From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
So now the guy who said "stats" is saying, "Stats? Who said stats? I didn't say 'stats'... but if I had said stats, I would have meant 'numbers'... or something."
Adjusted Completion Percentage and Big-Time Throw Percentage... that's two... of 10. Fixate much?
Every other plotted point is a "grade"... as in watched every snap... graded every play... did the math. A "grade" is not a "stat".
Of the 10 criteria your boy is above average, the average for the entire draft class, in three: Big-time Throw %, Intermed Grade and Rushing Grade.
And he is damn near on the center in two: Adj Compl % and Blitz Grade. The latter says he folds like the proverbial cheap suit.
Pivot and project and pretend... the cal way.
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I don't know. I'm kind of feeling we're going to take Josh Allen.
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I don't know. I'm kind of feeling we're going to take Josh Allen.
I don't know. I'm kind of feeling we're going to take Josh Allen.
It actually makes a ton of sense.
The Browns haven't been the laughingstock of the NFL since 1999 on accident.
Drafting Allen would be help continue this trend. I've said it before - there isn't a worse combination than Allen and the Browns, for both parties involved.
If Dorsey drafts Allen, his clock is ticking to the day he's fired.
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Furthermore - the only two times rosen had to play a team away game, in cold climates late in OCT/NOV...
he lost 44-23 to Washington, and 48017 in Utah.
vs Washington, rosen was 12 of 21 for only 91 yards, 4 sacks, 1 TD. He had 8 rushing attempts, for -19 yards net.
vs Utah, he didn't play, had a concussion.
Drafting rosen when he had to play up north and miserably failed for the Browns makes no sense at all.
Furthermore - the only two times rosen had to play a team away game, in cold climates late in OCT/NOV...
he lost 44-23 to Washington, and 48017 in Utah.
vs Washington, rosen was 12 of 21 for only 91 yards, 4 sacks, 1 TD. He had 8 rushing attempts, for -19 yards net.
vs Utah, he didn't play, had a concussion.
Drafting rosen when he had to play up north and miserably failed for the Browns makes no sense at all.
So, you're using stats in a game he got pulled with an injury and another game that he wasn't even playing in as proof he can't play in the cold? Got it.
What makes less sense is expecting a QB who averaged 56% for 164.72 yds a game will miraculously be accurate and throw for huge yards in the pros where the windows are tighter and the game's way faster. Wyoming winning 8 games is certainly not all because of a QB who throws just 24-25 times a game. If he was that "AMAZING" he'd be throwing 40-50 times a game and their offense would be centered around him, don't you think? Allen might have a powerful arm, but that's not nearly enough in the NFL. He's got a long way to go, and #1 picks usually aren't guys with a lot of work needed.
You seem to gloss over the fact that UCLA defense allowed 36.8 PPG, and Wyoming allowed 17.8. Wyoming only scored 23.5 PPG and UCLA scored 32.5 PPG. The narrative of "Allen wins games and Rosen loses games" is a bunch of crap.
Stats and full game film will never be on your side when comparing Allen to anyone. It's like taking a butter knife to a gunfight.
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Furthermore - the only two times rosen had to play a team away game, in cold climates late in OCT/NOV...
he lost 44-23 to Washington, and 48017 in Utah.
vs Washington, rosen was 12 of 21 for only 91 yards, 4 sacks, 1 TD. He had 8 rushing attempts, for -19 yards net.
vs Utah, he didn't play, had a concussion.
Drafting rosen when he had to play up north and miserably failed for the Browns makes no sense at all.
So, you're using stats in a game he got pulled with an injury and another game that he wasn't even playing in as proof he can't play in the cold? Got it.
What makes less sense is expecting a QB who averaged 56% for 164.72 yds a game will miraculously be accurate and throw for huge yards in the pros where the windows are tighter and the game's way faster. Wyoming winning 8 games is certainly not all because of a QB who throws just 24-25 times a game. If he was that "AMAZING" he'd be throwing 40-50 times a game and their offense would be centered around him, don't you think? Allen might have a powerful arm, but that's not nearly enough in the NFL. He's got a long way to go, and #1 picks usually aren't guys with a lot of work needed.
You seem to gloss over the fact that UCLA defense allowed 36.8 PPG, and Wyoming allowed 17.8. Wyoming only scored 23.5 PPG and UCLA scored 32.5 PPG. The narrative of "Allen wins games and Rosen loses games" is a bunch of crap.
Stats and full game film will never be on your side when comparing Allen to anyone. It's like taking a butter knife to a gunfight.
So, you're using stats in a game he got pulled with an injury and another game that he wasn't even playing in as proof he can't play in the cold? Got it.
