Darnold at #1?
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"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
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"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
Have you been taking writing lessons from gumby?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
Leafs stats at WSU are far closer to Allen than Rosen.
Big tall inaccurate qb. Sounds familiar.
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I do think Rosen has great potential, just pointing out there are more questions than Darnold.
ummm... no...
There is no... I repeat, no... comparison between the floors of these two QB prospects. See the visual evidence for the post above as a starting point.
Anticipation... hitting a primary receiver who is entering a dead spot in a zone is not NFL grade anticipation and neither is hitting a streaking WR clearing his man. Throwing to an opening man is not the same as throwing a man open... and it is the latter that takes anticipation.
Keeps his eyes Downfield? All the time? No... drops eyes to the rush. Now once clear he looks back up... throws it if he is running east/west... runs it if he's heading north/south. He is not adept at sliding in the pocket, but bails prematurely.
I love this San Capistrano blue-collar narrative... but Dad is a plumber... a medical gas plumber who pulls down 6-figues...
"Recruited" to play LB (nice Wikipedia use there)... yeah when he was a Sophomore in HS and the USC DC stopped by the school. At the time he was splitting his time between LB and WR.
Switched to QB but was hurt most of his JR year. Played his Sr. year. The started two years at USC. For those who are counting that's 3 years and change of QB'ing at the HS and College level.
Small wonder the kid lacks the biggest plus of all... read progressions.
Good player... good kid... posted good numbers despite many, many flaws from his feet to his elongated throwing motion (a source of turnovers) and questionable ball security and head.
If he's the next Browns QB as more and more sources are saying, then I will root for his success, but I'm going in with my eyes wide open.
ummm... no...
There is no... I repeat, no... comparison between the floors of these two QB prospects. See the visual evidence for the post above as a starting point.
Anticipation... hitting a primary receiver who is entering a dead spot in a zone is not NFL grade anticipation and neither is hitting a streaking WR clearing his man. Throwing to an opening man is not the same as throwing a man open... and it is the latter that takes anticipation.
Keeps his eyes Downfield? All the time? No... drops eyes to the rush. Now once clear he looks back up... throws it if he is running east/west... runs it if he's heading north/south. He is not adept at sliding in the pocket, but bails prematurely.
I love this San Capistrano blue-collar narrative... but Dad is a plumber... a medical gas plumber who pulls down 6-figues...
"Recruited" to play LB (nice Wikipedia use there)... yeah when he was a Sophomore in HS and the USC DC stopped by the school. At the time he was splitting his time between LB and WR.
Switched to QB but was hurt most of his JR year. Played his Sr. year. The started two years at USC. For those who are counting that's 3 years and change of QB'ing at the HS and College level.
Small wonder the kid lacks the biggest plus of all... read progressions.
Good player... good kid... posted good numbers despite many, many flaws from his feet to his elongated throwing motion (a source of turnovers) and questionable ball security and head.
If he's the next Browns QB as more and more sources are saying, then I will root for his success, but I'm going in with my eyes wide open.
Sorry , hmm I have been following sc recruiting and watching usc football since 1993 where I attended school had went to classes with Rob Johnson, Willie McGinest and Jason Seahorn. I can pretty much say I know more about sc players than probably anyone on this board. During summer, at Lyon center I would often play basketball with guys on the football team and talked to them about football like kyle waholtz and the late Darrall Russell. Heck, I thought Dylon Mccutchen would have a hall of fame career as a Brown. I knew Sammy knight was better than his 4.9 40 time at the combine that dropped him to either late rounds or FA pick up. He was a real football player. I was wrong about some players projection in the nfl like Rob Johnson, R J Soward, Matt Lienart. I wished them to do well but l also knew Matt Barkley, John David Booty, mitch mustain, Cody Kessler pretty much will be lower tier qbs. And I also hoped Randall Cunningham's kid who is on the sc track team who won the ncaa in high jump would play Qb at SC. He is a jr i believe and was qb at Bishop Gorman high, LV. was the qb there before Tate Martell who was recently backup to j.t. at osu. We also have a kid from Mater dei, power house sc pipeline along with Serra and long beach poly, have another qb JT Daniels coming in this fall who many project to be the starter at the end of the season. He as a jr won the gatorade high schoolnplayer of the year..just like matt barkley and Browne and reclassified to Sr. to graduate early. I can tell you all about california recruiting esp. Those involving usc. And from my expert view of the two qbs....darnold is a winner. Has that "it" factor. Rosen was the chosen one...roster full of top 10~15 ranked recruiting classes with and after and never winning any games that mattered and lossing to inferior teams. He hasnt shown me that he can win games. Matter of fact I think he is lesser qb than Cade Mcnown coming out of ucla. I don't know about Allen or Mayfield I know about the Darnold and Rosen. Both may end up being Manning/Brady, however Darnold is a better prospect and will be better in the nfl.
