who would you say are the best 5 players in this draft irrespective of position ?
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I love how every QB prospect in this draft is a "sit and learn" prospect... except one.
I'll take "the one."
I love how every QB prospect in this draft is a "sit and learn" prospect... except one.
I'll take "the one."
I'm really concerned about Joe Thomas returning. I think he probably WANTS to, but he's not coming back unless he's confident he can play at a high level (obviously he didn't TELL me this, just a hunch). The injury he suffered was actually one of the worst ones because of the time and training it requires to come back from. He can't work out much of his upper body, and when he finally IS able to strengthen his injured arm, he's going to be starting from close to zero as I understand (from a tricep standpoint anyway). Building up that muscle is going to take a long time, and I'm not sure when he can even begin to do it. Just looking at Joe tells me he's lost about 25 pounds, and I'm officially worried about his return. Again, I think the desire is there, but a torn triceps is no joke. As many of you probably know, the triceps is a much larger muscle group than the biceps, and it's pivotal in "pushing" and bracing actions...something extremely important for OL.
I seriously feel that Joe Thomas believes in Hue Jackson, and I especially think he's dying to play with someone like Alex Smith (or comparable veteran) at QB. Heck, Joe openly talked about wanting Drew Brees on the Browns and said he wouldn't be surprised if Drew played for another team because he hasn't signed an extension with the Saints yet, and many veteran qb's switch teams at the end of their careers. Now I can't see THAT happening, but I would have to think that one of the overriding factors an older, veteran qb considers is the strength of a team's OL, and ours is pretty good. Again, it's a zillion to one it happens, but fun to dream about!
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Joe Thomas is weighing up if we can win a game next season then if he feels we can he might return and retire right after the win whatever week it is then he can say he went out on a high
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I remembered this FWIW RIvers and Stafford, found Sanchez and Gabbert also. I believe good quarterback gurus can help. Now #1 quarterbacks?
The good news about mechanical flaws is that they can be corrected, and in some cases—like Rivers and Stafford—quarterbacks can overcome their flaws on their way to being highly productive franchise quarterbacks.
For Sanchez and Gabbert, the arm talent is there; they just have to clean up their footwork and decision-making.
Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery. Unfortunately, injuries to his shoulder and elbow lowered his release even further to the extent it seemed like way too many passes were getting batted down. It pretty much ended his tenure as starter. It was nice to see him learn from a veteran (Danielson) the year Mack and Byner both rushed for over a 1000 yards apiece. Bernie ended up starting more than half his rookie year in 85, which was very sensible considering where this team was in 1984. Lindy Infante arrived in 1986; and the excitement of the Kardiac Kids returned.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic. I heard a former NFL scout on Tampa radio saying he thinks Lamar Jackson is way too conditioned to run as soon as he sees his first target of the progressions covered. It's been practiced and perfected to the extent it's practically an instinctive reaction to pressure. He reminds me of a Blaine Gabbert with more fast twitchies.
Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery. Unfortunately, injuries to his shoulder and elbow lowered his release even further to the extent it seemed like way too many passes were getting batted down. It pretty much ended his tenure as starter. It was nice to see him learn from a veteran (Danielson) the year Mack and both both rushed for over a 1000 yards apiece. Bernie ended up starting more than half his rookie year in 85, which was very sensible considering where this team was in 1984. Lindy Infante arrived in 1986; and the excitement of the Kardiac Kids returned.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic. I heard a former NFL scout on Tampa radio saying he thinks Lamar Jackson is way too conditioned to run as soon as he sees his first target of the progressions covered. It's been practiced and perfected to the extent it's practically an instinctive reaction to pressure. He reminds me of a Blaine Gabbert with more fast twitchies.
Bernie also won a National Championship at the U and played several years there while Mark Tressman was there.
He (and maybe more Model) basically snookered him away from everyone else to go to his team the BROWNS where they had an established OL (I heard once they hadn't drafted an OL in 10 years back during that era), Mack & Byner behind him, a really good receiving corp, a good defense.......did I leave anything out?
Kosar & Kizer both have 5 letters and begin with K, that's about it.
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Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery. Unfortunately, injuries to his shoulder and elbow lowered his release even further to the extent it seemed like way too many passes were getting batted down. It pretty much ended his tenure as starter. It was nice to see him learn from a veteran (Danielson) the year Mack and both both rushed for over a 1000 yards apiece. Bernie ended up starting more than half his rookie year in 85, which was very sensible considering where this team was in 1984. Lindy Infante arrived in 1986; and the excitement of the Kardiac Kids returned.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic. I heard a former NFL scout on Tampa radio saying he thinks Lamar Jackson is way too conditioned to run as soon as he sees his first target of the progressions covered. It's been practiced and perfected to the extent it's practically an instinctive reaction to pressure. He reminds me of a Blaine Gabbert with more fast twitchies.
