McCarron Unrestricted Free Agent
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A.J. McCarron is going to the Vikings, that's my guess. They're a playoff team, McCarron knows their head coach quite well from Cincinnati, and they aren't 1-31 in their last 2 seasons.
The Browns aren't getting Kirk Cousins, so let's not engage in any further fantasy nonsense. I already had my fantasy moment by hoping Alex Smith would come here, and that's enough hope for one offseason. Who are we going to get? Obviously, we're going to get the same crap we've always gotten. The cast off, washed up, oft-injured, has-been, looking for money QB that always go to bad teams, and that's not going to suddenly change for the worst team in NFL history.
In other words, welcome to the Cleveland Browns Josh McCown, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels, or whoever the rest of the league DOESN'T want. That's how it works. We're likely to sign an older veteran with an injury history, and I'm guessing this guy gets injured around week 4 or 5. That's when the REAL fun starts. Why? Because that's the exact moment our coaches will have to determine whether they want to play our shiny new 1st round QB, or if they want to play Deshone Kizer. Won't THAT just be a joy to witness? Play the human turnover machine or ruin our shiny new QB? Fun times. Our only chance for finally fixing the QB quandary is to somehow, some way, by the grace of God, draft the right guy. Lord knows we're due, but suffice to say I have no confidence in it actually happening. We're going to trade the #1 pick and take whichever QB is left at 4...watch.
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OK Ghoolie, exactly how do we tell if McCarron comes to the Browns that Dorsey really didn't want him? What if he comes because Dorsey DOES want him and isn't just fetching coffee? Get my drift? No way to prove whether or not he likes him, especially if we are in a bidding war now for his services with other teams that also want him. So your claim has no way of being proven or disproven if he shows in Cleveland.
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Why do people debate any point that Ghoolie makes? He is a self admitted troll.
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Why do people debate any point that Ghoolie makes? He is a self admitted troll.
Why do people debate any point that Ghoolie makes? He is a self admitted troll.
Passes the time after 1-31 and waiting for the combine/draft.
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1+1 really seems to equal 2 based on this development. Honestly, I'd be totally fine with it as long as we still draft a top guy this year too. Chicago showed a good example of just because you bring in a FA QB doesn't mean he has to be your guy. If he ends up being elite, even better.
I think AJ is also a very logical piece of the puzzle too. Cousins is a pipe dream and other guys (keenum, bradford, etc) will be more attractive than AJ will.
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Hue just got hard for AJ. Expect a deal to be done immediately unless you believe that Ghoolie's theory of Dorsey being a yes-man and coffee fetcher to be incorrect.
Hue just got hard for AJ. Expect a deal to be done immediately unless you believe that Ghoolie's theory of Dorsey being a yes-man and coffee fetcher to be incorrect.
Can't be done immediately....not officially.
Under the rules they cannot even talk until like March 12.
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There are two kinds of men in the world. There are leaders, and there are coffee fetchers. You cannot judge a man by his failures, but instead by the manner in which he fails. leader don't fear failure, they loathe it, and swing both fists, all out, balls to the wall to conquer the universe as they see fit. A coffee fetcher, on the other hands, also hates failure but from the very first day he is put on center stage, begins positioning himself for longevity and position to lay blame elsewhere.
Dorsey is a coffee fetcher, and I urge you all, especially those most irritated by me, to earmark this post. Copy it as pdf, do whatever homo-millennial-digital queer thing you idiots do nowadays to archive something. That he came to Cleveland with the call from all of us to be a hero, a leader, a conqueror, he instead chose to position himself in a no-lose situation. By acquiescing to Haslam's committment to Hue, Dorsey risks nothing and picks up his first "get out of jail free" card. After Hue gets fired, Dorsey can say, "after a year observing, I am ready to get the right guy". Everyone is happy, and nobody expects him to turn it around for a few years..............because of sins of the past.
