The case AGAINST Barkley
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So nobody should risk a #1 pick on him? How high is too high 5, 10?
An absolute need player pick?
So nobody should risk a #1 pick on him?
That's a good point.
Seems like, the teams that could afford to take him aren't picking high enough in the draft. (they're too good). And the teams picking high enough have REAL needs at QB or pass rusher (the two top positions on current day NFL rosters). If you don't have a good QB then the RB's don't do ya much good because defenses can take that away if they're not worried about you burning them through the air. The running game is much more like accompaniment than in the old 'Jim Brown days'. (even then it was 3 TD passes to Gary Collins that won the championship for us in '64).
He'll REALLY HELP a good team...but he won't have a whole lot of affect on a team that cannot pass the ball.
Dorsey came to us at a great time. He was able to watch the team in action for 4 weeks. So he KNOWS that our QB play was poor and that our receivers are poor. There's no way he's gonna count on Josh Gordon (who would). He's seen that Coleman leaves a lot to be desired. Therefore he KNOWS that we cannot function in the passing game.
He also knows that Crow will be leaving. Hue hasn't got much good to say about Crow and Crow must hate him for it. So, we WILL need a RB. But I certainly don't see him spending a real high pick on one.
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Like i said I wouldn't mind if we took him #1. I also said I'm an advocate for drafting Lamar Jackson and I would love to see whay those 2 could do together. I'm just saying that it's easy to look at his atletecism and lose focus of how good of a football player he actually is.
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Overrated. There are better backs who don't cave upon first hit.
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Im not saying he isn't a very interesting prospect, but there are some concerns that need to be discussed.
1. Lack of experience in a pro style offense. The majority of his carries came from the shotgun.
2. Tendency to bounce outside. His superior atheticism allowed him to get around the corner often, but will he be able to that at the next level?
3. Dead legs. Barkley hits holes with authority, but when he meets a defender his legs stop moving most of the time. He reminds me of Crowell in this regard.
4. Questionable balance. There were alot of yards left on the field due to Barkley slipping and falling. I think he plays faster than his feet will allow.
I feel like he could be a special player, but I think there is more risk than people acknowledge. If we pick him #1 i won't be upset, but I think Penny, Chubb, and Guice are better value picks.
I feel like he could be a special player, but I think there is more risk than people acknowledge. If we pick him #1 i won't be upset, but I think Penny, Chubb, and Guice are better value picks.
That's where I'm at. You can find a back who will give you a whole lot of performance in round 2.
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Overrated. There are better backs who don't cave upon first hit.
Overrated. There are better backs who don't cave upon first hit.
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Overrated. There are better backs who don't cave upon first hit.
LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
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LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
Barkleys cuts are Barry Sanders like ( when he can stay on his feet) but as an overall RB I like Penny better. I would target him at #33.
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I like Penny, he's nice, but show me something special if you want me to believe he's worth being mentioned in the same breath as Barkley.
I see nice with Penny, nice, but not special. Watch this video and look at the blocking Penny has and the Competition he faced. San Jose State? Hawaii? Horrible, glorified HS teams...
Barkley played in the cold weather of our neighboring state and played some of the closest competition to what you can see in college to the NFL.
Watch the tape and tell me with a straight face that the circumstance of Penny and Barkley are even remotely relatable... remotely.
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LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
Saquon is far more Crowell like than Penny. Penny is one cut and gone like Zeke was. I think he's tougher and nastier. My concern is it seems all barkleys big plays are a lot of east west cuts and speed to the outside. He was spotty in college against some lesser competition. So he'll 100% dominate Against NFL defensive speed? We'll find out soon.
Barkleys cuts are Barry Sanders like ( when he can stay on his feet) but as an overall RB I like Penny better. I would target him at #33.
I listen to SD radio on the way to and from work. It's considered an insult that penny wasn't even a finalist for Doak walker award when he was the leading rusher. Wasn't a Heisman finalist... Isn't even mentioned in the "other running backs" videos or promos.
