The Combine - a few days away...
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You aren't entertained and enthralled by an old fart throwing a never-ending hissy fit Orion?
I'm completely entertained
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College QB have and will improve in the NFL because of the right offense, coaching and talent around them.
No.
No, no, no.
This is a direct example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
If this was true, Josh Allen cannot fail - he can only be failed. But the reality of life is that "right" NEVER happens.. and people in all phases of life will always need to overcome bad something-or-other within their team to achieve. If you don't think that's true -- suck it up, snowflake.
During the season is probably not going to happen - rather, during the offseason Allen could see any number of QB people such as Adam Dedeaux [Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Dalton, Wentz] on his own to improve.. and even so far this offseason you can find articles on each of those 4 spending time with Dedeaux.
People will improve because they are self-aware enough to BOTH recognize and internalize their own flaws AND summon the desire to overcome those items - simply to be the best player they can be. They're adults - they won't do anything just for somebody else and will definitely half-butt it if improvement is phrased as a "requirement."
Notice those last 2 sentences had nothing to do with athletics... that's how personal growth happens to everyone throughout life.
No.
No, no, no.
This is a direct example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
If this was true, Josh Allen cannot fail - he can only be failed. But the reality of life is that "right" NEVER happens.. and people in all phases of life will always need to overcome bad something-or-other within their team to achieve. If you don't think that's true -- suck it up, snowflake.
During the season is probably not going to happen - rather, during the offseason Allen could see any number of QB people such as Adam Dedeaux [Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Dalton, Wentz] on his own to improve.. and even so far this offseason you can find articles on each of those 4 spending time with Dedeaux.
People will improve because they are self-aware enough to BOTH recognize and internalize their own flaws AND summon the desire to overcome those items - simply to be the best player they can be. They're adults - they won't do anything just for somebody else and will definitely half-butt it if improvement is phrased as a "requirement."
Notice those last 2 sentences had nothing to do with athletics... that's how personal growth happens to everyone throughout life.
First off, I aint a snowflake. Secondly, Allen will be overcoming something in his life.
My statement is FACT. QBs have improved from labled with low completions numbers and they became stars in the NFL.
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Again, he's never going to realize it. He just posts the same 3 things hashed out on different platforms which I outright provided multiple items saying those items are either grossly over estimated or wrong. Not surprisingly that was met with the "fingers in the ears" approach.
smoke, possible fire. Lots of serious smoke. I didn't write these articles, JRB.
Trent Dilfer: Josh Rosen will 'piss off' a lot of people | NFL | Sporting ...
www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/...rosen-will.../1v6da6sekzr4n15ti8b1h50afjJan 12, 2018 - "But the people that get it, the people that really like him, the people that understand what it means to be the best at the highest level will get that he has that stuff." Dilfer and Rosen did not get along initially. In fact, Rosen came out publicly and said he didn't like working with Dilfer. However, the two worked ...
NFL execs unanimously pick Sam Darnold over Josh Rosen - 247Sports
Nov 17, 2017 - Countless hours will be poured into the evaluation process to avoid a bust. UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold have been widely regarded as the top options. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah polled five executives to gauge which player has the advantage early in the process. All five executive .
Denver Broncos mock draft: Could Josh Rosen fall?
Jan 19, 2018 - We'll dive into the possibility of the Broncos and Rosen more as the offseason progresses, but the interview process will certainly be critical for him. The Broncos are getting an up close look at both Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen for a week at the Senior Bowl, a luxury they do not have with any of Sam ...
Josh Rosen is talented, but has major flaws to his game | PFF News ...
Sep 29, 2015 - We've already seen signs of the ups and downs that are expected from a young quarterback, but that leaves us wondering just how good Rosen can be going forward. Let's start by focusing on the bad from his game — because in spite of the hype, he's young, and there will be plenty of that on display.
Josh Rosen Viewed as "Uncoachable" By Many Around UCLA
Aug 17, 2017 - Oftentimes throughout history this leads to some pretty big draft busts. ... In an age when, thanks to social media, players are under a larger spotlight than ever, how will the NFL perceive Rosen? ... There can be no doubt that the United States is the most politically-charged and volatile its been in decades.
Denver Broncos mock draft: Could Josh Rosen fall?
Jan 19, 2018 - We'll dive into the possibility of the Broncos and Rosen more as the offseason progresses, but the interview process will certainly be critical for him. The Broncos are getting an up close look at both Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen for a week at the Senior Bowl, a luxury they do not have with any of Sam .
smoke, possible fire. Lots of serious smoke. I didn't write these articles, JRB.
Trent Dilfer: Josh Rosen will 'piss off' a lot of people | NFL | Sporting ...
www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/...rosen-will.../1v6da6sekzr4n15ti8b1h50afjJan 12, 2018 - "But the people that get it, the people that really like him, the people that understand what it means to be the best at the highest level will get that he has that stuff." Dilfer and Rosen did not get along initially. In fact, Rosen came out publicly and said he didn't like working with Dilfer. However, the two worked ...
