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  • OrionO Orion

    @the-gipper said:

    Rudolph goes in round one.  Are you a taker?

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    The GipperT Tour2maT 3 Replies
  • hoortaH hoorta

    @ballpeen said:

    You are still hung up on CBS.  Some time back you questioned me about Calvin Ridley, that he wasn't listed as a top prospect by CBS sports.  Have they figured out who he is at this point?

    That CBS still has Rudolph as their #1 qb is ludicrous. I've yet to see their rationale making Rudolph the #1 prospect, or did they just pull names out of a hat? Every other ranking I looked at has Mason around #5 or #6 as a qb prospect.  Saying there's no drop off in the  talent level 1-6 is crazy. 

    EDIT: After meditating on this one, here you go Gipper- the CBS ranking is what's called a "contrarian" ranking. They think they'll get more clicks by being stupid instead of ranking the prospects the same as everyone else.  

    Here's a prospect ranking that in my book that carries a lot more weight- Daniel Jeremiah's http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20

    Rudolph isn't even listed in his top 50 prospects.  BTW, DJ has Darnold as his #7 prospect- so projecting him at #4 is hardly a "reach", Considering every one ahead of him is a position player, not crazy at all to take Darnold at #1. 

    @hoorta said:

    That CBS still has Rudolph as their #1 qb is ludicrous. I've yet to see their rationale making Rudolph the #1 prospect, or did they just pull names out of a hat? Every other ranking I looked at has Mason around #5 or #6 as a qb prospect.  Saying there's no drop off in the  talent level 1-6 is crazy. 

    EDIT: After meditating on this one, here you go Gipper- the CBS ranking is what's called a "contrarian" ranking. They think they'll get more clicks by being stupid instead of ranking the prospects the same as everyone else.  

    Here's a prospect ranking that in my book that carries a lot more weight- Daniel Jeremiah's http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20

    Rudolph isn't even listed in his top 50 prospects.  BTW, DJ has Darnold as his #7 prospect- so projecting him at #4 is hardly a "reach", Considering every one ahead of him is a position player, not crazy at all to take Darnold at #1. 

    Except that he is 3 to 4 inches taller than Mayfield. So what you call country and I simply call accurate Maybe what CBS saw was what I saw. He's very mediocre bunch of quarterbacks that are vastly overrated. In Rudolph fits in there with them and has produced every bit as much as any of them have except perhaps Mayfield

  • OrionO Orion

    @the-gipper said:

    Rudolph goes in round one.  Are you a taker?

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinionProblem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    @hoorta said:

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    Hello McFly I have said all along that the other QBs " rated higher"   than Rudolph will likely  get drafted before he will. My bet is that he'll be taken in round one. Are you in on that particular bet?

    See....this bet, never accepted.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinionProblem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    @the-gipper said:

    Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    In premise...but I'd prefer to have the one that Dorsey thinks is the best this time.  

    I've wanted Rosen....but I don't like his number.  We used to have a guy that wore #14 that won some games for us.........

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
  • OrionO Orion

    @the-gipper said:

    Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    In premise...but I'd prefer to have the one that Dorsey thinks is the best this time.  

    I've wanted Rosen....but I don't like his number.  We used to have a guy that wore #14 that won some games for us.........

    @orion said:

    In premise...but I'd prefer to have the one that Dorsey thinks is the best this time.  

    I've wanted Rosen....but I don't like his number.  We used to have a guy that wore #14 that won some games for us.........

    Sorry that number is retiredSorry that number is retired

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinionProblem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    @the-gipper said:

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion. Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my opinion that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    T MLD WoodyM The GipperT 3 Replies
  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion. Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my opinion that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    @hoorta said:

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    "Tradition!"

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion. Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my opinion that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    @hoorta said:

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    Clearly you haven't seen the bargain QB thread

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    hoortaH 1 Reply

  • For what it's worth, I never give CBSports draft material any credence at all, I probably rely on NFL.com the most because I listen then on Sirius during the day, but there are tons of good sites.

    And, For what it's worth .... We're going QB #1.

    Zombo

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my pin that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion. Problem is they're really has no clue as to who is the best one. And my opinion that Rudolph me in the long run long run prove to be the best is just as viable as any other opinion

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    @hoorta said:

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    How about this:   do what the Apache/Iriquois did and take 2 QBs.    Get one with #1......get Chubb #4.   And with one of our 3 2d rounders take another

    QB.?

  • Most of you focused on the  second clause of my "solution".......while ignoring the first....more important perhaps part of it:

    What about the idea of picking both Chubb and Barkley with 1 and 4?  (without consideration to whom they may take later at QB). After all, most people put those 2 actually above the QBs....on a pure talent level.

    hoortaH 1 Reply
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @hoorta said:

    So we keep going for lower rated (by the experts) qbs just like we have since Couch. 

