Blowing up the QB rankings
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Josh Allen - BUST. This to me, is the guy who fits all the prototypes and tools and measurables everyone thinks is important, except the part that matters, wich is he isn't accurate. He didn't demostrate in college that he is progressively getting more accurate. Some old school GM's are going to say "wow, look at this big tall kid with the big arm" and think that equates to being a franchise QB. It's not 1977 anymore. You can't win in the NFL with a sub 60% completion percentage and throw 22 picks with 19 INTS. That's what Allen will be.
ah. well, https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sam-darnold-1.html
Darnold had 26 TD's, and 13 INTs. 2017. You cherry-picked 2016 for Allen, and you didn't get that right. He had "22 picks with 19 INT's"? WRONG.
I reckon most of us think a "pick" is an INT. Regardless, it was 28 TD's 15 Ints. So, compare Darnold 26/15 with Allen's JR year of 28/15.
Here, we display them vertically for you:
26/13 (Darnold 2017)
28/15 (Allen 2016)
in 2017, Allen threw about 100 less passes - pro style offense, lost some key players - ran more. 16 TDs, 6 Ints.
Josh Allen has an accuracy problem, well, God Bless ya, everybody knows that. The question is - with his athleticism and work ethic and love for the game - is that coachable and solvable when he gets to the pros? this also applies to Darnold - he has a windup like a pitcher in baseball, etc.
But if you are going to go with stats, at least get the stats right.
ah. well, https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sam-darnold-1.html
Darnold had 26 TD's, and 13 INTs. 2017. You cherry-picked 2016 for Allen, and you didn't get that right. He had "22 picks with 19 INT's"? WRONG.
I reckon most of us think a "pick" is an INT. Regardless, it was 28 TD's 15 Ints. So, compare Darnold 26/15 with Allen's JR year of 28/15.
Here, we display them vertically for you:
26/13 (Darnold 2017)
28/15 (Allen 2016)
in 2017, Allen threw about 100 less passes - pro style offense, lost some key players - ran more. 16 TDs, 6 Ints.
Josh Allen has an accuracy problem, well, God Bless ya, everybody knows that. The question is - with his athleticism and work ethic and love for the game - is that coachable and solvable when he gets to the pros? this also applies to Darnold - he has a windup like a pitcher in baseball, etc.
But if you are going to go with stats, at least get the stats right.
I didn't say Allen had 22 picks and 19 Ints...that's the kind of 1977 ish QB I project him to be.
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ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
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ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
Since he starts from the lowest downside....when he reaches his upside...he will just be as equally behind the others as he is now.
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ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
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ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
He has thrown for a 56% completion rate two years in a row in a weak conference. That seems like a big problem to me. Should have been a noticable increase....56%? He is going to get a GM and coach fired within 2 years.
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Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
He has thrown for a 56% completion rate two years in a row in a weak conference. That seems like a big problem to me. Should have been a noticable increase....56%? He is going to get a GM and coach fired within 2 years.
He has thrown for a 56% completion rate two years in a row in a weak conference. That seems like a big problem to me. Should have been a noticable increase....56%? He is going to get a GM and coach fired within 2 years.
I dont buy that Allen is in this pro style offense with top tier coaching.
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ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
We won't get into the accuracy debate again Cal- you know how I feel. Allen may have the highest upside, but he also has the lowest floor. Fumble-itis is more easily corrected than accuracy problems.
About total agreement with Mahomo. Right now, I have it Darnold\Mayfield, Mayfield\Darnold. I'll wait until after the combine to officially join a camp. But you're wrong about Mayfield in a couple respects. He has plenty enough NFL arm. I could be wrong, but my eyes tell me post Super Bowl slightly better than Foles or Brady. (yeah, your guy Allen probably would rate up there on the 10 point scale with Elway's 9.0 in arm strength, but it takes more than that) Mayfield's accuracy is such I don't much care he had guys wide open. Accuracy is accuracy- if the WR is wide open- or he's got a NFL CB hanging on the guy's back. I've seen too many pinpoint passes out of Baker to think otherwise. Couple endzone throws where he threaded the needle between defenders too.
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Robert Klemko Retweeted The MMQB
The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner
At 1 or at 4 ?
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Robert Klemko Retweeted The MMQB
The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner
At 1 or at 4 ?
Robert Klemko Retweeted The MMQB
The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner
At 1 or at 4 ?
6'0 QB with maturity issues from Big 12 school.
That would take some brass balls from Dorsey.
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I do like the kid, though.
Here's a great article on him:
weaknesses from Walter Football:
Weaknesses:
- Undersized; shorter than ideal
- Poor footwork
- Gets happy feet in the pocket
- Inconsistent field vision
- Can have issues reading the field
- Teams question how will he perform when forced to stay in the pocket?
- Didn't play a lot of top competition
- Maturity
- Will need more development for working under center
- Transition from a college-style to pro-style offense
"Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength,..."
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018bmayfield.php#ixzz56Z4kvFZt -
ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...
Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
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https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/8/16953726/krupkas-baker-mayfield-film-room film room on Mayfield..agree or disagree?
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NFL Radio's Pat Kerwin (Moving the Chains Show) spent the week at the senior bowl and thought Mayfield would be the best pick for the Browns.
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Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
Would you take them in the 1st round today?
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Would you take them in the 1st round today?
Is this somehow meant to validate your argument? Because hindsight is kind of a cowpoop way to prove your point.
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Would you take them in the 1st round today?
Is this somehow meant to validate your argument? Because hindsight is kind of a cowpoop way to prove your point.
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Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round.
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Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round.
You're right, I forgot Favre was taken at the 1st pick of the 2nd round.
For some reason I thought he was a 1st round, tail end kind of pick.
Point further proven. None of those QB's were taken in the 1st round.
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