The landry deal.....is there a browns tax?
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He's exactly what this team needs, a real old style football player. The kid just likes to play, gets himself open and catches the damn ball. That to me is a football player.
Couldn't agree more Aggies! He's the free agent I wanted most.
And by that, I meant way back when he was going to be a free agent prior to Miami slapping the tag on him and temporarily crushing my hopes. He's a proven WR at a Pro Bowl level. Not counting the supplemental draft - try to think back to the last time Cleveland DRAFTED a Pro Bowl WR. I go all the way back to BC (Before Cellphones).
Couldn't agree more Aggies! He's the free agent I wanted most.
And by that, I meant way back when he was going to be a free agent prior to Miami slapping the tag on him and temporarily crushing my hopes. He's a proven WR at a Pro Bowl level. Not counting the supplemental draft - try to think back to the last time Cleveland DRAFTED a Pro Bowl WR. I go all the way back to BC (Before Cellphones).
Well....I think Braylon did make the Pro Bowl in 2007....but that is the only guy since like Webster Slaughter.
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the patriots dont give plug and play wrs that sort of money though....landry is going to get a contract from the browns with guaranteed money probably above his value. Which is fine and all...not my money and we have the cap room and at least hes a good player
Of course NE did when they signed a WR with a Pro Bowl background. You don't think they paid big cake for Randy Moss?
And let's clarify some stuff here Taco. Wes Welker wasn't a Pro Bowl player when he arrived in NE while Danny Amendola was an undrafted Special Teamer before he arrived. Chris Hogan played lacrosse in college so he was just getting acclimated to a little situational football and fill in duty in Buffalo prior to NE.
I'm so pumped up - I'm not allowed to give out any more cyber fanny pats. I'm in time out man!
Of course NE did when they signed a WR with a Pro Bowl background. You don't think they paid big cake for Randy Moss?
And let's clarify some stuff here Taco. Wes Welker wasn't a Pro Bowl player when he arrived in NE while Danny Amendola was an undrafted Special Teamer before he arrived. Chris Hogan played lacrosse in college so he was just getting acclimated to a little situational football and fill in duty in Buffalo prior to NE.
I'm so pumped up - I'm not allowed to give out any more cyber fanny pats. I'm in time out man!
ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
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I got the exact pick wrong, but my overall point is the same- we are investing a ton(assuming we give him a contract...if not we have to tag him) in a slot reciever. Thats what I mean by the browns tax.
Landry was essentially a free agent we are signing....the dolphins only tagged him to trade him they didnt want to pay him the 16 million.
I got the exact pick wrong, but my overall point is the same- we are investing a ton(assuming we give him a contract...if not we have to tag him) in a slot reciever. Thats what I mean by the browns tax.
Landry was essentially a free agent we are signing....the dolphins only tagged him to trade him they didnt want to pay him the 16 million.
With the Browns cap space...I do NOT consider the money and a 4th round pick a "Ton". If the guy gets 80-100 catches...he could be well worth the money. And besides...they have ample opportunity to work out a long term deal...which could extend, but lower his contract annual average salary.
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Of course NE did when they signed a WR with a Pro Bowl background. You don't think they paid big cake for Randy Moss?
And let's clarify some stuff here Taco. Wes Welker wasn't a Pro Bowl player when he arrived in NE while Danny Amendola was an undrafted Special Teamer before he arrived. Chris Hogan played lacrosse in college so he was just getting acclimated to a little situational football and fill in duty in Buffalo prior to NE.
I'm so pumped up - I'm not allowed to give out any more cyber fanny pats. I'm in time out man!
ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
Why are you so worried about the goddam money? Browns have the money...and met a major need....and still have a ton left. Have you been asked to make Jimmy a loan? Don't freeking worry about the money....worry about the talent it brings.
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ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
Why are you so worried about the goddam money? Browns have the money...and met a major need....and still have a ton left. Have you been asked to make Jimmy a loan? Don't freeking worry about the money....worry about the talent it brings.
Why are you so worried about the goddam money? Browns have the money...and met a major need....and still have a ton left. Have you been asked to make Jimmy a loan? Don't freeking worry about the money....worry about the talent it brings.
TRUE. I think the most important thing is that the BROWNS go all out to try to stop the bleeding and maybe even save the franchise. They have the opportunity right now.
