NFL.com's Pre-Combine grades are out...
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Getting lazy, or just too busy to look it up? Trubisky 6.31, Watson 5.98, already said Kizer 5.78
Just was not sure I knew where to find it...but I did. See above.
Getting lazy, or just too busy to look it up? Trubisky 6.31, Watson 5.98, already said Kizer 5.78
Just was not sure I knew where to find it...but I did. See above.
Yeah, I was typing when you put up those numbers.. sorry about that- I deleted the comment....
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Links work to individual Bio's...
QBs:
Player Pos Ht Wt College Grade 
Watch DARNOLD, SAM QB 6'4" 220 USC 7.1 ROSEN, JOSH QB 6'4" 218 UCLA 6.1 JACKSON, LAMAR* QB 6'3" 200 Louisville 6.0 MAYFIELD, BAKER QB 6'1" 220 Oklahoma 6.0 ALLEN, JOSH QB 6'5" 233 Wyoming 5.9 FALK, LUKE QB 6'4" 225 Washington St. 5.6 RUDOLPH, MASON QB 6'5" 230 Oklahoma St. 5.6 WHITE, MIKE QB 6'4" 225 Western Kentucky 5.2 FERGUSON, RILEY QB 6'4" 210 Memphis 5.1 BENKERT, KURT QB 6'4" 215 Virginia 5.1 BRISCOE, JEREMIAH QB 6'3" 225 Sam Houston St. 5.0 FLOWERS, QUINTON QB 6'0" 210 South Florida 5.0 LEE, TANNER* QB 6'4" 220 Nebraska 5.0 SHIMONEK, NIC QB 6'3" 225 Texas Tech 4.9 BARRETT, J.T. QB 6'2" 220 Ohio St. 4.9 SILVERS, BRANDON QB 6'2" 218 Troy 4.8 STEVENS, NICK QB 6'3" 215 Colorado St. 4.8 LAULETTA, KYLE QB 6'3" 215 Richmond 4.8 Top 25:
BARKLEY, SAQUON* RB 5'11" 223 Penn St. 7.5 NELSON, QUENTON* G 6'5" 329 Notre Dame 7.4 EDMUNDS, TREMAINE* LB 6'5" 250 Virginia Tech 7.2 CHUBB, BRADLEY DE 6'4" 275 N.C. State 7.2 DARNOLD, SAM QB 6'4" 220 USC 7.1 RIDLEY, CALVIN* WR 6'1" 190 Alabama 7.0 PAYNE, DA'RON DT 6'2" 308 Alabama 6.6 SMITH, ROQUAN* LB 6'1" 225 Georgia 6.5 VEA, VITA* DT 6'4" 344 Washington 6.5 FITZPATRICK, MINKAH DB 6'1" 201 Alabama 6.5 JAMES, DERWIN DB 6'3" 215 Florida St. 6.4 EVANS, RASHAAN LB 6'3" 234 Alabama 6.2 LANDRY, HAROLD OLB 6'3" 250 Boston College 6.2 BROWN, ORLANDO* OT 6'8" 360 Oklahoma 6.2 ROSEN, JOSH QB 6'4" 218 UCLA 6.1 JACKSON, JOSH CB 6'1" 192 Iowa 6.1 WARD, DENZEL* CB 5'10" 191 Ohio St. 6.1 HERNANDEZ, WILL OG 6'2" 348 Texas-El Paso 6.1 JACKSON, LAMAR* QB 6'3" 200 Louisville 6.0 MCGLINCHEY, MIKE OT 6'8" 312 Notre Dame 6.0 DANIELS, JAMES* C 6'4" 295 Iowa 6.0 MAYFIELD, BAKER QB 6'1" 220 Oklahoma 6.0 WYNN, ISAIAH OG 6'2" 300 Georgia 5.9 ALLEN, JOSH QB 6'5" 233 Wyoming 5.9 HURST, MAURICE DT 6'2" 282 Michigan St. 5.9 Links work to individual Bio's...