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Basically a "I'm an alumnus so I can't be wrong" post...
Meanwhile I'm more than capable of being objective about the Bucks.
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ummm... no...
There is no... I repeat, no... comparison between the floors of these two QB prospects. See the visual evidence for the post above as a starting point.
Anticipation... hitting a primary receiver who is entering a dead spot in a zone is not NFL grade anticipation and neither is hitting a streaking WR clearing his man. Throwing to an opening man is not the same as throwing a man open... and it is the latter that takes anticipation.
Keeps his eyes Downfield? All the time? No... drops eyes to the rush. Now once clear he looks back up... throws it if he is running east/west... runs it if he's heading north/south. He is not adept at sliding in the pocket, but bails prematurely.
I love this San Capistrano blue-collar narrative... but Dad is a plumber... a medical gas plumber who pulls down 6-figues...
"Recruited" to play LB (nice Wikipedia use there)... yeah when he was a Sophomore in HS and the USC DC stopped by the school. At the time he was splitting his time between LB and WR.
Switched to QB but was hurt most of his JR year. Played his Sr. year. The started two years at USC. For those who are counting that's 3 years and change of QB'ing at the HS and College level.
Small wonder the kid lacks the biggest plus of all... read progressions.
Good player... good kid... posted good numbers despite many, many flaws from his feet to his elongated throwing motion (a source of turnovers) and questionable ball security and head.
If he's the next Browns QB as more and more sources are saying, then I will root for his success, but I'm going in with my eyes wide open.
Sorry , hmm I have been following sc recruiting and watching usc football since 1993 where I attended school had went to classes with Rob Johnson, Willie McGinest and Jason Seahorn. I can pretty much say I know more about sc players than probably anyone on this board. During summer, at Lyon center I would often play basketball with guys on the football team and talked to them about football like kyle waholtz and the late Darrall Russell. Heck, I thought Dylon Mccutchen would have a hall of fame career as a Brown. I knew Sammy knight was better than his 4.9 40 time at the combine that dropped him to either late rounds or FA pick up. He was a real football player. I was wrong about some players projection in the nfl like Rob Johnson, R J Soward, Matt Lienart. I wished them to do well but l also knew Matt Barkley, John David Booty, mitch mustain, Cody Kessler pretty much will be lower tier qbs. And I also hoped Randall Cunningham's kid who is on the sc track team who won the ncaa in high jump would play Qb at SC. He is a jr i believe and was qb at Bishop Gorman high, LV. was the qb there before Tate Martell who was recently backup to j.t. at osu. We also have a kid from Mater dei, power house sc pipeline along with Serra and long beach poly, have another qb JT Daniels coming in this fall who many project to be the starter at the end of the season. He as a jr won the gatorade high schoolnplayer of the year..just like matt barkley and Browne and reclassified to Sr. to graduate early. I can tell you all about california recruiting esp. Those involving usc. And from my expert view of the two qbs....darnold is a winner. Has that "it" factor. Rosen was the chosen one...roster full of top 10~15 ranked recruiting classes with and after and never winning any games that mattered and lossing to inferior teams. He hasnt shown me that he can win games. Matter of fact I think he is lesser qb than Cade Mcnown coming out of ucla. I don't know about Allen or Mayfield I know about the Darnold and Rosen. Both may end up being Manning/Brady, however Darnold is a better prospect and will be better in the nfl.
And from my expert view of the two qbs
Ah... an "expert"... I make pointed criticisms and you respond with your resume? Is that what experts do?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And from my expert view of the two qbs
Ah... an "expert"... I make pointed criticisms and you respond with your resume? Is that what experts do?
Ah... an "expert"... I make pointed criticisms and you respond with your resume? Is that what experts do?
Still haven't gotten my response.
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Still haven't gotten my response.
True in your case, but in mine in fairness I was mostly refuting his points, so I'm not sure what more he can add.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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ummm... no...