I will bet dollars to donuts that Dorkey buys his second "get out of jail free" card by backing off and letting Hue take McCarron. Regardless how McCarron does, Dorkey looks good.
We will see what happens but my bet is on McCarron.
There are two kinds of men in the world. There are leaders, and there are coffee fetchers. You cannot judge a man by his failures, but instead by the manner in which he fails. leader don't fear failure, they loathe it, and swing both fists, all out, balls to the wall to conquer the universe as they see fit. A coffee fetcher, on the other hands, also hates failure but from the very first day he is put on center stage, begins positioning himself for longevity and position to lay blame elsewhere.
Dorsey is a coffee fetcher, and I urge you all, especially those most irritated by me, to earmark this post. Copy it as pdf, do whatever homo-millennial-digital queer thing you idiots do nowadays to archive something. That he came to Cleveland with the call from all of us to be a hero, a leader, a conqueror, he instead chose to position himself in a no-lose situation. By acquiescing to Haslam's committment to Hue, Dorsey risks nothing and picks up his first "get out of jail free" card. After Hue gets fired, Dorsey can say, "after a year observing, I am ready to get the right guy". Everyone is happy, and nobody expects him to turn it around for a few years..............because of sins of the past.
I will bet dollars to donuts that Dorkey buys his second "get out of jail free" card by backing off and letting Hue take McCarron. Regardless how McCarron does, Dorkey looks good.
We will see what happens but my bet is on McCarron.
Actually....there are 3 types: Leaders, coffee fetchers, and guys that do neither but just sit back and bitch, whine, moan and complain and make pontifications about stuff they know nothing about.
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There are two kinds of men in the world. There are leaders, and there are coffee fetchers. You cannot judge a man by his failures, but instead by the manner in which he fails. leader don't fear failure, they loathe it, and swing both fists, all out, balls to the wall to conquer the universe as they see fit. A coffee fetcher, on the other hands, also hates failure but from the very first day he is put on center stage, begins positioning himself for longevity and position to lay blame elsewhere.
Dorsey is a coffee fetcher, and I urge you all, especially those most irritated by me, to earmark this post. Copy it as pdf, do whatever homo-millennial-digital queer thing you idiots do nowadays to archive something. That he came to Cleveland with the call from all of us to be a hero, a leader, a conqueror, he instead chose to position himself in a no-lose situation. By acquiescing to Haslam's committment to Hue, Dorsey risks nothing and picks up his first "get out of jail free" card. After Hue gets fired, Dorsey can say, "after a year observing, I am ready to get the right guy". Everyone is happy, and nobody expects him to turn it around for a few years..............because of sins of the past.
I will bet dollars to donuts that Dorkey buys his second "get out of jail free" card by backing off and letting Hue take McCarron. Regardless how McCarron does, Dorkey looks good.
We will see what happens but my bet is on McCarron.
There are two kinds of men in the world. There are leaders, and there are coffee fetchers. You cannot judge a man by his failures, but instead by the manner in which he fails. leader don't fear failure, they loathe it, and swing both fists, all out, balls to the wall to conquer the universe as they see fit. A coffee fetcher, on the other hands, also hates failure but from the very first day he is put on center stage, begins positioning himself for longevity and position to lay blame elsewhere.
Dorsey is a coffee fetcher, and I urge you all, especially those most irritated by me, to earmark this post. Copy it as pdf, do whatever homo-millennial-digital queer thing you idiots do nowadays to archive something. That he came to Cleveland with the call from all of us to be a hero, a leader, a conqueror, he instead chose to position himself in a no-lose situation. By acquiescing to Haslam's committment to Hue, Dorsey risks nothing and picks up his first "get out of jail free" card. After Hue gets fired, Dorsey can say, "after a year observing, I am ready to get the right guy". Everyone is happy, and nobody expects him to turn it around for a few years..............because of sins of the past.
I will bet dollars to donuts that Dorkey buys his second "get out of jail free" card by backing off and letting Hue take McCarron. Regardless how McCarron does, Dorkey looks good.
