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  • LogicIsForSquares LogicIsForSquaresL Dedicated Reacting Well Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    Tons of RB talent in this draft. Find one or possibly two. Keep Duke as the change of pace/third down back.

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      Barkley will likely be gone by the time they pick a RB, but Michel, Guice and Penny will be there. 

      I'm pulling for Penny or Michel. 

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        Per Yahoo....the Browns are likely to lose all 3 of their FAs this offseason:

        The Cleveland Browns have only three unrestricted free agents - running back Isaiah Crowell, guard Marcus Martin and defensive end Lavar Edwards - and will not use the franchise tag or transition tag. The Browns are unlikely to re-sign any of them, either, unless they can get any or all of them dirt cheap. The perception around Cleveland is Crowell wants out because he was dissatisfied with the number of carries he got. The fact is he carried eight more times in 2017 than in 2016 when he carried 198 times for 852 yards. He carried the ball 206 times in 2017 yet finished with 99 fewer yards than the year before. Crowell will follow the money and sign with whichever team offers him the most. 

        So...Crow....and 2 little use backups.

        Crowell, of course, to me, is the only one that matters. The other two have already been replaced or are eminently replaceable.   Crow on the other hand was the Browns workhorse RB...and something significant would have to be done to replace him.

        What are the Browns options?


        A. Hand the hammer duties over the Duke?  Ah...NO.   Duke is more valuable where he is and what he does.

        B. Hand the hammer duties over to Matthew Dayes?   Who knows if this could work?  Is he that kind of guy...and if he is, can he handle it?

        C.  Get a FA?  Who is out there as a FA that could do what Crow does?

        D. Draft a guy?   But who....and when.  We know what one guy here wants...whose lasciviousness is disgusting.....that guy who we all know and who shall remain nameless is one draft option.  But I suspect there are many others. After all...what do they say about RBs?  You can get a good one in the mid rounds.

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        GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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        @the-gipper said:

        ""But who....and when.  We know what one guy here wants...whose lasciviousness is disgusting.....""

        You are one weird fukcker.

        ""that guy who we all know and who shall remain nameless is one draft option.  ""

        WTF, You sound like one of the knights who say ni

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          Michel or Guice. Have not really watched Penny. Think we have to trade up into the low end of the 1st to get either of those two though. Barkley #1 overall is a mistake.

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            Michel or Guice. Have not really watched Penny. Think we have to trade up into the low end of the 1st to get either of those two though. Barkley #1 overall is a mistake.

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            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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            @texasag1969 said:

            Michel or Guice. Have not really watched Penny. Think we have to trade up into the low end of the 1st to get either of those two though. Barkley #1 overall is a mistake.

            Give Penny’s games against Stanford and ASU a glance over. The kid stepped up against the better competition.

            I would be happy with one of Michel/Guice/Penny with another back taken later. Duke is good at what he does but not at having to be a RB1 if the starter goes down. Scarborough, Freeman, and Ballage will be available later on.

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              jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by jiggins7919
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              This draft is stocked with talented backs, we have three 2nd round picks, and John Dorsey found the leading rusher in the league (as a rookie) in like the 3rd round last year. I trust him in finding us a back, and I also trust him to extend Duke. Let Crow fly away. 

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                @the-gipper said:

                ""But who....and when.  We know what one guy here wants...whose lasciviousness is disgusting.....""

                You are one weird fukcker.

                ""that guy who we all know and who shall remain nameless is one draft option.  ""

                WTF, You sound like one of the knights who say ni

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @ghoolie said:

                "But who....and when.  We know what one guy here wants...whose lasciviousness is disgusting.....""

                You are one weird fukcker.

                ""that guy who we all know and who shall remain nameless is one draft option.  ""

                WTF, You sound like one of the knights who say ni

                Well......rather than Monte Python...this is more of a Beetlejuice situation.  Or Voldemort.  You say his name and either the Ghoolie lookalike PoG/Beetlejuice shows up......or a bunch of Deatheaters do.    So, best not to say his name...unless you want to wade through PoGs drool. 

                Or, maybe that is what you want:  like You....PoG, and Cal all digging it together based on a mutual admiration society

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                  Barkley will likely be gone by the time they pick a RB, but Michel, Guice and Penny will be there. 

                  I'm pulling for Penny or Michel. 

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                  GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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                  @sd_tom said:

                  Barkley will likely be gone by the time they pick a RB, but Michel, Guice and Penny will be there. 

                  I'm pulling for Penny or Michel. 

                  If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

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                    @sd_tom said:

                    Barkley will likely be gone by the time they pick a RB, but Michel, Guice and Penny will be there. 