There is no... I repeat, no... comparison between the floors of these two QB prospects. See the visual evidence for the post above as a starting point.
Anticipation... hitting a primary receiver who is entering a dead spot in a zone is not NFL grade anticipation and neither is hitting a streaking WR clearing his man. Throwing to an opening man is not the same as throwing a man open... and it is the latter that takes anticipation.
Keeps his eyes Downfield? All the time? No... drops eyes to the rush. Now once clear he looks back up... throws it if he is running east/west... runs it if he's heading north/south. He is not adept at sliding in the pocket, but bails prematurely.
I love this San Capistrano blue-collar narrative... but Dad is a plumber... a medical gas plumber who pulls down 6-figues...
"Recruited" to play LB (nice Wikipedia use there)... yeah when he was a Sophomore in HS and the USC DC stopped by the school. At the time he was splitting his time between LB and WR.
Switched to QB but was hurt most of his JR year. Played his Sr. year. The started two years at USC. For those who are counting that's 3 years and change of QB'ing at the HS and College level.
Small wonder the kid lacks the biggest plus of all... read progressions.
Good player... good kid... posted good numbers despite many, many flaws from his feet to his elongated throwing motion (a source of turnovers) and questionable ball security and head.
If he's the next Browns QB as more and more sources are saying, then I will root for his success, but I'm going in with my eyes wide open.
Sorry , hmm I have been following sc recruiting and watching usc football since 1993 where I attended school had went to classes with Rob Johnson, Willie McGinest and Jason Seahorn. I can pretty much say I know more about sc players than probably anyone on this board. During summer, at Lyon center I would often play basketball with guys on the football team and talked to them about football like kyle waholtz and the late Darrall Russell. Heck, I thought Dylon Mccutchen would have a hall of fame career as a Brown. I knew Sammy knight was better than his 4.9 40 time at the combine that dropped him to either late rounds or FA pick up. He was a real football player. I was wrong about some players projection in the nfl like Rob Johnson, R J Soward, Matt Lienart. I wished them to do well but l also knew Matt Barkley, John David Booty, mitch mustain, Cody Kessler pretty much will be lower tier qbs. And I also hoped Randall Cunningham's kid who is on the sc track team who won the ncaa in high jump would play Qb at SC. He is a jr i believe and was qb at Bishop Gorman high, LV. was the qb there before Tate Martell who was recently backup to j.t. at osu. We also have a kid from Mater dei, power house sc pipeline along with Serra and long beach poly, have another qb JT Daniels coming in this fall who many project to be the starter at the end of the season. He as a jr won the gatorade high schoolnplayer of the year..just like matt barkley and Browne and reclassified to Sr. to graduate early. I can tell you all about california recruiting esp. Those involving usc. And from my expert view of the two qbs....darnold is a winner. Has that "it" factor. Rosen was the chosen one...roster full of top 10~15 ranked recruiting classes with and after and never winning any games that mattered and lossing to inferior teams. He hasnt shown me that he can win games. Matter of fact I think he is lesser qb than Cade Mcnown coming out of ucla. I don't know about Allen or Mayfield I know about the Darnold and Rosen. Both may end up being Manning/Brady, however Darnold is a better prospect and will be better in the nfl.
Sorry , hmm I have been following sc recruiting and watching usc football since 1993 where I att3nded school had went to classes with Rob Johnson, Willie Mcginest and jason Seahorn. I can pretty much say I know more about sc players than probably anyone on this board. During summer, at Lyon center I would often play basketball with guys on the football team and talknto them about football like kyle waholtz and the late Darrall Russell. Heck, I thought dylon Mccutchen would have a hall of fame career as a Brown. I knew Sammy knight was better than his 4.9 40 time at the combine that dropped him to either late rounds or FA pick up. He was a real football player. I was wrong about some players projection in the nfl like Rob Johnson, R J Soward, Matt Lienart. I wished them to do well but l also knew Matt Barkley, John david booty, mitch mustain, Cody cassler pretty much will be lower tier qbs. And I also hoped Randell Cunningham's kid who is on the sc track team who won the ncaa in high jump would play Qb at SC. He is a jr i believe and was qb at Bishop Gorman high, LV. was the qb there before Tate Martell who was recently backup to j.t. at osu. We also have a kid from Mater dei, power house sc pipeline along with Serra and long beach poly, have another qb JT Daniels coming in this fall who many project to be the starter at the end of the season. He as a jr won the gatorade high schoolnplayer of the year..just like matt barkley and Browne and reclassified to Sr. to graduate early. I can tell you all about california recruiting esp. Those involving usc. And from my expert view of the two qbs....darnold is a winner. Has that "it" factor. Rosen was the chosen one...roster full of top 10~15 ranked recruiting classes with and after and never winning any games that mattered and lossing to inferior teams. He hasnt shown me that he can win games. Matter of fact I think he is lesser qb than Cade Mcnown coming out of ucla. I don't know about Allen or Mayfield I know about the Darnold and Rosen. Both may end up being Manning/Brady, however Darnold is a better prospect and will be better in the nfl.
