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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him too
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
Often or occasionally take your pick quarterbacks are in playoff games because of their team, defense, coach, a combination of factors. JAX this year? But to go all the way generally requires a good to great field general.....the quarterback.
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
The biggest difference I see is Washington prioritized equipping their starting QB with veteran FA WRs that weren't 3 years past their best football such as: Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson, and the T Pryor (WITH experience).
IMO, aside from the growing pains of an inexperienced QB - we've had WRs all over the field that didn't look like they knew how to adjust their routes to varying coverage leverages and schemes. When they're in question just as much as our QBs have looked to be - that's 1 hot mess. We HAVE to have experience on the perimeter so they can HELP our young QBs get on the same page. Experience is HUGE in this and every time we change FOs/Regimes - this falls through the cracks. It breeds mistrust from our QBs and WR chemistries. Even veteran QBs like McCown, RG3-n-out, and Whitehurst-Coffeetogo were getting killed holding onto the ball too long waiting for somebody in the WR Corp to get open or understand WTF he was doing. We need a FO that knows the difference between a fossil and a veteran FA WR young enough to justify the investment.
We HAVE to add a veteran FA WR this year IMO. We need some decent experience and role models for whatever rookies we draft. They can be invaluable at teaching the younger guys inclusive of QBs in the film room during weekly preparations.
Dorsey was brought to improve the QB position. Equipping him with the most spending money to spend in FA + the pick of the litter in the draft raises my confidence in his ability to do so. I think he also got Alex Smith to KC before KC started winning again so he's had experience with this kind of situation we're in somewhat.
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On a side note the INDIANS are starting a whole slew of drafted, in house developed players most if not all played for the summer (A) ball team in Niles, OH, the Mahoning Valley Scrappers! Yay.
The BROWNS due to their plethora of recent high picks.....and a good class this year.....might be headed in the same direction.
Locked in in house players can be great when sprinkled with a few great FA players, there the secret to the BROWNS being in the playoffs in 2019, maybe 2020.
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He may be the best FA quarterback this year, but he's not the best Quarterback in the NFL. He's going to get paid like he is though. I'll make the analogy as close as possible. You willing to walk into an Accura dealer, and shell out $80,000 for a RLX when you could have bought a BMW 740i for the same price instead? Didn't think so. Desperation makes teams do stupid stuff.
Larry, you do this schidt all the time. He is not going to be the highest paid QB in the NFL. He will be for a short time, the new crop will raise that ante. All Cousins will be, is like one of the first downhill skiers down to course. In first......................temporarily.
You don't look at what the guy is getting paid now. You look in year 3, 4 or 5, then factoring the time value of money, by year three a top QB will be signing for 50 million more than Cousins will. That's just how money works.
Larry, you do this schidt all the time. He is not going to be the highest paid QB in the NFL. He will be for a short time, the new crop will raise that ante. All Cousins will be, is like one of the first downhill skiers down to course. In first......................temporarily.
You don't look at what the guy is getting paid now. You look in year 3, 4 or 5, then factoring the time value of money, by year three a top QB will be signing for 50 million more than Cousins will. That's just how money works.
Not necessarily. The flaw in that logic is NFL revenue, and by extension the salary cap- is going to be ever expanding at a nice 10% compounded every year. My little calculator says in order to pay a quarterback $200 million three years down the road, that's what it's going to take. Viewership was down again, the league's real cash cow- TV revenue just may decrease proportionately when the contracts come up for renewal.
Sure, you can give one guy that humongous contract- at the price of having a J-V supporting cast. The current examples in the Cousins bidding war are Denver will probably have to trade Aquib Talib, or (not gonna happen) Jerry and the Cowboys would have to dump Dez Bryant to fit Kirk under their cap.
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Change the thread title already.
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooC'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooCousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
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C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooCousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
Cousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
It's starting to look like the BROWNS might not get any decent or any FA signings. The Cousins contract rumors look like an overpriced joke but we'll see what happens there. Cousins hasn't exactly been on any really good teams. And 29 TDs is pretty close to 30 TDs in anyone's book, about 3% away.
