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  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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    The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner

    At 1 or at 4 ?

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    Robert Klemko Retweeted The MMQB

    The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner

    At 1 or at 4 ?

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @darren15 said:

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    Robert Klemko Retweeted The MMQB

    The Browns got on Baker Mayfield's private visit schedule right after the Super Bowl, I'm told. They top list of likely destinations for the Heisman winner

    At 1 or at 4 ?

    6'0 QB with maturity issues from Big 12 school.

    That would take some brass balls from Dorsey. 

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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    I do like the kid, though.

    Here's a great article on him:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000889241/article/wilson-or-manziel-the-good-bad-with-ou-qb-baker-mayfield

    weaknesses from Walter Football:

    Weaknesses:

    • Undersized; shorter than ideal
    • Poor footwork
    • Gets happy feet in the pocket
    • Inconsistent field vision
    • Can have issues reading the field
    • Teams question how will he perform when forced to stay in the pocket?
    • Didn't play a lot of top competition
    • Maturity
    • Will need more development for working under center
    • Transition from a college-style to pro-style offense
    •  
    "Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength,..."


    Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018bmayfield.php#ixzz56Z4kvFZt

  • @calfoxwc said:

    ah. We'll just have to see what all happens. I think Allen has the highest upside. Darnold has turnovers/fumbles problem...

    Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash,  Brady, Brees and Farve improved.

    Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @boo-fagley said:

    Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash,  Brady, Brees and Farve improved.

    Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/8/16953726/krupkas-baker-mayfield-film-room   film room on Mayfield..agree or disagree?   

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    NFL Radio's Pat Kerwin (Moving the Chains Show) spent the week at the senior bowl and thought Mayfield would be the best pick for the Browns.

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash,  Brady, Brees and Farve improved.

    Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    Would you take them in the 1st round today?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    Would you take them in the 1st round today?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @boo-fagley said:

    Would you take them in the 1st round today?

    Is this somehow meant to validate your argument?  Because hindsight is kind of a cowpoop way to prove your point. 

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Would you take them in the 1st round today?

    Is this somehow meant to validate your argument?  Because hindsight is kind of a cowpoop way to prove your point. 

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    Is this somehow meant to validate your argument?  Because hindsight is kind of a cowpoop way to prove your point. 

    but that goes both ways, yes?

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash,  Brady, Brees and Farve improved.

    Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    R RoyceRolls wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round. 

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @roycerolls said:

    Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round. 

    You're right, I forgot Favre was taken at the 1st pick of the 2nd round. 

    For some reason I thought he was a 1st round, tail end kind of pick.    

    Point further proven.  None of those QB's were taken in the 1st round.

  • NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

  • We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @nero said:

    We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

    Geeezzz I wish the draft was next week! 

  • We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @nero said:

    We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

    Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    llen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash,  Brady, Brees and Farve improved.

    Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.

    2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round. 

    Actually.....technically....none of them were.   Brady...6th round as you know.  Favre was a second rounder...#33    As was Brees.   Now...he went #32...but at the time there were only 31 picks in the first round.....and he was the first pick of the second round.

  • @nero said:

    We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again??? 

    I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.

    Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.

    Exactly.   Why do we want another big, strong, athletic QB who is inaccurate?   We already have Kizer on the roster, why draft another version of him this year? 

  • Mike HM Mike H wrote on last edited by
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    Tiamat is an insufferable dickwad.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    Kizer doesn't love the game. Kizer isn't much of a leader on the field, or off it, he has little fire in him. He looks only at ONE THIRD of the field every play. AS in, every...single....play. It's all he can do, apparently. Allen can look one way, and throw the other - he never had the talent around him that Notre Dame has.

    Allen "is Kizer" = Mayfield "is Manziel".

    just really dumb. Kizer is a tall kid who has a big arm who can play a little football. Allen is a tall kid with a big arm, who IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER. In that regard, Allen is a lot like Mayfield. He LOVES the game. He LIVES the game. It seems Kizer doesn't love much of anything.

    Kizer interviews after a lost football game like he just got pulled over for speeding 10 mph over the speed limit and is getting a warning. His first season, he threw a 62.x completion percentage. He's a "star"...wait, his last year it went down to 56.x percent. He's "a bust"

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    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Mayfield is a heck of a kid. Give him a couple of inch higher platform shoes, and an arm like Allen's, and I'd draft him over Allen. lol

    My dumb opinion - the Browns will go with Mayfield or Allen, with the first pick. It depends on Allen at his pro day and conbine - he will have to show terrific accuracy and touch....or the choice swings to Mayfield right there.

    They will trade out of the four pick, and and get one of three free safeties with the other pick. There are only three fs in this draft - the Browns need one of them, and I think all three are gone by the second round.

    Who knows. I sure don't. lol

  • Tiamat is an insufferable dickwad.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @mike-h said:

    Tiamat is an insufferable dickwad.

    Hand to God, I laughed pretty hard.  Thanks because I needed that.