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I got the exact pick wrong, but my overall point is the same- we are investing a ton(assuming we give him a contract...if not we have to tag him) in a slot reciever. Thats what I mean by the browns tax.
Landry was essentially a free agent we are signing....the dolphins only tagged him to trade him they didnt want to pay him the 16 million.
I got the exact pick wrong, but my overall point is the same- we are investing a ton(assuming we give him a contract...if not we have to tag him) in a slot reciever. Thats what I mean by the browns tax.
Landry was essentially a free agent we are signing....the dolphins only tagged him to trade him they didnt want to pay him the 16 million.
Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
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I got the exact pick wrong, but my overall point is the same- we are investing a ton(assuming we give him a contract...if not we have to tag him) in a slot reciever. Thats what I mean by the browns tax.
Landry was essentially a free agent we are signing....the dolphins only tagged him to trade him they didnt want to pay him the 16 million.
Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
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Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
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The only thing that really counts is signing bonus. Landry wont get the "salary" part of the contract if he is no longer a Brown. Teams back load these deals with high salary amounts, but usually the player never sees a penny of that money unless he is just stud material and the team converts salary into signing bonus.
I have to believe that Dorsey scoured the FA slot WR market and saw this as the best option.
well not neccessarily, look at evans deal. There is typically guaranteed money on top of a signing bonus. In a 60 million dollar deal for example, the signing bonus may be for 14 and the guaranteed portion total(including the signing bonus) is 33.
but even apart from this if you sign a guy to a big signing bonus and cut him after a year or two, thats damn expensive too because in those cases the per year rate you paid him comes out to well above what it costs to even tag someone.
And landry isnt dumb...he knows he is playing on a tag with 16 guaranteed. What you said about tagged guys is true, but moreso true for the truly elite tagged player. Someone like antonio brown woudnt be interested in making 16 million on a one year tag. But jarvis landry? Sure....thats doable for him because he is not that caliber of player. And now when a good but not truly outstanding player carries a tag they have leverage. Just like the team has leverage with a tag over a brown-like player.
well not neccessarily, look at evans deal. There is typically guaranteed money on top of a signing bonus. In a 60 million dollar deal for example, the signing bonus may be for 14 and the guaranteed portion total(including the signing bonus) is 33.
but even apart from this if you sign a guy to a big signing bonus and cut him after a year or two, thats damn expensive too because in those cases the per year rate you paid him comes out to well above what it costs to even tag someone.
And landry isnt dumb...he knows he is playing on a tag with 16 guaranteed. What you said about tagged guys is true, but moreso true for the truly elite tagged player. Someone like antonio brown woudnt be interested in making 16 million on a one year tag. But jarvis landry? Sure....thats doable for him because he is not that caliber of player. And now when a good but not truly outstanding player carries a tag they have leverage. Just like the team has leverage with a tag over a brown-like player.
The meat and potatoes is in the fine print.
Sure there likely another bonus but only if Evans is on the team. Tampa will have an option to pick it up or not. Evans will be 28 in the 4th year of his contract before the regular season starts in September.
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Of course NE did when they signed a WR with a Pro Bowl background. You don't think they paid big cake for Randy Moss?
And let's clarify some stuff here Taco. Wes Welker wasn't a Pro Bowl player when he arrived in NE while Danny Amendola was an undrafted Special Teamer before he arrived. Chris Hogan played lacrosse in college so he was just getting acclimated to a little situational football and fill in duty in Buffalo prior to NE.
I'm so pumped up - I'm not allowed to give out any more cyber fanny pats. I'm in time out man!
ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
Which high school debate team trick do I tackle first here? First, I see why you chose not to use cut and paste so allow me: 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract. And that's 11 years ago before salaries have increased considerably. The final year of that contract (2010) - he also played for 2 other teams beside NE (Minn and TN). Not to ruin the hero's parade you're trying to throw the guy here; but could that have been because some someone's skill set went sky diving without a parachute? You forgot to include mention that he left NE dissatisfied over not receiving a new contract before the season.