So the Cousins scorecard, not too bad all things considered :
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 62 57 26-30-1 1372 2096 65.5 16206 99 4.7 55 2.6 81 7.7 7.5 11.8 261.4 93.7 106 847 6.98 6.75 4.8 8 12 43 2012 24 WAS qb 12 3 1 1-0-0 33 48 68.8 466 4 8.3 3 6.3 77 9.7 8.6 14.1 155.3 101.6 79.0 3 27 8.61 7.53 5.9 1 1 2 2013 25 WAS qb 12 5 3 0-3-0 81 155 52.3 854 4 2.6 7 4.5 62 5.5 4.0 10.5 170.8 58.4 38.8 5 32 5.14 3.67 3.1 -2 2014 26 WAS qb 8 6 5 1-4-0 126 204 61.8 1710 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8.4 7.4 13.6 285.0 86.4 55.8 8 70 7.74 6.77 3.8 4 2015 27 WAS QB 8 16 16 9-7-0 379 543 69.8 4166 29 5.3 11 2.0 78 7.7 7.8 11.0 260.4 101.6 71.0 26 186 6.99 7.14 4.6 2 3 12 2016* 28 WAS QB 8 16 16 8-7-1 406 606 67.0 4917 25 4.1 12 2.0 80 8.1 8.0 12.1 307.3 97.2 71.7 23 190 7.52 7.45 3.7 4 4 15 2017 29 WAS QB 8 16 16 7-9-0 347 540 64.3 4093 27 5.0 13 2.4 74 7.6 7.5 11.8 255.8 93.9 50.5 41 342 6.46 6.38 7.1 1 4 12 2 playoff games - full playoff gamelogs -
Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
The last 3 seasons Cousins has
19 - 300 yard games
81 passing TDs
36 INTs
13 rushing TDs
An approximate completion rate of 66%.
I have no doubts that Cousins could step in and help the Browns win games this season. He is exactly whats missing. Who knows, maybe even reaching the playoffs. Barkley, Cousins, Gordon, Devalve, Njoku, Duke? Maybe Pryor is back. Thats a respectable lineup if you ask me.
The last 3 seasons Cousins has
19 - 300 yard games
81 passing TDs
36 INTs
13 rushing TDs
An approximate completion rate of 66%.
I have no doubts that Cousins could step in and help the Browns win games this season. He is exactly whats missing. Who knows, maybe even reaching the playoffs. Barkley, Cousins, Gordon, Devalve, Njoku, Duke? Maybe Pryor is back. Thats a respectable lineup if you ask me.
I need a QB who wins games.. Not pad stats...
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
He's not embarrassing. That's it. No one tunes in to watch Kirk Cousins AND he doesn't win. 4000 passing yards in a season will get you tagged. You better put the '85 Bears defense and the 90's Cowboys offensive line around him for him to even sniff a Super Bowl. His dream is a Wild-Card win.
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
BINGO!!!
We'll see what happens, but I agree. Cousins is a damned expensive bandaid.
Mike
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
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Well the BROWNS after going 1-15 and 0-16 and nearly what could have been an unbelievable 0-32 two season record can't expect any magic from ANY quarterback FA or #1 pick.
Forget the band-aids, rookie saviors, bridge QB, best of what's left, whatever behind the center the BROWNS are in a total team reclamation project and the best -PLAN A- is to acquire as many quality players as they can get in a pretty good draft.
I think even the best gung-ho, rah-rah, diehard, brown and orange sunglass wearing fan (like many of us) down deep kind of have this wait and see uneasy feeling about.
HOWEVER this might be a cornerstone draft for the Cleveland Browns and their beleaguered fans for the near future.
GO BROWNS, May the force be with you.....or whatever!
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Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
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That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
Its an argument in his behalf..to be sure. And if it goes that way, we can only hope.
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It has been stated here that now that the Jags have signed Blake Bortles to an extension....that that take they out of the potential running to sigh Kirk Cousins.....HOWEVER:
I heard that while the extension to Bortles gives him more overall money than he was expecting in his current deal...and gives him some security....it actually may HELP the Jags if they want to go after Cousins...because:
the extension reduces Bortles Cap number from 19 million a year....to 10 million a year. And 10 million per year is a palatable figure for a team for a BACKUP QB. If they signed Cousins....he would be making Top Starter money, for certain.....but then Bortles would be making regular backup money.
So...apparently DO NOT strike the Jags off the "possible landing sites for Cousins" list.
If Cousins wants to win....as he claims....he can go to JAX, get big money AND have a ready made championship challenging team around him. After all the Jags were just one big 2d half choke job from making the Super Bowl last year.
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THIS has always been he biggest issue about Cousins:
(from ESPN Jets reporter):
A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Struggles against top competition: The Jets' anticipated pursuit of Kirk Cousins is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:
During his time with the Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).
Yes, 4-19.
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