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  • Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked. 

    https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/01/alonzo-highsmith-promises-big-change-in-how-browns-play-safeties/

    @texasag1969 said:

    Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked. 

    https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/01/alonzo-highsmith-promises-big-change-in-how-browns-play-safeties/

       I've said that in the past - the corners were toast downfield - the Browns had to have Peppers back there to try to limit

    the quick scores on long passes. This is GREAT to hear.

  • @baconhound said:

    I always thought the Browns were a DB away.

    Tour may want to update his signature to read "DB is one of the hardest positions for a rookie to learn, he'll get better"

    Same dung we heard about Gilbert

    Hardly a valid criticism. Because One highly-touted DB is lazy and doesn't work out they all must be. Are you saying Gilbert failed because the position is too hard to learn?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Hardly a valid criticism. Because One highly-touted DB is lazy and doesn't work out they all must be. Are you saying Gilbert failed because the position is too hard to learn?

    WSS

    Absolutely not.  I've been saying that DB is one of the hardest positions to play based on league rules and physical superiority of many WRs.  Many in here supported Gilbert saying that DB was a hard position to learn in year one and then in year 2 crickets.  I don't value DBs as high as other defensive players due to the previously mentioned reasons and that they typically have a very short shelf life at an elite level.

  • that's because Gilbert didn't love the game, seemed to not care, and seemed to be not very smart. He was the wrong cb to have ever drafted. Hanford Dixon played at an elite level right up to 1988, his last year was 1989. He was drafted in 1981, first round.

      He was All-pro in 87 and 88. Went to the pro bowl 86-88.

    Then there was also Frank Minnifield. Graduated in 82, played in the USFL, and went to the NFL and the Browns in 84. All 5'9", 180 lbs of him.

    Gilbert had no heart, no work ethic, and not much smarts. All the talent, but didn't care.

  • Ward will see far better QB play than here but here's some of his work on tall WR's..  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17318096/observations-from-denzel-wards-game-against-indiana   Day 1 in the books at rookie Mini Camp of 3 day Camp  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17321860/notes-from-day-1-of-browns-rookie-minicamp   

  • that's because Gilbert didn't love the game, seemed to not care, and seemed to be not very smart. He was the wrong cb to have ever drafted. Hanford Dixon played at an elite level right up to 1988, his last year was 1989. He was drafted in 1981, first round.

      He was All-pro in 87 and 88. Went to the pro bowl 86-88.

    Then there was also Frank Minnifield. Graduated in 82, played in the USFL, and went to the NFL and the Browns in 84. All 5'9", 180 lbs of him.

    Gilbert had no heart, no work ethic, and not much smarts. All the talent, but didn't care.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Gilbert had no heart, no work ethic, and not much smarts. All the talent, but didn't care.

    I'm not really sure what it was cal. Just seemed to have a lot of mental issues impeding the player who was considered the best DB in the country. Something went haywire between that level of play and what we saw in Cleveland and then on out of the NFL. It's just too big a change to write off as no heart, work ethic and/or intelligence when you have to have that to get to that level in the first place. My question would be did the Browns send him in for a thorough mental health evaluation? The clues were overwhelming that he certainly needed one. Surely any NFL team has access to that kind of expertise.

  • Ward will see far better QB play than here but here's some of his work on tall WR's..  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17318096/observations-from-denzel-wards-game-against-indiana   Day 1 in the books at rookie Mini Camp of 3 day Camp  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17321860/notes-from-day-1-of-browns-rookie-minicamp   

    @gumby73 said:

    Ward will see far better QB play than here but here's some of his work on tall WR's..  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17318096/observations-from-denzel-wards-game-against-indiana   Day 1 in the books at rookie Mini Camp of 3 day Camp  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17321860/notes-from-day-1-of-browns-rookie-minicamp   

    Interesting stuff I've noticed: Corbett was #73 in college, and has taken #63. They must have told him that they are retiring number 73 thanks to Joe Thomas, or he's not trying to bear such a number being a rookie. 

    Desmond Harris might be in his way of making the roster as UDFA, and that's good news.

    Like you've said getting better players at WR, QB and CB improves each of the other groups. Practice must be way different this year than last, when all those corps were awful thus not pushing each other up.

  • @gumby73 said:

    Ward will see far better QB play than here but here's some of his work on tall WR's..  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17318096/observations-from-denzel-wards-game-against-indiana   Day 1 in the books at rookie Mini Camp of 3 day Camp  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/4/17321860/notes-from-day-1-of-browns-rookie-minicamp   

    Interesting stuff I've noticed: Corbett was #73 in college, and has taken #63. They must have told him that they are retiring number 73 thanks to Joe Thomas, or he's not trying to bear such a number being a rookie. 

    Desmond Harris might be in his way of making the roster as UDFA, and that's good news.

    Like you've said getting better players at WR, QB and CB improves each of the other groups. Practice must be way different this year than last, when all those corps were awful thus not pushing each other up.

    @nero said:

    Interesting stuff I've noticed: Corbett was #73 in college, and has taken #63.

    Numbers in the 70's are for OTs... 60's for OGs... 😉

  • @westside-steve said:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931672/article/denzel-ward-hip-slated-to-miss-saturdays-practice

    Bailed on practice already. Not promising but we'll see...

    WSS

    Buried in that article I found this little jewel. Tour didn't you have him as a darkhorse at one time?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931626/article/roundup-dolphins-claim-qb-bryce-petty-off-waivers

  • @westside-steve said:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931672/article/denzel-ward-hip-slated-to-miss-saturdays-practice

    Bailed on practice already. Not promising but we'll see...