An SC alum preferring an SC qb over a UCLA one.
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"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
All the problems are fixable because he hasn't had much coaching up until now. So there is risk of him not able to overcome it. But from what I have seen shows me he has a lot of fight and willingness to improve. And Like I have beening saying he addressed some of that by making some noticable improvements since Cotton bowl to his pro day.
Rosen in the other hand has no excuses with his great machanics and skills that he couldn't make his team better and win.
Isnt it the qb's job to lead his team to win? Isnt it what great qb are judged by?
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Sorry , hmm I have been following sc recruiting and watching usc football since 1993 where I att3nded school had went to classes with Rob Johnson, Willie Mcginest and jason Seahorn. I can pretty much say I know more about sc players than probably anyone on this board. During summer, at Lyon center I would often play basketball with guys on the football team and talknto them about football like kyle waholtz and the late Darrall Russell. Heck, I thought dylon Mccutchen would have a hall of fame career as a Brown. I knew Sammy knight was better than his 4.9 40 time at the combine that dropped him to either late rounds or FA pick up. He was a real football player. I was wrong about some players projection in the nfl like Rob Johnson, R J Soward, Matt Lienart. I wished them to do well but l also knew Matt Barkley, John david booty, mitch mustain, Cody cassler pretty much will be lower tier qbs. And I also hoped Randell Cunningham's kid who is on the sc track team who won the ncaa in high jump would play Qb at SC. He is a jr i believe and was qb at Bishop Gorman high, LV. was the qb there before Tate Martell who was recently backup to j.t. at osu. We also have a kid from Mater dei, power house sc pipeline along with Serra and long beach poly, have another qb JT Daniels coming in this fall who many project to be the starter at the end of the season. He as a jr won the gatorade high schoolnplayer of the year..just like matt barkley and Browne and reclassified to Sr. to graduate early. I can tell you all about california recruiting esp. Those involving usc. And from my expert view of the two qbs....darnold is a winner. Has that "it" factor. Rosen was the chosen one...roster full of top 10~15 ranked recruiting classes with and after and never winning any games that mattered and lossing to inferior teams. He hasnt shown me that he can win games. Matter of fact I think he is lesser qb than Cade Mcnown coming out of ucla. I don't know about Allen or Mayfield I know about the Darnold and Rosen. Both may end up being Manning/Brady, however Darnold is a better prospect and will be better in the nfl.
An SC alum preferring an SC qb over a UCLA one.
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Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
All the problems are fixable because he hasn't had much coaching up until now. So there is risk of him not able to overcome it. But from what I have seen shows me he has a lot of fight and willingness to improve. And Like I have beening saying he addressed some of that by making some noticable improvements since Cotton bowl to his pro day.
Rosen in the other hand has no excuses with his great machanics and skills that he couldn't make his team better and win.
Isnt it the qb's job to lead his team to win? Isnt it what great qb are judged by?
All the problems are fixable because he hasn't had much coaching up until now. So there is risk of him not able to overcome it. But from what I have seen shows me he has a lot of fight and willingness to improve. And Like I have beening saying he addressed some of that by making some noticable improvements since Cotton bowl to his pro day.
Rosen in the other hand has no excuses with his great machanics and skills that he couldn't make his team better and win.
Isnt it the qb's job to lead his team to win? Isnt it what great qb are judged by?
USC averaged 32.6 PPG, and gave up 26.3 PPG.
UCLA averaged 32.5 PPG and gave up 36.8 PPG
Rushing totals...USC ranked #33, UCLA ranked #114
but yeah, keep lying to yourself that it's all on Rosen. What a bum.