                    I'm pulling for Penny or Michel. 

                    If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

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                    @ghoolie said:

                    If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

                    Well they passed on HOFer Ladanian Tomlinson- (zero Super Bowls BTW) and I was over it long ago. 

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                      @sd_tom said:

                      Barkley will likely be gone by the time they pick a RB, but Michel, Guice and Penny will be there. 

                      I'm pulling for Penny or Michel. 

                      If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @ghoolie said:

                      If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

                      Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                      And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                      It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                      As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                      In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

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                        @ghoolie said:

                        If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

                        Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                        And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                        It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                        As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                        In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

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                        mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-gipper said:

                        Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                        And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                        It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                        As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                        In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

                        The whole problem is the quarterback situation (with NO FA signing) if they take a QB at #1 they might miss LT2 or the next Payton or what ever they're calling the Penn State phenomenon now, will he make it to #4? If they pick LT2 at #1 will the QB of choice be there at #4?

                        Is Barkley really worth a #1 pick, probably not, #4 maybe but RB might be a real need position in Cleveland......sooner than later. -BUT- there are other stud  picks out there NOT QB or Barkley.....just see every other post I've put up over the last month plus. 

                        So what to do? D'UH trade up and get everything!  EUREKA! THE ANSWER HAS COME TO THE FAITHFUL!!  Oh too strong? 😆

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                          @the-gipper said:

                          Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                          And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                          It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                          As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                          In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

                          The whole problem is the quarterback situation (with NO FA signing) if they take a QB at #1 they might miss LT2 or the next Payton or what ever they're calling the Penn State phenomenon now, will he make it to #4? If they pick LT2 at #1 will the QB of choice be there at #4?

                          Is Barkley really worth a #1 pick, probably not, #4 maybe but RB might be a real need position in Cleveland......sooner than later. -BUT- there are other stud  picks out there NOT QB or Barkley.....just see every other post I've put up over the last month plus. 

                          So what to do? D'UH trade up and get everything!  EUREKA! THE ANSWER HAS COME TO THE FAITHFUL!!  Oh too strong? 😆

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                          @mjp28 said:

                          The whole problem is the quarterback situation (with NO FA signing) if they take a QB at #1 they might miss LT2 or the next Payton or what ever they're calling the Penn State phenomenon now, will he make it to #4? If they pick LT2 at #1 will the QB of choice be there at #4?

                          Is Barkley really worth a #1 pick, probably not, #4 maybe but RB might be a real need position in Cleveland......sooner than later. -BUT- there are other stud  picks out there NOT QB or Barkley.....just see every other post I've put up over the last month plus. 

                          So what to do? D'UH trade up and get everything!  EUREKA! THE ANSWER HAS COME TO THE FAITHFUL!!  Oh too strong? 😆

                          Ghoolie even suggested it. If the G-men were amenable to a trade, here's what it would (realistically) cost. We move from #4 up to #2. New York gets our #35, and a future second. Deal? Anything more than that, I'd pass. 

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                            @mjp28 said:

                            The whole problem is the quarterback situation (with NO FA signing) if they take a QB at #1 they might miss LT2 or the next Payton or what ever they're calling the Penn State phenomenon now, will he make it to #4? If they pick LT2 at #1 will the QB of choice be there at #4?

                            Is Barkley really worth a #1 pick, probably not, #4 maybe but RB might be a real need position in Cleveland......sooner than later. -BUT- there are other stud  picks out there NOT QB or Barkley.....just see every other post I've put up over the last month plus. 

                            So what to do? D'UH trade up and get everything!  EUREKA! THE ANSWER HAS COME TO THE FAITHFUL!!  Oh too strong? 😆

                            Ghoolie even suggested it. If the G-men were amenable to a trade, here's what it would (realistically) cost. We move from #4 up to #2. New York gets our #35, and a future second. Deal? Anything more than that, I'd pass. 

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                            gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                            @hoorta said:

                             We move from #4 up to #2. New York gets our #35, and a future second. Deal? Anything more than that, I'd pass. 

                            check the bears from #3 to #2 with 9'ers last draft..we'd be reaching deeper than those 2 picks..pass on moving up from #4 but from #33 or #35 could make sense jumping back into 1st round.(if they target a player) 

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                              @ghoolie said:

                              If the Browns pass on Barkley it will haunt them forever.

                              Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                              And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                              It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                              As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                              In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

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                              GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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                              @the-gipper said:

                              Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                              And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                              It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                              As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                              In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

                              He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Well....they MIGHT take him at #4.

                                And, no....I don't think it would haunt them....any more than having passed on like Bosa/Elliot/Wentz etc. 