Bernie also won a National Championship at the U and played several years there while Mark Tressman was there.
He (and maybe more Model) basically snookered him away from everyone else to go to his team the BROWNS where they had an established OL (I heard once they hadn't drafted an OL in 10 years back during that era), Mack & Byner behind him, a really good receiving corp, a good defense.......did I leave anything out?
Kosar & Kizer both have 5 letters and begin with K, that's about it.
Bernie also won a National Championship at the U and played several years there while Mark Tressman was there.
He (and maybe more Model) basically snookered him away from everyone else to go to his team the BROWNS where they had an established OL (I heard once they hadn't drafted an OL in 10 years back during that era), Mack & Byner behind him, a really good receiving corp, a good defense.......did I leave anything out?
Kosar & Kizer both have 5 letters and begin with K, that's about it.
The moves to get Kosar were primarily engineered by Ernie Accorsi I believe. Art would not have had the acumen to make those moves.
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Even if Thomas returns for his 12th season, the Browns should use one of their five picks in Rounds 1 and 2 to draft his eventual replacement.
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"Usually" means that some are prepared.
You don't take a QB #1 overall who needs his mechanics "tweaked".
I'm trying to think of an NFL starter whose mechanics were flawed coming out of college. Anyone?
Almost every QB out of college needs their footwork, or weight transfer, or where the hold the ball while in the pocket, or something tweaked. Bernie had to come over the top more out of college.
Apparently Joe Thomas wants Drew Brees to come on over. (how cute) - Who can blame him for wanting a QB to play at a high lever Right Now?!
We're in this endless loop of wondering who our starting QB will be next year, thing. (Please get me the top rated QB with the best mechanics with pick #1......tall drink of water, preferably) - After that, we need a free safety, WR, CB, RB, OT....one of those should be there for us at #4. Then we go to the top of round two with a couple more chances to attach the list of FS, WR, CB, RB, OT. Maybe something like last year happens and we wind up back into round 1 for a third pick
I have FS very high on my draft list because I hate that we play Peppers out in the Hinterlands because of our lack of a FS. But all else equal, if an offensive player is available...draft offense...our offense cannot be allowed to be horrible any more!
Still waiting for a name...
Almost every QB out of college needs their footwork, or weight transfer, or where the hold the ball while in the pocket, or something tweaked. Bernie had to come over the top more out of college.
Bernie raised his release point? Flug disagrees... and so do I.
I remembered this FWIW RIvers and Stafford, found Sanchez and Gabbert also. I believe good quarterback gurus can help. Now #1 quarterbacks?
The good news about mechanical flaws is that they can be corrected, and in some cases—like Rivers and Stafford—quarterbacks can overcome their flaws on their way to being highly productive franchise quarterbacks.
For Sanchez and Gabbert, the arm talent is there; they just have to clean up their footwork and decision-making.
So... 2 QBs overcame flaws, which is not the same as corrected them.
How'd that footwork clean up go for Sanchez and Gabbert?
Decision-making? Just a non-specific catch-all phrase for any QB with turnover issues.
Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic.
Pretty much bad anything, Flugs.
I remember when we drafted Couch and Chris Palmer said, '... all we have to do is clean up his mechanics a little bit." And I said, "Oh sh!t..."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Still waiting for a name...
Almost every QB out of college needs their footwork, or weight transfer, or where the hold the ball while in the pocket, or something tweaked. Bernie had to come over the top more out of college.
Bernie raised his release point? Flug disagrees... and so do I.
I remembered this FWIW RIvers and Stafford, found Sanchez and Gabbert also. I believe good quarterback gurus can help. Now #1 quarterbacks?
The good news about mechanical flaws is that they can be corrected, and in some cases—like Rivers and Stafford—quarterbacks can overcome their flaws on their way to being highly productive franchise quarterbacks.
For Sanchez and Gabbert, the arm talent is there; they just have to clean up their footwork and decision-making.
So... 2 QBs overcame flaws, which is not the same as corrected them.
How'd that footwork clean up go for Sanchez and Gabbert?
Decision-making? Just a non-specific catch-all phrase for any QB with turnover issues.
Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic.
Pretty much bad anything, Flugs.
I remember when we drafted Couch and Chris Palmer said, '... all we have to do is clean up his mechanics a little bit." And I said, "Oh sh!t..."
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Still waiting for a name...