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I have a feeling that Josh Rosen's injury history is a bit overplayed, but his concussion that held him out for significant time has to be a concern...ESPECIALLY to a team like ours who knows first hand how concussions affect a QB. I'm sure all these guys look great throwing the pill in shorts, but the one thing I want to know is who was the best QB at progressing through multiple reads and then firing a strike? Who has THAT ability above all the others? My untrained eye tells me Rosen did this more than others. I could hardly find examples of Josh Allen doing this.
To me, that's the most important thing an NFL QB has to be able to do on a routine basis. Snap, scan, fire...ACCURATELY. Rosen reminds me a little bit of Matt Ryan in this way, although maybe not quite as good in some areas. I want to know if Sam Darnold can scan in the pocket. He seems to get a little excited and then run to his right. Don't get me wrong, he's dang good at it, but it's a good way to die in the NFL, and defenses will figure that crap out quickly. If our coaches and scouts determine Darnold can learn to stay in the pocket and scan the field without panicking, then he's probably the choice. Darnold has my ideal blend of speed, power, arm talent, and toughness. He does not throw as pretty as Rosen, but he's way more athletic, and I think that's almost necessary in today's game.
The biggest question mark is Baker Mayfield. In his college offense, he wasn't asked to scan the field and fire the ball often. Those dang air raid schemes make it very difficult to get a handle on how the QB will project. Baker has to be considered because he's so good at getting the ball where he wants it, and he's adept at hitting his guy in stride. I know much has been said about Rosen's personality, and how he might not be the most "likeable" guy on the field. Conversely, Darnold seems to be the quiet, stoic, and rock solid guy. Baker, on the other hand, is a different story. I actually think his personality is JUST what we need on our team. We could use a little fire, a touch of moxie. We've been the NFL whipping boy for far too long, and I could totally see Baker helping to change that. Baker Mayfield and the Dawg Pound....I can see it.
I think I've gotten to the point where I can see each of these guys wearing a Browns uniform. Each of them has a unique skill set, and their own detractors. The hard part that I'm just now realizing is that whoever we take is likely NOT to play this year. How crazy is that? Having the #1 pick and not getting to see the new toy?! Of course, not playing the rookie is often the plan until the plan turns upside down, lol. And considering Hue Jackson is on the hottest hot seat there is, I have a hard time believing he'd draft a QB #1 and then never get to play him considering he might not be back in 2019. So I'm thinking we see our rookie at some point.
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"Rosen's floor in the ceiling" lol
"so, rosen, don't be acting like a psycho jackwagon, at least until after you get your first contract.
Then, you will be a millionaire, and you can go ahead and give the NFL the finger"
that kind of floor? The same floor as ryan leaf had?
going to be a FUN DRAFT !
Wasn't aware Rosen was doing rails at half-time in the locker room.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
But I did watch an Aaron Rodgers highlight and kept hearing from Burman about Rodgers 'attitude' adding to his draft slide.
....feels remarkably similar.
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
You looked in on that other section enough to know that logic has nothing to do with cal's posts when he's attacking someone... matters not what that someone is a candidate for. Browns QB or President... same same.
It goes no deeper than him comparing the worst QB prospect he can think of to the QB prospect he likes least.
All the problems are fixable because he hasn't had much coaching up until now. So there is risk of him not able to overcome it. But from what I have seen shows me he has a lot of fight and willingness to improve. And Like I have beening saying he addressed some of that by making some noticable improvements since Cotton bowl to his pro day.
Rosen in the other hand has no excuses with his great machanics and skills that he couldn't make his team better and win.
Isnt it the qb's job to lead his team to win? Isnt it what great qb are judged by?
You should have stopped with being USC biased... Instead now you are on the thin ice of:
- bad coaching ---> ingrained bad habits...
- but all are fixable because of want to...
- as exhibited by "improvements" since his last, 11-on-11 game in his 2-on-0, Pro-day, beauty pageant.... AND....
- The only true measure of a QB on a 22-man team is W/L ratio...
That about sum it up?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Don't get the Leaf jokes at all.
You looked in on that other section enough to know that logic has nothing to do with cal's posts when he's attacking someone... matters not what that someone is a candidate for. Browns QB or President... same same.
It goes no deeper than him comparing the worst QB prospect he can think of to the QB prospect he likes least.
All the problems are fixable because he hasn't had much coaching up until now. So there is risk of him not able to overcome it. But from what I have seen shows me he has a lot of fight and willingness to improve. And Like I have beening saying he addressed some of that by making some noticable improvements since Cotton bowl to his pro day.