QBs:
Player Pos Ht Wt College Grade Watch DARNOLD, SAM QB 6'4" 220 USC 7.1 ROSEN, JOSH QB 6'4" 218 UCLA 6.1 JACKSON, LAMAR* QB 6'3" 200 Louisville 6.0 MAYFIELD, BAKER QB 6'1" 220 Oklahoma 6.0 ALLEN, JOSH QB 6'5" 233 Wyoming 5.9 FALK, LUKE QB 6'4" 225 Washington St. 5.6 RUDOLPH, MASON QB 6'5" 230 Oklahoma St. 5.6 WHITE, MIKE QB 6'4" 225 Western Kentucky 5.2 FERGUSON, RILEY QB 6'4" 210 Memphis 5.1 BENKERT, KURT QB 6'4" 215 Virginia 5.1 BRISCOE, JEREMIAH QB 6'3" 225 Sam Houston St. 5.0 FLOWERS, QUINTON QB 6'0" 210 South Florida 5.0 LEE, TANNER* QB 6'4" 220 Nebraska 5.0 SHIMONEK, NIC QB 6'3" 225 Texas Tech 4.9 BARRETT, J.T. QB 6'2" 220 Ohio St. 4.9 SILVERS, BRANDON QB 6'2" 218 Troy 4.8 STEVENS, NICK QB 6'3" 215 Colorado St. 4.8 LAULETTA, KYLE QB 6'3" 215 Richmond 4.8 Top 25:
BARKLEY, SAQUON* RB 5'11" 223 Penn St. 7.5 NELSON, QUENTON* G 6'5" 329 Notre Dame 7.4 EDMUNDS, TREMAINE* LB 6'5" 250 Virginia Tech 7.2 CHUBB, BRADLEY DE 6'4" 275 N.C. State 7.2 DARNOLD, SAM QB 6'4" 220 USC 7.1 RIDLEY, CALVIN* WR 6'1" 190 Alabama 7.0 PAYNE, DA'RON DT 6'2" 308 Alabama 6.6 SMITH, ROQUAN* LB 6'1" 225 Georgia 6.5 VEA, VITA* DT 6'4" 344 Washington 6.5 FITZPATRICK, MINKAH DB 6'1" 201 Alabama 6.5 JAMES, DERWIN DB 6'3" 215 Florida St. 6.4 EVANS, RASHAAN LB 6'3" 234 Alabama 6.2 LANDRY, HAROLD OLB 6'3" 250 Boston College 6.2 BROWN, ORLANDO* OT 6'8" 360 Oklahoma 6.2 ROSEN, JOSH QB 6'4" 218 UCLA 6.1 JACKSON, JOSH CB 6'1" 192 Iowa 6.1 WARD, DENZEL* CB 5'10" 191 Ohio St. 6.1 HERNANDEZ, WILL OG 6'2" 348 Texas-El Paso 6.1 JACKSON, LAMAR* QB 6'3" 200 Louisville 6.0 MCGLINCHEY, MIKE OT 6'8" 312 Notre Dame 6.0 DANIELS, JAMES* C 6'4" 295 Iowa 6.0 MAYFIELD, BAKER QB 6'1" 220 Oklahoma 6.0 WYNN, ISAIAH OG 6'2" 300 Georgia 5.9 ALLEN, JOSH QB 6'5" 233 Wyoming 5.9 HURST, MAURICE DT 6'2" 282 Michigan St. 5.9 It appears that they have a few more higher rated players than last year...but last year had more 6.0 rated players. Last year only one player above 7.0. This year there are 5.