NFL execs unanimously pick Sam Darnold over Josh Rosen - 247Sports
Nov 17, 2017 - Countless hours will be poured into the evaluation process to avoid a bust. UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold have been widely regarded as the top options. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah polled five executives to gauge which player has the advantage early in the process. All five executive .
Denver Broncos mock draft: Could Josh Rosen fall?
Jan 19, 2018 - We'll dive into the possibility of the Broncos and Rosen more as the offseason progresses, but the interview process will certainly be critical for him. The Broncos are getting an up close look at both Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen for a week at the Senior Bowl, a luxury they do not have with any of Sam ...
Josh Rosen is talented, but has major flaws to his game | PFF News ...
Sep 29, 2015 - We've already seen signs of the ups and downs that are expected from a young quarterback, but that leaves us wondering just how good Rosen can be going forward. Let's start by focusing on the bad from his game — because in spite of the hype, he's young, and there will be plenty of that on display.
Josh Rosen Viewed as "Uncoachable" By Many Around UCLA
Aug 17, 2017 - Oftentimes throughout history this leads to some pretty big draft busts. ... In an age when, thanks to social media, players are under a larger spotlight than ever, how will the NFL perceive Rosen? ... There can be no doubt that the United States is the most politically-charged and volatile its been in decades.
Denver Broncos mock draft: Could Josh Rosen fall?
Jan 19, 2018 - We'll dive into the possibility of the Broncos and Rosen more as the offseason progresses, but the interview process will certainly be critical for him. The Broncos are getting an up close look at both Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen for a week at the Senior Bowl, a luxury they do not have with any of Sam .
But, but, but, but...the stats. His completion numbers are HOF material.
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No it is not a wrong argument to make.
Proves my stance 100% College QB have and will improve in the NFL because of the right offense, coaching and talent around them.
Like Mariota and Winston have?
Which is the "right" offense, might I ask? You're just spouting words at this point and about to be put on ignore.
Also... John Boy had 3 future NFL players in front of him, a top 20 receiver and for all that "best conference in the NCAA" cowpoop... of the 3 best teams in said conference, he beat only 1 of them... once. Bama' in 12. Couldn't get by LSU twice, Florida or Bama the second time and a defensive deficient Mizzou his final year.
Stop using that Shmucker as any type of comparison for anything otherwise you're just trolling.
I don't support Rosen because of his "stats". I back the kid because he's flashed high level traits and moments in nearly every game I've watched that would point to a quality NFL starter.
Like Mariota and Winston have?
Which is the "right" offense, might I ask? You're just spouting words at this point and about to be put on ignore.
Also... John Boy had 3 future NFL players in front of him, a top 20 receiver and for all that "best conference in the NCAA" cowpoop... of the 3 best teams in said conference, he beat only 1 of them... once. Bama' in 12. Couldn't get by LSU twice, Florida or Bama the second time and a defensive deficient Mizzou his final year.
Stop using that Shmucker as any type of comparison for anything otherwise you're just trolling.
I don't support Rosen because of his "stats". I back the kid because he's flashed high level traits and moments in nearly every game I've watched that would point to a quality NFL starter.
The right offense is not one where Allen is rushing the ball. Look up his rushing attempts and figure it out for yourself because I dont have time to explain to you.
Also, GFY
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What I say about allen is legit because I've watched him. Don't really give much of a Shmuck what anyone else says.
Who are you?
Work in the NFL do you? If you do, your opinion and $1.00 will buy a can of coke.
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That doesn't have jackshit to do with anything and is a terrible argument to make.
Would I select a HoF'er today knowing how they played? Of Shmucking course. In 2000 would have I selected Tom Brady because, Gee-Shmucking-whiz, he'll improve on his completion % and command because that just "HAS" to be the norm.
With a franchise in the state the Browns are, you make the sensible and pragmatic picks that make sense based on numbers, interviews, tape and evals. That player is Rosen.
Only thing that worries me Tia is the concussions. Another couple and he's done before gets going.
No it is not a wrong argument to make.
Proves my stance 100% College QB have and will improve in the NFL because of the right offense, coaching and talent around them.
Sure, some QBs have improved. You're quoting exceptions to prove the rule. Most of them don't. The fail rate in the NFL says so. It's possible Allen could improve his accuracy and have an Elway level career. Odds say a Blaine Gabbert, Derek Anderson outcome is more likely.
Sure, some QBs have improved. You're quoting exceptions to prove the rule. Most of them don't. The fail rate in the NFL says so. It's possible Allen could improve his accuracy and have an Elway level career. Odds say a Blaine Gabbert, Derek Anderson outcome is more likely.
Everything needs to be viewed in proper context. Allen was NOT in a Pro style offense. The talent around him was sub par to say the least.
Teams are looking at Allens potential. What steps they can take to bring up those passing numbers. The Spread offense does wonders for some QBs.
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Sure, some QBs have improved. You're quoting exceptions to prove the rule. Most of them don't. The fail rate in the NFL says so. It's possible Allen could improve his accuracy and have an Elway level career. Odds say a Blaine Gabbert, Derek Anderson outcome is more likely.
Everything needs to be viewed in proper context. Allen was NOT in a Pro style offense. The talent around him was sub par to say the least.