    WSS

    Buried in that article I found this little jewel. Tour didn't you have him as a darkhorse at one time?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931626/article/roundup-dolphins-claim-qb-bryce-petty-off-waivers

    @texasag1969 said:

    Buried in that article I found this little jewel. Tour didn't you have him as a darkhorse at one time?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931626/article/roundup-dolphins-claim-qb-bryce-petty-off-waivers

    Yup... Bryce was my desperation darkhorse the year he came out. Did not jump out and demand the honor as others have, but was the best the candidates in that class.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Buried in that article I found this little jewel. Tour didn't you have him as a darkhorse at one time?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931626/article/roundup-dolphins-claim-qb-bryce-petty-off-waivers

    Yup... Bryce was my desperation darkhorse the year he came out. Did not jump out and demand the honor as others have, but was the best the candidates in that class.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup... Bryce was my desperation darkhorse the year he came out. Did not jump out and demand the honor as others have, but was the best the candidates in that class.

    This is totally the insomnia’s fault, but I read the comments. Seeing someone refer to Brock Osweiler as a “way competent” backup gave me a way-too large grin.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Gilbert had no heart, no work ethic, and not much smarts. All the talent, but didn't care.

    I'm not really sure what it was cal. Just seemed to have a lot of mental issues impeding the player who was considered the best DB in the country. Something went haywire between that level of play and what we saw in Cleveland and then on out of the NFL. It's just too big a change to write off as no heart, work ethic and/or intelligence when you have to have that to get to that level in the first place. My question would be did the Browns send him in for a thorough mental health evaluation? The clues were overwhelming that he certainly needed one. Surely any NFL team has access to that kind of expertise.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I'm not really sure what it was cal. Just seemed to have a lot of mental issues impeding the player who was considered the best DB in the country. Something went haywire between that level of play and what we saw in Cleveland and then on out of the NFL. It's just too big a change to write off as no heart, work ethic and/or intelligence when you have to have that to get to that level in the first place. My question would be did the Browns send him in for a thorough mental health evaluation? The clues were overwhelming that he certainly needed one. Surely any NFL team has access to that kind of expertise.

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I'm not really sure what it was cal. Just seemed to have a lot of mental issues impeding the player who was considered the best DB in the country. Something went haywire between that level of play and what we saw in Cleveland and then on out of the NFL. It's just too big a change to write off as no heart, work ethic and/or intelligence when you have to have that to get to that level in the first place. My question would be did the Browns send him in for a thorough mental health evaluation? The clues were overwhelming that he certainly needed one. Surely any NFL team has access to that kind of expertise.

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

    @roycerolls said:

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

  • @roycerolls said:

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    @tour2ma said:

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    Dee Milliner

  • @roycerolls said:

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    @tour2ma said:

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    Dee  Milliner.   Mossy Cade.

  • @roycerolls said:

    He had the skill to out-athlete people in college. When he hit the NFL, and he couldn’t just simply be the better athlete anymore we saw that he wasn’t truly invested in being great. 

    Its a shame when people shoot themselves in the foot like that. 

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    @tour2ma said:

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    Apple

  • @baconhound said:

     Value would have been the guard from Notre Dame

    Again not a position that we needed we have Bitonio and zeitler. We aren't quite there yet where we can just pick best player available all the time we got the best corner in the draft and it was a position of need

    @bjh2130 said:

    Again not a position that we needed we have Bitonio and zeitler. We aren't quite there yet where we can just pick best player available all the time we got the best corner in the draft and it was a position of need

    “Not a position of need” and then take a Guard high in the 2nd. Browns FO is stupid as hell.

  • @tour2ma said:

    History is littered with stories like that... players who were so athletically gifted that they never had to learn how to play. Then, as the competition level rose thru the distillation process that is the NCAA and NFL, they found it was too late and/or too hard to learn... at least it was harder than what they were willing to bear.

    Does seem like for every non-QB you hear this of, you hear it of a QB, which makes sense given that QB is the highest skilled position. Leaf, Manziel, Pryor all sring to mind, but I'm hard-pressed to think of another CB to add to the Gilbert list... maybe Clayborne?

    Apple

    @baconhound said:

    Apple

    This guy reminds me of a guy we drafted in the 5th round in 2011. a 5'10" 186 lbs. CB of Buster Skrine..What's kinda funny, is now I can watch Pat Shummer again with his arm crossed on sideline watching a overmatched Skrine'ish Apple get picked on once again..When Chud came to town in 2013 Buster seemed better coached at position and his improvement still has him playing in the league today..  

  • @baconhound said:

    Apple

    This guy reminds me of a guy we drafted in the 5th round in 2011. a 5'10" 186 lbs. CB of Buster Skrine..What's kinda funny, is now I can watch Pat Shummer again with his arm crossed on sideline watching a overmatched Skrine'ish Apple get picked on once again..When Chud came to town in 2013 Buster seemed better coached at position and his improvement still has him playing in the league today..  

    @gumby73 said:

    This guy reminds me of a guy we drafted in the 5th round in 2011. a 5'10" 186 lbs. CB of Buster Skrine..What's kinda funny, is now I can watch Pat Shummer again with his arm crossed on sideline watching a overmatched Skrine'ish Apple get picked on once again..When Chud came to town in 2013 Buster seemed better coached at position and his improvement still has him playing in the league today..  

    I can tell you now Buster ain't no 5'10, not even in cleats.   

    I checked in at 5'11 193lbs For my last physical. Skrine was easily 2 inches shorter in pads when I saw him live. 

  • Players on the browns roster are requesting that he be moved up the depth chart. He is making some great impressions. Williams saying that he is one of the best press corners he has seen at this level in years.