Almost every QB out of college needs their footwork, or weight transfer, or where the hold the ball while in the pocket, or something tweaked. Bernie had to come over the top more out of college.
Bernie raised his release point? Flug disagrees... and so do I.
I remembered this FWIW RIvers and Stafford, found Sanchez and Gabbert also. I believe good quarterback gurus can help. Now #1 quarterbacks?
The good news about mechanical flaws is that they can be corrected, and in some cases—like Rivers and Stafford—quarterbacks can overcome their flaws on their way to being highly productive franchise quarterbacks.
For Sanchez and Gabbert, the arm talent is there; they just have to clean up their footwork and decision-making.
So... 2 QBs overcame flaws, which is not the same as corrected them.
How'd that footwork clean up go for Sanchez and Gabbert?
Decision-making? Just a non-specific catch-all phrase for any QB with turnover issues.
Kosar didn't do too bad either. I'm glad our coaches never tried to Dr Frankenstein away his unique delivery.
IMO, cleaning up bad footwork that was practiced and perfected for the length of time starting in college makes NFL intervention almost unrealistic.
Pretty much bad anything, Flugs.
I remember when we drafted Couch and Chris Palmer said, '... all we have to do is clean up his mechanics a little bit." And I said, "Oh sh!t..."
Still waiting for a name...
Any Tackle not from Florida State Uckiversity
Edit--got a name for ya..watching Shrine Bowl, worked for steelers with Villa so.., am watching this Brett Toth from Army playing LT..He's signed up for Senior Bowl also..Ox strong, ranked 5th in run block, check,check at second level..no pass pro issues, yet..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
We talk about next years team and next year's draft at the end of November. We (me especially) have to post ridiculous topics because there is nothing to talk about Browns-wise.
I'll tell you the real fukced up thing about being a Browns fan................When the biggest names of free agency come available, we speculate, imagine, hope, and analyze, BUT........we never acquire top veteran talent. Why even talk about Cousins,or Garrapolo? The Browns are never going to be in play for these type players. They cause us to not be $60 million under the cap, and THAT is what gives Haslam a tossed salad.
Really, this franchise sucks big black ghetto Dik.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
This thread is two months late.
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Draft talk started in September 2017 for the April 2018 draft. Pro football season lasts about 2 or 3 weeks around here anymore. Thanks Jimmy!
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Really, this franchise sucks big black ghetto Dik.
You have a lot of personal up close knowledge on that subject?
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https://nflspinzone.com/2018/01/22/cleveland-browns-7-round-2018-mock-draft-vol-4/ There's a new Baker in Town..
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https://nflspinzone.com/2018/01/22/cleveland-browns-7-round-2018-mock-draft-vol-4/ There's a new Baker in Town..
https://nflspinzone.com/2018/01/22/cleveland-browns-7-round-2018-mock-draft-vol-4/ There's a new Baker in Town..
I guess anyone can work at NFL Spin zone. Even a guy who huffs gasoline.
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We talk about next years team and next year's draft at the end of November. We (me especially) have to post ridiculous topics because there is nothing to talk about Browns-wise.
I'll tell you the real fukced up thing about being a Browns fan................When the biggest names of free agency come available, we speculate, imagine, hope, and analyze, BUT........we never acquire top veteran talent. Why even talk about Cousins,or Garrapolo? The Browns are never going to be in play for these type players. They cause us to not be $60 million under the cap, and THAT is what gives Haslam a tossed salad.
Really, this franchise sucks big black ghetto Dik.
We talk about next years team and next year's draft at the end of November. We (me especially) have to post ridiculous topics because there is nothing to talk about Browns-wise.
I'll tell you the real fukced up thing about being a Browns fan................When the biggest names of free agency come available, we speculate, imagine, hope, and analyze, BUT........we never acquire top veteran talent. Why even talk about Cousins,or Garrapolo? The Browns are never going to be in play for these type players. They cause us to not be $60 million under the cap, and THAT is what gives Haslam a tossed salad.
Really, this franchise sucks big black ghetto Dik.
whats worse is draft season we all look at the top players who we could draft and they do the opposite
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We talk about next years team and next year's draft at the end of November. We (me especially) have to post ridiculous topics because there is nothing to talk about Browns-wise.
I'll tell you the real fukced up thing about being a Browns fan................When the biggest names of free agency come available, we speculate, imagine, hope, and analyze, BUT........we never acquire top veteran talent. Why even talk about Cousins,or Garrapolo? The Browns are never going to be in play for these type players. They cause us to not be $60 million under the cap, and THAT is what gives Haslam a tossed salad.