                                It would only haunt them if they passed on him...and he went to one of their AFCN rivals.    And considering that the Bengals draft #12...and Barkley is by no means likely to last that long.....it will not haunt them. 

                                As, I am of the opinion that if they do pass on him...they will likely get a RB likely in round 2.  And from all reports....there is actually little difference in talent between Barkley and the guys that are ranked behind him.

                                In other words....one of them could turn out to be just as good or better.

                                He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

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                                @ghoolie said:

                                He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

                                You have no clue.  Browns  99.9% likely to take QB at #1.   Indy wants Chubb...DE....unless they agree to trade down to a team ...the wants one of the QBs.  Only question is Giants. Most say they want the eventual replacement for Eli.  Still most likely.....but even if that is not where they want to go ..(they have always been a defensive oriented team and may go for the DE.  They also may not consider any RB worth the #2 pick.

                                I think the chances are  75% that Barkley is there at #4......and 50% that they pass on him.  RBs are a dime a dozen..

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                                  @ghoolie said:

                                  He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

                                  You have no clue.  Browns  99.9% likely to take QB at #1.   Indy wants Chubb...DE....unless they agree to trade down to a team ...the wants one of the QBs.  Only question is Giants. Most say they want the eventual replacement for Eli.  Still most likely.....but even if that is not where they want to go ..(they have always been a defensive oriented team and may go for the DE.  They also may not consider any RB worth the #2 pick.

                                  I think the chances are  75% that Barkley is there at #4......and 50% that they pass on him.  RBs are a dime a dozen..

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  You have no clue.  Browns  99.9% likely to take QB at #1.   Indy wants Chubb...DE....unless they agree to trade down to a team ...the wants one of the QBs.  Only question is Giants. Most say they want the eventual replacement for Eli.  Still most likely.....but even if that is not where they want to go ..(they have always been a defensive oriented team and may go for the DE.  They also may not consider any RB worth the #2 pick.

                                  I think the chances are  75% that Barkley is there at #4......and 50% that they pass on him.  RBs are a dime a dozen..

                                  I will laugh my dago butt off if Barkley is available at #4 and the Browns draft someone else. PoG will have a stroke. 

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                     We move from #4 up to #2. New York gets our #35, and a future second. Deal? Anything more than that, I'd pass. 

                                    check the bears from #3 to #2 with 9'ers last draft..we'd be reaching deeper than those 2 picks..pass on moving up from #4 but from #33 or #35 could make sense jumping back into 1st round.(if they target a player) 

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                                    @gumby73 said:

                                    check the bears from #3 to #2 with 9'ers last draft..we'd be reaching deeper than those 2 picks..pass on moving up from #4 but from #33 or #35 could make sense jumping back into 1st round.(if they target a player) 

                                    I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  It can't be ruled out the Giants will want to draft Eli's eventual replacement, and the Colts will either trade out of #3 to the Broncos- when they lose out on the Cousins sweepstakes, or just draft Chubb or  Nelson. 

                                    @ghoolie said:

                                    He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

                                    Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time, and has one Championship to his name. Wasn't drafted #1 either. It's all about the quarterback stupid. Changing your tune this year? 

                                    Let me give you some insight from Boss Dorsey at the Combine. Saquon is the best player in the draft AT HIS POSITION. Here's the order of importance.  

                                    "Asked to rank the most important positions on the field correlated with winning, Dorsey started with quarterback and rattled off four more -- pass rusher, cornerback, left tackle and wide receiver -- that are directly related to the passing game." LOL if o-linemen are dime a dozen, running backs are worth around two cents. 

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                                      @gumby73 said:

                                      check the bears from #3 to #2 with 9'ers last draft..we'd be reaching deeper than those 2 picks..pass on moving up from #4 but from #33 or #35 could make sense jumping back into 1st round.(if they target a player) 

                                      I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  It can't be ruled out the Giants will want to draft Eli's eventual replacement, and the Colts will either trade out of #3 to the Broncos- when they lose out on the Cousins sweepstakes, or just draft Chubb or  Nelson. 

                                      @ghoolie said:

                                      He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

                                      Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time, and has one Championship to his name. Wasn't drafted #1 either. It's all about the quarterback stupid. Changing your tune this year? 

                                      Let me give you some insight from Boss Dorsey at the Combine. Saquon is the best player in the draft AT HIS POSITION. Here's the order of importance.  

                                      "Asked to rank the most important positions on the field correlated with winning, Dorsey started with quarterback and rattled off four more -- pass rusher, cornerback, left tackle and wide receiver -- that are directly related to the passing game." LOL if o-linemen are dime a dozen, running backs are worth around two cents. 