We will see what happens but my bet is on McCarron.
My bet is probably on McCarron too- but not because Dorsey is sucking up to Hue. Take a look at who else is out there. Cousins? If Smith didn't want to go to the Browns you think Kirk will? He's going to a team like the Vikings, Bills, or Broncos. Drew Brees is going nowhere, and will finish his career out with the Saints. I wouldn't mind bringing back Helicopter McCown after the decent season he had with the Jets, but would he want to come back? Everything else is assorted versions of garbage. Glassman Bradford, Fitzpatrick, I could keep going. Eagles won't part with Foles short of a first round pick.
Here's an unbiased view Tom- take the time to read it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-aj-mccarron-landing-spots-browns-get-a-second-chance-at-quarterback/
So sure, if it's only a quick fix you're after, you make Cousins the richest QB in NFL history- after I've been telling you Redskins fans don't think he's worth it, draft Barkley and overdraft Ridley. I want the Browns to return to the Glory Days of the 60s when they were in the mix every year for a decade, not a flash in the pan one and done.
So, if the Browns play their cards right in the draft and nail at least 3 out of the top five picks, pick up a quality positional FA or two, like Jarvis Landry WR. Hue could save his job by going at least 7-9. If Jackson stinks right out of the gate with improved talent- Dorsey will have no qualms canning Hue before the bye- don't forget both the OC and DC were head coaches in the past.
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There are two kinds of men in the world. There are leaders, and there are coffee fetchers. You cannot judge a man by his failures, but instead by the manner in which he fails. leader don't fear failure, they loathe it, and swing both fists, all out, balls to the wall to conquer the universe as they see fit. A coffee fetcher, on the other hands, also hates failure but from the very first day he is put on center stage, begins positioning himself for longevity and position to lay blame elsewhere.
Dorsey is a coffee fetcher, and I urge you all, especially those most irritated by me, to earmark this post. Copy it as pdf, do whatever homo-millennial-digital queer thing you idiots do nowadays to archive something. That he came to Cleveland with the call from all of us to be a hero, a leader, a conqueror, he instead chose to position himself in a no-lose situation. By acquiescing to Haslam's committment to Hue, Dorsey risks nothing and picks up his first "get out of jail free" card. After Hue gets fired, Dorsey can say, "after a year observing, I am ready to get the right guy". Everyone is happy, and nobody expects him to turn it around for a few years..............because of sins of the past.
I will bet dollars to donuts that Dorkey buys his second "get out of jail free" card by backing off and letting Hue take McCarron. Regardless how McCarron does, Dorkey looks good.
We will see what happens but my bet is on McCarron.
My bet is probably on McCarron too- but not because Dorsey is sucking up to Hue. Take a look at who else is out there. Cousins? If Smith didn't want to go to the Browns you think Kirk will? He's going to a team like the Vikings, Bills, or Broncos. Drew Brees is going nowhere, and will finish his career out with the Saints. I wouldn't mind bringing back Helicopter McCown after the decent season he had with the Jets, but would he want to come back? Everything else is assorted versions of garbage. Glassman Bradford, Fitzpatrick, I could keep going. Eagles won't part with Foles short of a first round pick.
Here's an unbiased view Tom- take the time to read it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-aj-mccarron-landing-spots-browns-get-a-second-chance-at-quarterback/
So sure, if it's only a quick fix you're after, you make Cousins the richest QB in NFL history- after I've been telling you Redskins fans don't think he's worth it, draft Barkley and overdraft Ridley. I want the Browns to return to the Glory Days of the 60s when they were in the mix every year for a decade, not a flash in the pan one and done.
So, if the Browns play their cards right in the draft and nail at least 3 out of the top five picks, pick up a quality positional FA or two, like Jarvis Landry WR. Hue could save his job by going at least 7-9. If Jackson stinks right out of the gate with improved talent- Dorsey will have no qualms canning Hue before the bye- don't forget both the OC and DC were head coaches in the past.