Really, this franchise sucks big black ghetto Dik.
whats worse is draft season we all look at the top players who we could draft and they do the opposite
whats worse is draft season we all look at the top players who we could draft and they do the opposite
Most every draft grade looked like the SI one from last year.......
Cleveland Browns: A-
April 29, 2017The Browns entered the draft with two first-round picks and wound up making three on Thursday: DE/OLB Myles Garrett at No. 1 overall, followed by S Jabrill Peppers (No. 25, after a trade down) and TE David Njoku (No. 29, after a trade up). The Peppers and Njoku picks, without question, indicate Cleveland wants to stockpile athleticism, even at the expense of immediate returns. The pick that really swings this class, though, happened at 52, which is where Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer landed. Hard to imagine the Browns thought he would be there when they passed on a QB several times earlier. DT Larry Ogunjobi (No. 65) and CB Howard Wilson (No. 126) are great picks for a rebuilding team—Wilson especially, because he has top-two corner upside. Using No. 185 on DT Caleb Brantley was a misstep, regardless of his talent. He recently was arrested for misdemeanor battery and accused of punching a woman........
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns' latest regime completed its second NFL Draft class on Saturday. The 10 picks included the No. 1 overall pick - defensive end Myles Garrett - along with two other first-rounders and a (maybe) quarterback of the future in DeShone Kizer.
You can get a rundown of the new Browns and even grade the draft yourself here on cleveland.com. Perhaps you'll agree with what national media had to say about it.
Here's a collection of that reaction:
NFL.COM: Chad Reuter
Reuter gave the Browns draft class an overall grade of A-. That broke down as a day one A, day two A-, day three B.
"Larry Ogunjobi is a very quick tackle who will earn the respect of interior offensive linemen in a hurry; I'll be interested to see if he can play three downs. Cleveland continued to find talent in Rounds 4-5. Cornerback Howard Wilson is a confident corner, though his athleticism is only average. Left tackle Roderick Johnson's length will serve him well once he builds strength to go along with it."
CBS SPORTS: Pete Prisco
Prisco had the Browns as one of five teams to receive an A its draft class.
"For all the criticism of the analytics crew in Cleveland, they had a heck of a draft. Aside from trading down to get Michigan's Jabrill Peppers in the first round, they added a lot of really good players. ... This draft, though, will be defined by how well second-round quarterback DeShone Kizer develops. If he is their starter for a long time, this will be a great draft. Right now, it's a damn good one."
ESPN: Todd McShay
According to McShay, tight end David Njoku, taking with the 29thoverall pick, was the Browns' best move of the draft:
"I thought the Browns should've picked Njoku with the 25th overall pick, but they traded back up to No. 29 to nab the explosive tight end. Njoku has the speed (4.59 40) to stretch the field, along with the leaping ability (40-inch vertical) to make big plays down the field. He has one of the highest overall ceilings in this class, and those are exactly the kind of players the Browns should be drafting as they rebuild their roster."
ESPN: Mel Kiper Jr.
Kiper gave the Browns a B for this year's draft class.
"The Browns had a draft that could split a fan base. How? Well, on one hand I'm not sure any team added more overall talent, plus yet another future first-round pick in the Deshaun Watson deal, which sets Cleveland up for a monster 2018 draft. On the other hand, the problem that has dragged this franchise down for years -- no franchise quarterback -- is still clearly not solved."
CBS SPORTS: Will Brinson
Brinson didn't hand out grades, but he picked winners and losers. The Browns were the first winner he mentioned.
"The Browns did work on the first day too, moving all over the place and eventually coming away with three first-round picks: Myles Garrett (1), Jabrill Peppers (25) and David Njoku (29). Garrett and Peppers will make an immediate impact on the defense, while Njoku has huge upside and will be a nice weapon out of the gate for Kizer or whoever starts. (Let's be real, Kizer is going to start.)"
THE RINGER: Danny Kelly
Kelly, highlighting the best performances of the draft, gave the Browns The Best Quarterback Value Award.
"Jackson's patience was rewarded, and the Browns ended up with one of the highest-upside prospects at the position -- a raw player with excellent arm strength and great mobility who can develop as a backup without facing the pressure that would follow a QB with top-10 billing. Cleveland can bring Kizer along slowly and benefit from adding a pair of high-impact defensive players and a potential red-zone weapon in the meantime."
SPORTS ILLUSTRATED: Chris Burke
Burke gave the Browns an A in his post-draft grades:
"The pick that really swings this class, though, happened at 52, which is where Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer landed. Hard to imagine the Browns thought he would be there when they passed on a QB several times earlier. "
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