Second, if I group both guys as Pro Bowl WRs/perceived #1 FA WR available (by their taker) - I'm placing them both in the same category while you're surgically repairing context to me saying Landry is having a better career. Randy Moss wasn't making Pro Bowls (just prior to NE) when he played on the Raiders, I mean sat out with soft tissue injuries for the duration of time with a non-playoff caliber team. So, exactly how does one sand bag? "Randy, what's your pain and discomfort on a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being most painful)?" Oh, it's a 10 can you see my limp? "Yeah, I got your limp right here - you can sit out as usual." I'd say that's quite a bit different than a guy that played in all 16 games during all 4 years of his career in a world of buyer beware. When Randy went to NE - he also wasn't 25 years old and coming off a season with 112 receptions. It was a troubled soul part of his career which I'm sure you'll conveniently forget for the sake of the quick sand you're trying to sell us.
Third, when Jake Reed and Cris Carter started outside in Minnesota - who was the young guy in the 84 jersey playing SLOT Receiver during the first 4 years of his career? Another similarity? Both guys aren't LIMITED to the slot every down. Why? 1 guy is a 6'4" freak and the other is a compact 5'11" 208 lb WR that allowed them to line up outside about 25-30% of the time.
The biggest drawback to the Randy Moss mentality of "I before team" was if things weren't going well for a franchise - he wasn't going to jeopardize his career for that kind of team just to help them win a few more games. Now, why would I bring this kind of thing up especially when a guy like Kenny Brat just got retained by NE?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Couldn't agree more Aggies! He's the free agent I wanted most.
And by that, I meant way back when he was going to be a free agent prior to Miami slapping the tag on him and temporarily crushing my hopes. He's a proven WR at a Pro Bowl level. Not counting the supplemental draft - try to think back to the last time Cleveland DRAFTED a Pro Bowl WR. I go all the way back to BC (Before Cellphones).
Well....I think Braylon did make the Pro Bowl in 2007....but that is the only guy since like Webster Slaughter.
Well....I think Braylon did make the Pro Bowl in 2007....but that is the only guy since like Webster Slaughter.
Good job by you Gips!
I forgot about the 1 year all the planets and stars aligned for our 3rd overall pick at WR. 16 TD receptions in that 10 win season where another 3rd overall pick Joe Thomas protected the blind side of QB. After Braylon worked his tail off rehabbing the surgically reconstructed knee - he showed up to that 2007 season focused and determined to prove why he was a 3rd overall pick. Unfortunately, he never repeated that level of focus and determination again or he would have stayed here or in the brighter lights - bigger cities after Cleveland longer than a cup of coffee or 2.
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these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
Yeah Larry, if one chooses the bigger picture analysis over lazy research - they aren't losing sleep over us signing this guy at all. It's nice to finally see a FO competitive enough to land this kind of WR in FA. Other than Barkley, that's about as close as it gets to seeing someone walking on water.
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There were reportedly five teams wanting to get Landry in a trade.
The ratibirds, jets and bears and Browns were four... per reports out there.
The Browns went for it.
The three glaring weaknesses of the Browns' roster - was at db, wr, and qb.
They got a very good db, an excellent wr, and a bridge qb that can show our new qb the ropes.
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Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Value , does not catch or garner passes.. A good pair of hands does...
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There were reportedly five teams wanting to get Landry in a trade.
The ratibirds, jets and bears and Browns were four... per reports out there.
The Browns went for it.
The three glaring weaknesses of the Browns' roster - was at db, wr, and qb.
They got a very good db, an excellent wr, and a bridge qb that can show our new qb the ropes.
There were reportedly five teams wanting to get Landry in a trade.
The ratibirds, jets and bears and Browns were four... per reports out there.
The Browns went for it.
The three glaring weaknesses of the Browns' roster - was at db, wr, and qb.
They got a very good db, an excellent wr, and a bridge qb that can show our new qb the ropes.
Whats our new QB gonna show to our rook,,, How run like a chicken in the backfield?
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well not neccessarily, look at evans deal. There is typically guaranteed money on top of a signing bonus. In a 60 million dollar deal for example, the signing bonus may be for 14 and the guaranteed portion total(including the signing bonus) is 33.
but even apart from this if you sign a guy to a big signing bonus and cut him after a year or two, thats damn expensive too because in those cases the per year rate you paid him comes out to well above what it costs to even tag someone.
And landry isnt dumb...he knows he is playing on a tag with 16 guaranteed. What you said about tagged guys is true, but moreso true for the truly elite tagged player. Someone like antonio brown woudnt be interested in making 16 million on a one year tag. But jarvis landry? Sure....thats doable for him because he is not that caliber of player. And now when a good but not truly outstanding player carries a tag they have leverage. Just like the team has leverage with a tag over a brown-like player.