Stats and full game film will never be on your side when comparing Allen to anyone. It's like taking a butter knife to a gunfight.
Snowflake only likes to use stats when they fit his argument. He doesn't like the stats that Allen put up against the top competition that they faced because it makes his boy look bad and blames it on the rest of the team, not the guy leading that team at the most important position.
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bs. I'm not against stats, I say to ONLY GO BY CONCRETE STATS is a bunch of hooey. That is how mistakes are made in the draft.
The intangibles are extremely important, sissy markie - even tour probably knows it.... but you ignore intangibles because the other top qb's HAVE THEM, and rosen has ..."perfect pocket passer".
Goff was far, far and away a superior candidate compared to Goff. He loves the game, etc.
rosen is jimmy clausen - he won't have many veterans believe in him if he keeps whining after he gets his first contract.
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So, you're using stats in a game he got pulled with an injury and another game that he wasn't even playing in as proof he can't play in the cold? Got it.
Stats and full game film will never be on your side when comparing Allen to anyone. It's like taking a butter knife to a gunfight.
Snowflake only likes to use stats when they fit his argument. He doesn't like the stats that Allen put up against the top competition that they faced because it makes his boy look bad and blames it on the rest of the team, not the guy leading that team at the most important position.
So, you're using stats in a game he got pulled with an injury and another game that he wasn't even playing in as proof he can't play in the cold? Got it.
wrong. I'm showing that does NOT show he can play in the cold. Maybe he had a concussion, or maybe he said he did because he was failing, and he deserves better than to struggle in a game.
You see that completion rate? ROSEN was 12 of 21? Guess what percentage that is. 57 percent. Well, golly gee, what in the HELL happened to the super duper perfect passer? He played in the cold, he sucked. You use stats to demean Allen, at least admit that rosen had a very bad game, the only one he played in cool/cold weather.
When the chips were down, rosen only completed 57 % of his passes. He isn't the superhuman you completion percentage wonks think he is.
There's some facts for ya.
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so the bar changes in favor of rosen every time. Rosen played with a lot of seniors. Allen did not.
Rosen played with a LT that will go in the first round. Allen did not. Allen led his underdog team to the bowl game,
and rocked it - they WON. Allen rocked the ...second half...of the senior bowl.
and, ROSEN GOT HIS HEAD COACH FIRED as his qb.... of course it isn't all on rosen...maybe, but that is how it would
be said if it was Allen.
rosen was so good his head coach was fired. LOL
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bs. I'm not against stats, I say to ONLY GO BY CONCRETE STATS is a bunch of hooey. That is how mistakes are made in the draft.
The intangibles are extremely important, sissy markie - even tour probably knows it.... but you ignore intangibles because the other top qb's HAVE THEM, and rosen has ..."perfect pocket passer".
Goff was far, far and away a superior candidate compared to Goff. He loves the game, etc.
rosen is jimmy clausen - he won't have many veterans believe in him if he keeps whining after he gets his first contract.
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so the bar changes in favor of rosen every time. Rosen played with a lot of seniors. Allen did not.
Rosen played with a LT that will go in the first round. Allen did not. Allen led his underdog team to the bowl game,
and rocked it - they WON. Allen rocked the ...second half...of the senior bowl.
and, ROSEN GOT HIS HEAD COACH FIRED as his qb.... of course it isn't all on rosen...maybe, but that is how it would
be said if it was Allen.
rosen was so good his head coach was fired. LOL
so the bar changes in favor of rosen every time. Rosen played with a lot of seniors. Allen did not.
Rosen played with a LT that will go in the first round. Allen did not. Allen led his underdog team to the bowl game,
and rocked it - they WON. Allen rocked the ...second half...of the senior bowl.
and, ROSEN GOT HIS HEAD COACH FIRED as his qb.... of course it isn't all on rosen...maybe, but that is how it would
be said if it was Allen.
rosen was so good his head coach was fired. LOL
Maybe you saw it in another thread, maybe not. Mora got fired because he couldn't develop talent. (Bret Hundley) That Rosen was solely responsible for getting his coach fired is complete BS.
The bar changes in favor of Rosen every time, um because he's a better prospect. Your broken record is something that can't be quantified- intangibles, which have largely been debunked.
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well, why don't we end the repetitive ping pong biz, and we'll see how the draft goes. Darnold or Allen for the Browns, says I.
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I've seen enough of Dorsey and I trust his track record enough to trust him on his #1 pick whoever it is. Unless it's Barkley.
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New day... time to play...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Good tweet to leave in summary...
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as we continue to debate Josh Allen, my mind always comes back to this blurb from the excellent
@BenjaminSolak
9:33 AM - 5 Apr 2018"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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