So sure, if it's only a quick fix you're after, you make Cousins the richest QB in NFL history- after I've been telling you Redskins fans don't think he's worth it, draft Barkley and overdraft Ridley. I want the Browns to return to the Glory Days of the 60s when they were in the mix every year for a decade, not a flash in the pan one and done.
I don't really care what Redskins fans say, Kirk is objectively worth it. If Jimmy G. got what he got, a QB like Cousins who has been top 15 in QBR (including being 6th both in 2015 and 2016) for three years deserves it too. Heck, you can even justify his down year a good bit seeing as they lost something like 6 OL last season. Cousins by about any metric you can choose is a top 10-12 QB in the NFL right now.
The day we ink Cousins would instantly make him the best QB Cleveland has had since 1999. I just think it's a pipe dream he'd pick Cleveland over several other teams with as much of a QB need as we do.
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A.J. McCarron is going to the Vikings, that's my guess. They're a playoff team, McCarron knows their head coach quite well from Cincinnati, and they aren't 1-31 in their last 2 seasons.
The Browns aren't getting Kirk Cousins, so let's not engage in any further fantasy nonsense. I already had my fantasy moment by hoping Alex Smith would come here, and that's enough hope for one offseason. Who are we going to get? Obviously, we're going to get the same crap we've always gotten. The cast off, washed up, oft-injured, has-been, looking for money QB that always go to bad teams, and that's not going to suddenly change for the worst team in NFL history.
In other words, welcome to the Cleveland Browns Josh McCown, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels, or whoever the rest of the league DOESN'T want. That's how it works. We're likely to sign an older veteran with an injury history, and I'm guessing this guy gets injured around week 4 or 5. That's when the REAL fun starts. Why? Because that's the exact moment our coaches will have to determine whether they want to play our shiny new 1st round QB, or if they want to play Deshone Kizer. Won't THAT just be a joy to witness? Play the human turnover machine or ruin our shiny new QB? Fun times. Our only chance for finally fixing the QB quandary is to somehow, some way, by the grace of God, draft the right guy. Lord knows we're due, but suffice to say I have no confidence in it actually happening. We're going to trade the #1 pick and take whichever QB is left at 4...watch.
A.J. McCarron is going to the Vikings, that's my guess. They're a playoff team, McCarron knows their head coach quite well from Cincinnati, and they aren't 1-31 in their last 2 seasons.
The Browns aren't getting Kirk Cousins, so let's not engage in any further fantasy nonsense. I already had my fantasy moment by hoping Alex Smith would come here, and that's enough hope for one offseason. Who are we going to get? Obviously, we're going to get the same crap we've always gotten. The cast off, washed up, oft-injured, has-been, looking for money QB that always go to bad teams, and that's not going to suddenly change for the worst team in NFL history.
In other words, welcome to the Cleveland Browns Josh McCown, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels, or whoever the rest of the league DOESN'T want. That's how it works. We're likely to sign an older veteran with an injury history, and I'm guessing this guy gets injured around week 4 or 5. That's when the REAL fun starts. Why? Because that's the exact moment our coaches will have to determine whether they want to play our shiny new 1st round QB, or if they want to play Deshone Kizer. Won't THAT just be a joy to witness? Play the human turnover machine or ruin our shiny new QB? Fun times. Our only chance for finally fixing the QB quandary is to somehow, some way, by the grace of God, draft the right guy. Lord knows we're due, but suffice to say I have no confidence in it actually happening. We're going to trade the #1 pick and take whichever QB is left at 4...watch.
I guess Anything is Possible but I'm wondering why the Vikings would rather have a completely untested guy like AJ McCarron in place of one of their three actual quarterbacks? Bilgewater and Bradford have got health issues but aside from that should be quality players.