Teams are looking at Allens potential. What steps they can take to bring up those passing numbers. The Spread offense does wonders for some QBs.
Everything needs to be viewed in proper context. Allen was NOT in a Pro style offense. The talent around him was sub par to say the least.
Teams are looking at Allens potential. What steps they can take to bring up those passing numbers. The Spread offense does wonders for some QBs.
He wasn't in a pro style offense???? Cal has been telling us for months that he was in a pro style offense that's why his numbers aren't as high as the other QBs? So can you Allen humpers get your story straight?
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Everything needs to be viewed in proper context. Allen was NOT in a Pro style offense. The talent around him was sub par to say the least.
Teams are looking at Allens potential. What steps they can take to bring up those passing numbers. The Spread offense does wonders for some QBs.
He wasn't in a pro style offense???? Cal has been telling us for months that he was in a pro style offense that's why his numbers aren't as high as the other QBs? So can you Allen humpers get your story straight?
He wasn't in a pro style offense???? Cal has been telling us for months that he was in a pro style offense that's why his numbers aren't as high as the other QBs? So can you Allen humpers get your story straight?
Facts are apparently optional for the Allen faction.
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Facts are apparently optional for the Allen faction.
Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Like Mariota and Winston have?
Which is the "right" offense, might I ask? You're just spouting words at this point and about to be put on ignore.
Also... John Boy had 3 future NFL players in front of him, a top 20 receiver and for all that "best conference in the NCAA" cowpoop... of the 3 best teams in said conference, he beat only 1 of them... once. Bama' in 12. Couldn't get by LSU twice, Florida or Bama the second time and a defensive deficient Mizzou his final year.
Stop using that Shmucker as any type of comparison for anything otherwise you're just trolling.
I don't support Rosen because of his "stats". I back the kid because he's flashed high level traits and moments in nearly every game I've watched that would point to a quality NFL starter.
The right offense is not one where Allen is rushing the ball. Look up his rushing attempts and figure it out for yourself because I dont have time to explain to you.
Also, GFY
The right offense is not one where Allen is rushing the ball. Look up his rushing attempts and figure it out for yourself because I dont have time to explain to you.
Also, GFY
Designed or scrambles? Something tells me you're half assing it and not distinguish the two.
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Facts are apparently optional for the Allen faction.
Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
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Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
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Based on nothing concrete, just a hunch, I think the Browns turn in Sam Darnold's name with the #1 pick.
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Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
Comparing Allen to Jamarcus Russel is no compliment, but Mayock brings up an excellent point about Haley and the type of QB that excels in his offense. When I look at Allen I see another Ben.
The comment about footwork is a good one too. People underestimate how important QB motor skills are like footwork. The wrong stance can effect your throws. Brady still has a QB coach that he works with to this day. Several years ago, Brady was telegraphing when he would throw under center after he had won 3 Super Bowls. I believe that Allen rusting the ball had an effect on his passing too.The whole proper throwing sequence can get off so easily, just like a baseball pitcher or hitter. They have played baseball their whole lives good enough to reach the big leagues, but are suddenly doing something wrong.
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Surely the bad footwork that causes the inaccuracy will not reappear when in a pressure situation....
If it is not corrected by professional coaching.
Penn State Larry Johnson came to the Chiefs and was carrying the ball wrong. Had to be taught the correct way.
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Try a Mike MayOCK QB Brown pill https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/26/17043068/mike-mayock-talks-browns-qb-options-in-the-first-round
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
Oh-oh- time for "The Quarterback Whisperer" to try and fix Allen's bad footisies when he throws....
People refuse to hear it because they are so fixated on Rosen and Darnold
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Surely the bad footwork that causes the inaccuracy will not reappear when in a pressure situation....
If it is not corrected by professional coaching.
Penn State Larry Johnson came to the Chiefs and was carrying the ball wrong. Had to be taught the correct way.
If it is not corrected by professional coaching.
Penn State Larry Johnson came to the Chiefs and was carrying the ball wrong. Had to be taught the correct way.
So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
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If it is not corrected by professional coaching.
Penn State Larry Johnson came to the Chiefs and was carrying the ball wrong. Had to be taught the correct way.
So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
This is just becoming silly at this point. The Allen humpers refuse to acknowledge any of his short comings. With 2 months to go....Allen and Poes stalking victim Barkley will both be fitted for gold jackets by the draft from these clowns.
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yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
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yeah, me too. SO...
I think I want to study the qb's, wr's and rb's most of all the positions in the combine.
I'm looking for Mike White, Darnold and Allen to light it up.
and I keep wondering about Eq? St. Brown - and a few others, like D. J. Chark to light it up.
and Ballage. we'll see.
yeah, me too. SO...
I think I want to study the qb's, wr's and rb's most of all the positions in the combine.
I'm looking for Mike White, Darnold and Allen to light it up.
And, of course, if they do not....and Rosen does, you will have some dodge or excuse as to why.
and I keep wondering about Eq? St. Brown - and a few others, like D. J. Chark to light it up.
and Ballage. we'll see.
Is Fitzpatrick at the combine? We need to watch how he does.
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