Garrett, Myles DE 6'4" 272 Texas A&M Pick 1, Round 1 (1) Browns 7.6 Thomas, Solomon DE 6'3" 273 Stanford Pick 3, Round 1 (3) 49ers 6.8 Allen, Jonathan DE 6'3" 286 Alabama Pick 17, Round 1 (17) Redskins 6.8 Fournette, Leonard RB 6'0" 240 LSU Pick 4, Round 1 (4) Jaguars 6.8 Hooker, Malik S 6'1" 206 Ohio St. Pick 15, Round 1 (15) Colts 6.7 Adams, Jamal S 6'0" 214 LSU Pick 6, Round 1 (6) Jets 6.6 Lattimore, Marshon CB 6'0" 193 Ohio St. Pick 11, Round 1 (11) Saints 6.5 Howard, O.J. TE 6'6" 251 Alabama Pick 19, Round 1 (19) Buccaneers 6.5 Charlton, Taco DE 6'6" 277 Michigan Pick 28, Round 1 (28) Cowboys 6.3 Njoku, David TE 6'4" 246 Miami Pick 29, Round 1 (29) Browns 6.3 Reddick, Haason LB 6'1" 237 Temple Pick 13, Round 1 (13) Cardinals 6.3 Foster, Reuben LB 6'0" 229 Alabama Pick 31, Round 1 (31) 49ers 6.3 Trubisky, Mitchell QB 6'2" 222 North Carolina Pick 2, Round 1 (2) Bears 6.3 Williams, Mike WR 6'4" 218 Clemson Pick 7, Round 1 (7) Chargers 6.2 Cook, Dalvin RB 5'10" 210 Florida St. Pick 9, Round 2 (41) Vikings 6.2 Davis, Corey WR 6'3" 209 Western Michigan Pick 5, Round 1 (5) Titans 6.2 McDowell, Malik DT 6'6" 295 Michigan St. Pick 3, Round 2 (35) Seahawks 6.2 McKinley, Takkarist DE 6'2" 250 UCLA Pick 26, Round 1 (26) Falcons 6.2 Ramczyk, Ryan OT 6'6" 310 Wisconsin Pick 32, Round 1 (32) Saints 6.2 Lamp, Forrest OG 6'4" 309 Western Kentucky Pick 6, Round 2 (38) Chargers 6.2 Barnett, Derek DE 6'3" 259 Tennessee Pick 14, Round 1 (14) Eagles 6.1 Ross, John WR 5'11" 188 Washington Pick 9, Round 1 (9) Bengals 6.1 Humphrey, Marlon CB 6'0" 197 Alabama Pick 16, Round 1 (16) Ravens 6.1 Brantley, Caleb DT 6'3" 307 Florida Pick 1, Round 6 (185) Browns 6.1 Robinson, Cam OT 6'6" 322 Alabama Pick 2, Round 2 (34) Jaguars 6.0 -
What about this guy....he is rated the third best recruit on this NFL.com grade. Is he a MLB or an OLB?
I mean...I think we could use a pure OLB. We have what I consider to be 3 MLBs playing the 3 LB spots: Kirksey, Schobert, Collins.
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7.28?- 6'5"HEIGHT
- 250LBS.WEIGHT
OVERVIEW
Edmunds is the son of Ferrell Edmunds, a two-time Pro Bowler at tight end with Miami (1989-90). Three of Ferrell's sons actually signed not with his alma mater of Maryland, but with the Hokies (though the oldest, Trey, transferred to play running back at Maryland for his final season in 2016). Tremaine and his brother, Terrell (safety), are now leaders on Tech's defense. One of the top linebacker recruits in the country, Tremaine played in 13 games as a true freshman, starting twice, recording 11 tackles on the year. His 2.5 tackles for loss came against Tulsa in the Independence Bowl, portending his successful sophomore year. Edmunds, who is tall and long for a stack linebacker, attacked open lanes to become a second-team All-ACC pick in 2016, starting 14 times and compiling 106 tackles, 18.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks. He had an interception in the team’s Belk Bowl appearance against Arkansas. NFL scouts loved what they saw from Edmunds as a junior, as did the Associated Press, who named him third-team All-American. He was also a first-team All-ACC selection in 2017, recording a team-high 109 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, 5.5 sacks, and three forced fumbles.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Unique size with long limbs and a rangy frame. Wears his weight with ease. Frame is destined to become even more imposing with additional weight work. Feet pump and trigger like pistons. Excellent lateral quickness to scrape and stalk. Uses his size and speed to cast a wide, playmaking net and cover large swaths of grass. Twitches for a second when it is time to make a play. Spins out of blocks to find his way back into the play. Combines length with rare reactive athleticism and agility to access and tackle opportunities from unconventional angles. Captures and finishes as a tackler at highly efficient rate. Elite traits help to create sensational production across the board. Disruptive in all phases. Electric as "add-on" rusher when back stays in. Has length and burst to affect pocket as edge rusher. Effective man cover talent with ability to match shifty running backs and bulky tight ends.WEAKNESSES
Instincts are average and relies on athletic gifts. Can be a step slow to diagnose. Lured by misdirection. Will take random downhill paths that trap him in the quagmire. Patience is lacking. Races ahead of plays and voids his leverage and run fits at times. Needs to add more upper and lower body strength. Average base strength and high center of gravity create issues holding up at the point of attack. Needs to be quicker to punch in order to maintain clearance. Mental busts in man coverage hurt his team. Takes time to process moving pieces.DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 1SOURCES TELL US
"Good luck with your player comp on this one. They don't come like him. I don't think there has ever been a linebacker that has had his size and speed. You're better off comping him with a basketball player." -- NFC regional scoutNFL COMPARISON
Brian Urlacher
Or...with this comparison does this mean that he is pretty much also an MLB?