    Clearly you haven't seen the bargain QB thread

    @mld-woody said:

    Clearly you haven't seen the bargain QB thread

    Sure I did Woody. Of course, great QBs have been found lower in the draft or FA, like the grocery bagging Kurt Warner or Tony Romo. There are zillions of stats the lower you pick a player (not just a QB) the worse your odds he's going to be a stud. For every 6th round  Tom Brady, there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. 🙂

    I did a little research, first round QBs since 2000. The hit rate is about 8\41 to get a great QB, then every thing in the middle, and around 14\41 busts. That's the reason top QB prospects get drafted high in the first round, and not the sixth. Way better odds. 

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @orion said:

    He's a big kid QB.  And QB's are rated on a curve.  He could go in round 1 I guess.

    We have the #1 overall pick....in a draft where 4 QB's may go pretty high in round 1.   May I please have the best one in the draft for once?  Please? 

    Teams have been jockeying around to get in position to draft one of the four.  Let's not try and outsmart the league again this year ok?

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    Take it easy on CBS guys... it's the first time they've ventured out with their own ranking in years.

    @hoorta said:

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    You can safely go to at least 4, and probably to 5.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Most of you focused on the  second clause of my "solution".......while ignoring the first....more important perhaps part of it:

    What about the idea of picking both Chubb and Barkley with 1 and 4?  (without consideration to whom they may take later at QB). After all, most people put those 2 actually above the QBs....on a pure talent level.

    @the-gipper said:

    Most of you focused on the  second clause of my "solution".......while ignoring the first....more important perhaps part of it:

    What about the idea of picking both Chubb and Barkley with 1 and 4?  (without consideration to whom they may take later at QB). After all, most people put those 2 actually above the QBs....on a pure talent level.

    Just NO to Barkley. If he's still there in the second round (like Rudolph) ok. We may well take a developmental QB like Benkert in the 4th- 5th round.

    PoeticGP The GipperT 2 Replies
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Take it easy on CBS guys... it's the first time they've ventured out with their own ranking in years.

    @hoorta said:

    LOL, want to bet Gip at least three QBs get picked before Rudolph? 

    You can safely go to at least 4, and probably to 5.

    @tour2ma said:

    Take it easy on CBS guys... it's the first time they've ventured out with their own ranking in years.

    You can safely go to at least 4, and probably to 5.

    So....are you in on the bet? 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    Take it easy on CBS guys... it's the first time they've ventured out with their own ranking in years.

    You can safely go to at least 4, and probably to 5.

    So....are you in on the bet? 

    @the-gipper said:

    So....are you in on the bet? 

    That 4 QBs will be taken before Rudolph? Done for $100!

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    So....are you in on the bet? 

    That 4 QBs will be taken before Rudolph? Done for $100!

    @tour2ma said:

    That 4 QBs will be taken before Rudolph? Done for $100!

    No....Read it properly....the bet is that  Rudolph will be taken in Round One....and its for lunch...or whatever was proposed above.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @the-gipper said:

    Most of you focused on the  second clause of my "solution".......while ignoring the first....more important perhaps part of it:

    What about the idea of picking both Chubb and Barkley with 1 and 4?  (without consideration to whom they may take later at QB). After all, most people put those 2 actually above the QBs....on a pure talent level.

    Just NO to Barkley. If he's still there in the second round (like Rudolph) ok. We may well take a developmental QB like Benkert in the 4th- 5th round.

    @hoorta said:

    Just NO to Barkley. If he's still there in the second round (like Rudolph) ok. We may well take a developmental QB like Benkert in the 4th- 5th round.

    You should probably start preparing yourself to hear- "With the first pick of the 2018 NFL Draft- The Cleveland Browns select... Saquon Barkley, Runningback from Penn State!"

    It'll make it easier to swallow if you are at least open to the possibility... as it's pretty likely going to happen.

    The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    @hoorta said:

    Just NO to Barkley. If he's still there in the second round (like Rudolph) ok. We may well take a developmental QB like Benkert in the 4th- 5th round.

    You should probably start preparing yourself to hear- "With the first pick of the 2018 NFL Draft- The Cleveland Browns select... Saquon Barkley, Runningback from Penn State!"

    It'll make it easier to swallow if you are at least open to the possibility... as it's pretty likely going to happen.

    @poeticg said:

    You should probably start preparing yourself to hear- "With the first pick of the 2018 NFL Draft- The Cleveland Browns select... Saquon Barkley, Runningback from Penn State!"

    It'll make it easier to swallow if you are at least open to the possibility... as it's pretty likely going to happen.

    Zero chance Po, ZERO chance. I'm so confident Barkley's not happening at #1 overall- no bet involved on your part-  I'll give you a pair of tickets to the home opener against the Steelers should it come to pass, so you can drool all over your hero's first NFL game in person. Not kidding. OTOH, if it's pretty likely LOL, you should have no problem putting up the $260 bucks the tickets are worth, but you've already chickened out on all the other bets that have been put out there.... 

    And you had better be ready when we hear Darnold\ Mayfield with the first pick, and totally pass on Saquon. 

    ❤
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