Rosen in the other hand has no excuses with his great machanics and skills that he couldn't make his team better and win.
Isnt it the qb's job to lead his team to win? Isnt it what great qb are judged by?
You should have stopped with being USC biased... Instead now you are on the thin ice of:
- bad coaching ---> ingrained bad habits...
- but all are fixable because of want to...
- as exhibited by "improvements" since his last, 11-on-11 game in his 2-on-0, Pro-day, beauty pageant.... AND....
- The only true measure of a QB on a 22-man team is W/L ratio...
That about sum it up?
You looked in on that other section enough to know that logic has nothing to do with cal's posts when he's attacking someone... matters not what that someone is a candidate for. Browns QB or President... same same.
It goes no deeper than him comparing the worst QB prospect he can think of to the QB prospect he likes least.
You should have stopped with being USC biased... Instead now you are on the thin ice of:
- bad coaching ---> ingrained bad habits...
- but all are fixable because of want to...
- as exhibited by "improvements" since his last, 11-on-11 game in his 2-on-0, Pro-day, beauty pageant.... AND....
- The only true measure of a QB on a 22-man team is W/L ratio...
That about sum it up?
In this article which is about Mayfield pretty much says Baker and Sam is the most accurate and the rest are far behind.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff
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If you go back I said virtually no coaching and bad coaching in terms of play calling and fundamentals. Sam was winning and the coach said didn't want to tinker with a winning formula and pretty much left him alone.
He played 1 full season of high school qb and 24 games in college. That is what I am talking about in terms of not having coaching & experience.
Maybe he has not played enough to form a habit that can be coached out of.
Since this debates has been about why and how Darnold is the best fit I was offering my perspective, since I have watched more games and read about his rise than anyone here.
Here's my rankings
against toughest competition:
Baker 1 @ohio st. Georgia
Darnold 2 ohio st. Bama, ND 2times, @washington last year schedule considered toughest in the cf.
Jackson 3
Rosen 4 no signature wins
Allen 5 played basically nobody
Accuracy:
Baker consensus 1 but air raid system
Darnold 2 clutch when the game is on the line.
Rosen 3 haven't made much clutch throws in victory besides weak A&M game.
Jackson & Allen pickbyour poison
Mobility
Jackson 1
Darnold 2a
Allen 2b
Baker 3
Rosen 4
Arm talent
Allen is clearly 1 and the rest about the same.
Allen 1
Rosen, darnold, baker, jackson all have nfl arms so no issues here.
Mechanics
Rosen 1
Baker 2
Darnold & allen 3
Jackson 4
Intengibles "it" factor
Darnold 1
Baker 2
Jackson 3
Allen 4
Rosen 5
Toughness/not injury prone
Darnold 1
Baker 1
jackson 2 too light
Allen 2
Rosen 3
Citizenship-locker room- leadership
Darnold 1
Jackson 2 won games single handedly.
Baker 2 ran away from cops. Socky led his team to wins
Allen 3 hasn't done much
Rosen 4 frequently lost against less talented teams.
I would rank
Darnold 1
Baker 2
Rosen 3
Allen 4
Jackson 5
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/30/2018-draft-josh-allen-sam-darnold-tyrod-taylor-browns-bills
Notice how he automatically assumes Browns will take Darnold at 1. All these articles say this qb is great and that qb is great, however they all say Darnold is clearly #1. Everybody knows #1 is Darnold. Which means Browns will pick Allen.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/30/2018-draft-josh-allen-sam-darnold-tyrod-taylor-browns-bills
Notice how he automatically assumes Browns will take Darnold at 1. All these articles say this qb is great and that qb is great, however they all say Darnold is clearly #1. Everybody knows #1 is Darnold. Which means Browns will pick Allen.
Notice how he automatically assumes Browns will take Darnold at 1. All these articles say this qb is great and that qb is great, however they all say Darnold is clearly #1. Everybody knows #1 is Darnold. Which means Browns will pick Allen.
If the Browns take Allen I will throw up and conclude the f'n Browns are still losers. Then I will chant, "Hold that clipboard, hold that clipboard................" Followed by, "Let's go Tyrod, let's go Tyrod........."
I won't like the pick but I will support his development and I think we have the experienced QBs to do it over several years in Taylor and Stanton.
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