BOTTOM LINE
Edmunds combines elite size, speed and explosiveness into a productive, versatile linebacker package that will have evaluators salivating. Edmunds has posted high-impact production over the last two seasons and he still has room to get bigger and better. Edmunds will make mental mistakes and his instincts are subpar, but he has an ability to mitigate those issues with his athletic ability. Edmunds can play in any alignment at any linebacker spot and has All-Pro potential no matter where he lands. -Lance Zierlein -
The one guy who quietly slipped into the top group in this ranking is Calvin Ridley. I thought he belonged, but hadn't been seeing a lot of "lists" putting him in the discussion for our 4th pick.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The one guy who quietly slipped into the top group in this ranking is Calvin Ridley. I thought he belonged, but hadn't been seeing a lot of "lists" putting him in the discussion for our 4th pick.
The one guy who quietly slipped into the top group in this ranking is Calvin Ridley. I thought he belonged, but hadn't been seeing a lot of "lists" putting him in the discussion for our 4th pick.
Glad to see that. I figured Ridley may have been somewhat overlooked due to his QB & not being utilized enough.
Mike
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“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
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“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
Not really. "Forced to move" has to mean out of the pocket and Rosen's top asset is his ability to move all around in the pocket and climb it as he senses people closing in. He's not a happy feet guy like Darnold and Allen. He makes the pocket work for him just like you want to see out of a pro QB. Mayfield is a tweener in that he tends to stay in it, but quickly will run keeping his eyes downfield as he approaches the LOS.
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“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
Not really. "Forced to move" has to mean out of the pocket and Rosen's top asset is his ability to move all around in the pocket and climb it as he senses people closing in. He's not a happy feet guy like Darnold and Allen. He makes the pocket work for him just like you want to see out of a pro QB. Mayfield is a tweener in that he tends to stay in it, but quickly will run keeping his eyes downfield as he approaches the LOS.
Not really. "Forced to move" has to mean out of the pocket and Rosen's top asset is his ability to move all around in the pocket and climb it as he senses people closing in. He's not a happy feet guy like Darnold and Allen. He makes the pocket work for him just like you want to see out of a pro QB. Mayfield is a tweener in that he tends to stay in it, but quickly will run keeping his eyes downfield as he approaches the LOS.
I think figuring out what they mean by "forced to move" would help things a bit. If they mean when he has to move up in the pocket etc. then I take pause. If they mean, when having to roll out, still not pleased but not shi-tting glass over it.
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“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
I would be curious what the same stat would be for say, Tom Brady. Similar?
Though I would expect that a similar stat for Aaron Rodgers and Ben R. would be much better
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“Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move.”
I had not seen that stat about Rosen. Any of the pro-Rosen folks concerned about that stat?
Not really. "Forced to move" has to mean out of the pocket and Rosen's top asset is his ability to move all around in the pocket and climb it as he senses people closing in. He's not a happy feet guy like Darnold and Allen. He makes the pocket work for him just like you want to see out of a pro QB. Mayfield is a tweener in that he tends to stay in it, but quickly will run keeping his eyes downfield as he approaches the LOS.
Not really. "Forced to move" has to mean out of the pocket and Rosen's top asset is his ability to move all around in the pocket and climb it as he senses people closing in.
Agree... much of the time when Rosen is flushed out of the pocket he ends up throwing the ball away so the raw number is not damning. Should be an adjusted number floating around somewhere.
In the age of "get outside the tackle box" I'd be shocked if every QB's "forced to move" numbers aren't similarly depressed.
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