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                                      @hoorta said:

                                      I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  

                                      Was your cat's 10 yard split faster than Barkley's? 😆Look again, the picks given..correct..The Bears moved 1 spot from #3 to #2 though...I dropped a 2nd 25 onz. Bud Light from my left hand at draft..Mitch or John Lynch still owes me a $8 dilly dilly..COLD! i think moving from #4 to #2 would cost ya little more..but some team below us may bring a bigger boat 

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                                        @hoorta said:

                                        I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  

                                        Was your cat's 10 yard split faster than Barkley's? 😆Look again, the picks given..correct..The Bears moved 1 spot from #3 to #2 though...I dropped a 2nd 25 onz. Bud Light from my left hand at draft..Mitch or John Lynch still owes me a $8 dilly dilly..COLD! i think moving from #4 to #2 would cost ya little more..but some team below us may bring a bigger boat 

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                                        @gumby73 said:

                                        Was your cat's 10 yard split faster than Barkley's? 😆 Look again, the picks given..correct..The Bears moved 1 spot from #3 to #2 though...I dropped a 2nd 25 onz. Bud Light from my left hand at draft..Mitch or John Lynch still owes me a $8 dilly dilly..COLD! i think moving from #4 to #2 would cost ya little more..but some team below us may bring a bigger boat 

                                        Norman is quite a mover. Strictly an indoor cat, (dang, he's developing the build of Orlando Brown, now that he's been rescued) but I'll time him when he rockets up 14 stairs to the bedrooms. 🙂  

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                                          @gumby73 said:

                                          check the bears from #3 to #2 with 9'ers last draft..we'd be reaching deeper than those 2 picks..pass on moving up from #4 but from #33 or #35 could make sense jumping back into 1st round.(if they target a player) 

                                          I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  It can't be ruled out the Giants will want to draft Eli's eventual replacement, and the Colts will either trade out of #3 to the Broncos- when they lose out on the Cousins sweepstakes, or just draft Chubb or  Nelson. 

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                                          He won't be available at 4. Don't be stupid. Barkley is the best player in the draft. Just like the browns were made asses of for picking the wrong guy at #1 #1, you can rest assured, I the browns pass on Barkely at #1, he will go fast at #2

                                          Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time, and has one Championship to his name. Wasn't drafted #1 either. It's all about the quarterback stupid. Changing your tune this year? 

                                          Let me give you some insight from Boss Dorsey at the Combine. Saquon is the best player in the draft AT HIS POSITION. Here's the order of importance.  

                                          "Asked to rank the most important positions on the field correlated with winning, Dorsey started with quarterback and rattled off four more -- pass rusher, cornerback, left tackle and wide receiver -- that are directly related to the passing game." LOL if o-linemen are dime a dozen, running backs are worth around two cents. 

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                                          @hoorta said:

                                          I did just look up what the Bears gave to get Mitch. A third, fourth, and a future third. Going from #4 to #2, my second and a future second sounds about right.  🙂  It can't be ruled out the Giants will want to draft Eli's eventual replacement, and the Colts will either trade out of #3 to the Broncos- when they lose out on the Cousins sweepstakes, or just draft Chubb or  Nelson. 

                                          Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time, and has one Championship to his name. Wasn't drafted #1 either. It's all about the quarterback stupid. Changing your tune this year? 

                                          Let me give you some insight from Boss Dorsey at the Combine. Saquon is the best player in the draft AT HIS POSITION. Here's the order of importance.  

                                          "Asked to rank the most important positions on the field correlated with winning, Dorsey started with quarterback and rattled off four more -- pass rusher, cornerback, left tackle and wide receiver -- that are directly related to the passing game." LOL if o-linemen are dime a dozen, running backs are worth around two cents. 

                                          The Browns have a QB. That they choose not to give him any weapons, and have a assivep, cowardly, Bernie-Marty style offense is not the kid's fault.

                                          Barkley is the best player in the draft. Period. He is the best player and the Browns should draft him. If they want to take a young qb in the draft, they can trade up to #2 to get who they want.

                                          Again, the Browns need to pick #1, #2, and then #4 or 5.     Barkely, a QB and a great WR, THey can trade next year's #1 along with Joe Thomas, Coleman, and Zumba girl in some combination to get the third 1st round pick.  1, 2, 4-5, then the early 2nd round pick..........RB QB WR  WR

                                          Time to commit to winning and stop with the horseschidt OL, diamond in the rough bullschidt. Anything less, and this is ANOTHER failed draft, just like last year's was.

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