The meat and potatoes is in the fine print.
Sure there likely another bonus but only if Evans is on the team. Tampa will have an option to pick it up or not. Evans will be 28 in the 4th year of his contract before the regular season starts in September.
The meat and potatoes is in the fine print.
Sure there likely another bonus but only if Evans is on the team. Tampa will have an option to pick it up or not. Evans will be 28 in the 4th year of his contract before the regular season starts in September.
you clearly havent seen the reports on evans contract. The guaranteed money for the evans deal is 55 million. Evans is guaranteed to make at least 55 million from that contract regardless of when evans is cut.
thats the way many of these contracts are now. there is a signing bonus and a guarantee amount that are usually different.
For landry the numbers will be different than evans, because obviously evans is a much different reciever. But I wouldnt be surprised if we have to guarantee landry 38 million. which is a lot for a guy with his track record.
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ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
Which high school debate team trick do I tackle first here? First, I see why you chose not to use cut and paste so allow me: 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract. And that's 11 years ago before salaries have increased considerably. The final year of that contract (2010) - he also played for 2 other teams beside NE (Minn and TN). Not to ruin the hero's parade you're trying to throw the guy here; but could that have been because some someone's skill set went sky diving without a parachute? You forgot to include mention that he left NE dissatisfied over not receiving a new contract before the season.
Second, if I group both guys as Pro Bowl WRs/perceived #1 FA WR available (by their taker) - I'm placing them both in the same category while you're surgically repairing context to me saying Landry is having a better career. Randy Moss wasn't making Pro Bowls (just prior to NE) when he played on the Raiders, I mean sat out with soft tissue injuries for the duration of time with a non-playoff caliber team. So, exactly how does one sand bag? "Randy, what's your pain and discomfort on a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being most painful)?" Oh, it's a 10 can you see my limp? "Yeah, I got your limp right here - you can sit out as usual." I'd say that's quite a bit different than a guy that played in all 16 games during all 4 years of his career in a world of buyer beware. When Randy went to NE - he also wasn't 25 years old and coming off a season with 112 receptions. It was a troubled soul part of his career which I'm sure you'll conveniently forget for the sake of the quick sand you're trying to sell us.
Third, when Jake Reed and Cris Carter started outside in Minnesota - who was the young guy in the 84 jersey playing SLOT Receiver during the first 4 years of his career? Another similarity? Both guys aren't LIMITED to the slot every down. Why? 1 guy is a 6'4" freak and the other is a compact 5'11" 208 lb WR that allowed them to line up outside about 25-30% of the time.
The biggest drawback to the Randy Moss mentality of "I before team" was if things weren't going well for a franchise - he wasn't going to jeopardize his career for that kind of team just to help them win a few more games. Now, why would I bring this kind of thing up especially when a guy like Kenny Brat just got retained by NE?
Which high school debate team trick do I tackle first here? First, I see why you chose not to use cut and paste so allow me: 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract.
well you should probably start with the first high school debate rule- get your facts straight. 2008.....that was ONE YEAR AFTER New england picked him up. The comparison to landry in this case going forward is what New England did with Moss in 2007. And moss came in with a huge contract number from oakland going into that year and NE made him take a huge haircut.
I dont dislike landry. But paying a guy top 10-12 reciever money to averahe 6 yards per target is not going to work. Here is to hoping the browns use him a lot different.
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these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
they franchised tagged him so they could trade him. duh. you cant trade a free agent.
Had they not found a trading partner, he would have been allowed to go to free agency this offseason in less than a month.
The dolphins had no interest in paying 16 million dollars for 6 yards per target on a tag, and werent going to.
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Oh please. Not especially valuable? Valuable enough to get franchise tagged!!! Landry repeats his past production, he's worth every dime of his contract.
Yeah Larry, if one chooses the bigger picture analysis over lazy research - they aren't losing sleep over us signing this guy at all. It's nice to finally see a FO competitive enough to land this kind of WR in FA. Other than Barkley, that's about as close as it gets to seeing someone walking on water.
Yeah Larry, if one chooses the bigger picture analysis over lazy research
I'll take advanced metrics over "oh gosh 100 catches he must be good" 'big picture analysis' every day......
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ummm...you may want to look up what NE actually paid moss(when he redid his contract) his first year there. I think you will be surprised.