His brother is already an NFLer. He balled in the Sr bowl. He got over 200 yds rushing his last 4 games in a row. He ran a sub 4.5 at the combine, is 5'11 220. Also, he's only been the starter one year. Not many miles, just like Alvin Kamara. He's coming into his prime and he's got a chip on his shoulder
I'd love this guy on the Browns, but I rarely see him mentioned above rd 3 or 4. That's insane to me. Truly underrated this kid.
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Go ahead and tell a defense that they gotta chase a 230 pound Kangaroo around the field all game long and pay no attention to the Gordon sized Elephant about to take the top off the defense.
YOU GUYS ARE INSAIN!!! BUT I LOVE YOU CRAZY ShmuckS! THINK ABOUT GORDON AND BARKLEY AS A 1 - 2 PUNCH.... Shmucking NUTS YA ShmuckS YA.
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Dude... seriously. Let's just get them both. I love the running game. This is a great insurance policy in case anybody dings up the Bugotti. We can stand pat and "run" our gameplan as planned.
To be completely honest. I love Penny. The first time I watched him I saw Josh Cribbs reincarnated. For that reason I loved him first.
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I really do like Barkley but I think this is an outstanding group of RBs. Imagine Barkley at #1, trading back with the Cardinals at 15, landing Lamar Jackson plus picks and Mathieu. Good luck stopping that.
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I like Penny, he's nice, but show me something special if you want me to believe he's worth being mentioned in the same breath as Barkley.
I see nice with Penny, nice, but not special. Watch this video and look at the blocking Penny has and the Competition he faced. San Jose State? Hawaii? Horrible, glorified HS teams...
Barkley played in the cold weather of our neighboring state and played some of the closest competition to what you can see in college to the NFL.
Watch the tape and tell me with a straight face that the circumstance of Penny and Barkley are even remotely relatable... remotely.
I like Penny, he's nice, but show me something special if you want me to believe he's worth being mentioned in the same breath as Barkley.
I see nice with Penny, nice, but not special. Watch this video and look at the blocking Penny has and the Competition he faced. San Jose State? Hawaii? Horrible, glorified HS teams...
Barkley played in the cold weather of our neighboring state and played some of the closest competition to what you can see in college to the NFL.
Watch the tape and tell me with a straight face that the circumstance of Penny and Barkley are even remotely relatable... remotely.
175 yds vs Stanford. 216 yds vs ASU. He can only play who's on the schedule. He didn't fold vs good teams, he rose to the occasion
his reel from ASU game is crazy good. 90+ yds return and rushing td
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I really do like Barkley but I think this is an outstanding group of RBs. Imagine Barkley at #1, trading back with the Cardinals at 15, landing Lamar Jackson plus picks and Mathieu. Good luck stopping that.
I really do like Barkley but I think this is an outstanding group of RBs. Imagine Barkley at #1, trading back with the Cardinals at 15, landing Lamar Jackson plus picks and Mathieu. Good luck stopping that.
Chris Simms likes Jackson as his #1 qb. And thinks barkley is amazing. Both superb athletes. Jackson can be a superstar in the right system. He's going to crush the 40 at his pro day.
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Simms maybe a little biased. He went to a high school that was right by my old high school. His son went to Louisville then transferred to Tennessee if I'm not mistaken. Either way I agree with him this year. All of the top 5 guys have concerns but Lamar offers something special
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Simms maybe a little biased. He went to a high school that was right by my old high school. His son went to Louisville then transferred to Tennessee if I'm not mistaken. Either way I agree with him this year. All of the top 5 guys have concerns but Lamar offers something special
Simms maybe a little biased. He went to a high school that was right by my old high school. His son went to Louisville then transferred to Tennessee if I'm not mistaken. Either way I agree with him this year. All of the top 5 guys have concerns but Lamar offers something special
He's an insane athletic talent.
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LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.
Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell.
I was waiting for the YAC on Saquon- and as I suspected, it's not very good....
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When was he last time an elite RB has won the Super Bowl? Marshawn Lynch won in 2014 behind Russell Wilson and an elite defense, but it's kind of surprising to see the lack of superstar RB's like LaDanian Tomlinson win the SB in the past decade or so.
As much as I want Barkley, give me Bradley Chubb/Minkah and get a stud RB like Ronald Jones in the 2nd round.
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