I still think there's a chance that Kizer could step up at some point
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Cousins, McCarron, Bridgewater, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph, Jackson.... on and on and on the list of QBs goes...
And the first time one of these guys have a bad start (ala Hogan) you will bash and trash and cry to high heaven that we have to take the next QB #1 overall in the 2019 Draft...
Cousins, McCarron, Bridgewater, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph, Jackson.... on and on and on the list of QBs goes...
And the first time one of these guys have a bad start (ala Hogan) you will bash and trash and cry to high heaven that we have to take the next QB #1 overall in the 2019 Draft...
I don't always agree with you PoeticG, but you are absolutely correct. I'm at the point that I won't even talk about our QBs anymore. I'll accept whomever falls our way.
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A.J. McCarron is going to the Vikings, that's my guess. They're a playoff team, McCarron knows their head coach quite well from Cincinnati, and they aren't 1-31 in their last 2 seasons.
The Browns aren't getting Kirk Cousins, so let's not engage in any further fantasy nonsense. I already had my fantasy moment by hoping Alex Smith would come here, and that's enough hope for one offseason. Who are we going to get? Obviously, we're going to get the same crap we've always gotten. The cast off, washed up, oft-injured, has-been, looking for money QB that always go to bad teams, and that's not going to suddenly change for the worst team in NFL history.
In other words, welcome to the Cleveland Browns Josh McCown, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels, or whoever the rest of the league DOESN'T want. That's how it works. We're likely to sign an older veteran with an injury history, and I'm guessing this guy gets injured around week 4 or 5. That's when the REAL fun starts. Why? Because that's the exact moment our coaches will have to determine whether they want to play our shiny new 1st round QB, or if they want to play Deshone Kizer. Won't THAT just be a joy to witness? Play the human turnover machine or ruin our shiny new QB? Fun times. Our only chance for finally fixing the QB quandary is to somehow, some way, by the grace of God, draft the right guy. Lord knows we're due, but suffice to say I have no confidence in it actually happening. We're going to trade the #1 pick and take whichever QB is left at 4...watch.
I guess Anything is Possible but I'm wondering why the Vikings would rather have a completely untested guy like AJ McCarron in place of one of their three actual quarterbacks? Bilgewater and Bradford have got health issues but aside from that should be quality players.
I still think there's a chance that Kizer could step up at some point
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I guess Anything is Possible but I'm wondering why the Vikings wood rather have a completely untested guy like AJ McCarron in place of one of their three actual quarterbacks? Bilgewater and Bradford have gut health issues but aside from that should be quality players.
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The only link McCarron would have to the Vikes is their coach. They'll keep Keenum and one of the others as a backup. Most likely Teddy. McCarron is only going to a place where he has a legit chance to start- and that isn't in Minnesota.
Wonder what AJ is going to think if we sign him and then turn around and draft Sam Darnold? If I was Dorsey, I'd be upfront with him about our expectations and plans.
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So sure, if it's only a quick fix you're after, you make Cousins the richest QB in NFL history- after I've been telling you Redskins fans don't think he's worth it, draft Barkley and overdraft Ridley. I want the Browns to return to the Glory Days of the 60s when they were in the mix every year for a decade, not a flash in the pan one and done.
I don't really care what Redskins fans say, Kirk is objectively worth it. If Jimmy G. got what he got, a QB like Cousins who has been top 15 in QBR (including being 6th both in 2015 and 2016) for three years deserves it too. Heck, you can even justify his down year a good bit seeing as they lost something like 6 OL last season. Cousins by about any metric you can choose is a top 10-12 QB in the NFL right now.
The day we ink Cousins would instantly make him the best QB Cleveland has had since 1999. I just think it's a pipe dream he'd pick Cleveland over several other teams with as much of a QB need as we do.