That aside, are you honestly comparing Randy moss to Jarvis Landry? One of the(if not the?) greatest single offensive difference makers in nfl history to a pretty good slot reciever? really?
Which high school debate team trick do I tackle first here? First, I see why you chose not to use cut and paste so allow me: 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract. And that's 11 years ago before salaries have increased considerably. The final year of that contract (2010) - he also played for 2 other teams beside NE (Minn and TN). Not to ruin the hero's parade you're trying to throw the guy here; but could that have been because some someone's skill set went sky diving without a parachute? You forgot to include mention that he left NE dissatisfied over not receiving a new contract before the season.
Second, if I group both guys as Pro Bowl WRs/perceived #1 FA WR available (by their taker) - I'm placing them both in the same category while you're surgically repairing context to me saying Landry is having a better career. Randy Moss wasn't making Pro Bowls (just prior to NE) when he played on the Raiders, I mean sat out with soft tissue injuries for the duration of time with a non-playoff caliber team. So, exactly how does one sand bag? "Randy, what's your pain and discomfort on a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being most painful)?" Oh, it's a 10 can you see my limp? "Yeah, I got your limp right here - you can sit out as usual." I'd say that's quite a bit different than a guy that played in all 16 games during all 4 years of his career in a world of buyer beware. When Randy went to NE - he also wasn't 25 years old and coming off a season with 112 receptions. It was a troubled soul part of his career which I'm sure you'll conveniently forget for the sake of the quick sand you're trying to sell us.
Third, when Jake Reed and Cris Carter started outside in Minnesota - who was the young guy in the 84 jersey playing SLOT Receiver during the first 4 years of his career? Another similarity? Both guys aren't LIMITED to the slot every down. Why? 1 guy is a 6'4" freak and the other is a compact 5'11" 208 lb WR that allowed them to line up outside about 25-30% of the time.
The biggest drawback to the Randy Moss mentality of "I before team" was if things weren't going well for a franchise - he wasn't going to jeopardize his career for that kind of team just to help them win a few more games. Now, why would I bring this kind of thing up especially when a guy like Kenny Brat just got retained by NE?
Which high school debate team trick do I tackle first here? First, I see why you chose not to use cut and paste so allow me: 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract. And that's 11 years ago before salaries have increased considerably. The final year of that contract (2010) - he also played for 2 other teams beside NE (Minn and TN). Not to ruin the hero's parade you're trying to throw the guy here; but could that have been because some someone's skill set went sky diving without a parachute? You forgot to include mention that he left NE dissatisfied over not receiving a new contract before the season.
Second, if I group both guys as Pro Bowl WRs/perceived #1 FA WR available (by their taker) - I'm placing them both in the same category while you're surgically repairing context to me saying Landry is having a better career. Randy Moss wasn't making Pro Bowls (just prior to NE) when he played on the Raiders, I mean sat out with soft tissue injuries for the duration of time with a non-playoff caliber team. So, exactly how does one sand bag? "Randy, what's your pain and discomfort on a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being most painful)?" Oh, it's a 10 can you see my limp? "Yeah, I got your limp right here - you can sit out as usual." I'd say that's quite a bit different than a guy that played in all 16 games during all 4 years of his career in a world of buyer beware. When Randy went to NE - he also wasn't 25 years old and coming off a season with 112 receptions. It was a troubled soul part of his career which I'm sure you'll conveniently forget for the sake of the quick sand you're trying to sell us.
Third, when Jake Reed and Cris Carter started outside in Minnesota - who was the young guy in the 84 jersey playing SLOT Receiver during the first 4 years of his career? Another similarity? Both guys aren't LIMITED to the slot every down. Why? 1 guy is a 6'4" freak and the other is a compact 5'11" 208 lb WR that allowed them to line up outside about 25-30% of the time.
The biggest drawback to the Randy Moss mentality of "I before team" was if things weren't going well for a franchise - he wasn't going to jeopardize his career for that kind of team just to help them win a few more games. Now, why would I bring this kind of thing up especially when a guy like Kenny Brat just got retained by NE?
Flugel, 1. nice analysis of a great receiver who I've always felt played with a chip on his shoulder because instead of playing big time D-1A football ended up at the local school Marshall, largely due to his own actions. But hey we're all young once.......just not insanely talented.
2. You either have too much time on your hands -or- are just insanely talented.
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