I don't really care what Redskins fans say, Kirk is objectively worth it. If Jimmy G. got what he got, a QB like Cousins who has been top 15 in QBR (including being 6th both in 2015 and 2016) for three years deserves it too. Heck, you can even justify his down year a good bit seeing as they lost something like 6 OL last season. Cousins by about any metric you can choose is a top 10-12 QB in the NFL right now.
The day we ink Cousins would instantly make him the best QB Cleveland has had since 1999. I just think it's a pipe dream he'd pick Cleveland over several other teams with as much of a QB need as we do.
I'll trust guys who have seen every one of Cousins' games over a pile of stats. I don't disagree he'd be a massive upgrade over anything we have now. Here's the $150 million dollar question. Do we think Cousins is good enough to lead the Browns to a Super Bowl, or just a slightly better version of Andy Dalton?
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I don't really care what Redskins fans say, Kirk is objectively worth it. If Jimmy G. got what he got, a QB like Cousins who has been top 15 in QBR (including being 6th both in 2015 and 2016) for three years deserves it too. Heck, you can even justify his down year a good bit seeing as they lost something like 6 OL last season. Cousins by about any metric you can choose is a top 10-12 QB in the NFL right now.
The day we ink Cousins would instantly make him the best QB Cleveland has had since 1999. I just think it's a pipe dream he'd pick Cleveland over several other teams with as much of a QB need as we do.
I'll trust guys who have seen every one of Cousins' games over a pile of stats. I don't disagree he'd be a massive upgrade over anything we have now. Here's the $150 million dollar question. Do we think Cousins is good enough to lead the Browns to a Super Bowl, or just a slightly better version of Andy Dalton?
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I agree with Cal, but I'll defer to Dorsey & staff.
Mike
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Well the smart thing to do would be to go to a more established team in search of a QB and not the Browns 1-31 without even a proven HC. But on the other hand he has worked with that same HC before and there is that other little factor that most people have long forgotten. The year JM won the Heisman McCarron was trying to make the case that he was the better QB of the two. He's a competitive guy so what better place to go to prove he really was better if not to JMs old team where he failed.
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what should be interesting, if the Browns sign a top veteran star wr in FA, then
their choice to bring the FA qb in has more attraction.
Should start happening soon.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
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what should be interesting, if the Browns sign a top veteran star wr in FA, then
their choice to bring the FA qb in has more attraction.
Should start happening soon.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
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FA team visits started last week..Seems were looking at CB position as possible FA fill. Two former 1st round picks have been in. Today Colts CB Vontae Davis..Last week Bills/eagles CB Leodis McKelvin..no other positions that i have read so far..
I'm hoping for Trumaine Johnson, cb, maybe.
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OK Ghoolie, exactly how do we tell if McCarron comes to the Browns that Dorsey really didn't want him? What if he comes because Dorsey DOES want him and isn't just fetching coffee? Get my drift? No way to prove whether or not he likes him, especially if we are in a bidding war now for his services with other teams that also want him. So your claim has no way of being proven or disproven if he shows in Cleveland.
<<<OK Ghoolie, exactly how do we tell if McCarron comes to the Browns that Dorsey really didn't want him?>>>
Not the point.Hue wants McCarron. If AJ comes, it is Hue's doing, not Dorkeys'. If AJ comes, Dorkey is just here for the ride. Again, you look at the big picture, and already you see a GM who doesn't want to make waves, who doesn't want to go out on a limb, and is happy to be a wallflower. He is a politician, a coffee fetcher.
<<What if he comes because Dorsey DOES want him and isn't just fetching coffee? Get my drift? >>
Great hypothetical, but not valid. AJ was already coming. Hue wants him. Hue gave him wiener rubs on national TV,, and took him to meet Haslam. Dorsey, by taking this job without even a silent fart tells you that he is a lamb, not a LION.
<<No way to prove whether or not he likes him, especially if we are in a bidding war now for his services with other teams that also want him. So your claim has no way of being proven or disproven if he shows in Cleveland.>>
Again, he took a job where he was emasculated by having to accept Hue, without conversation.
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