Draft Grades
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I think Orchard is history. And so does 247.
Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
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Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
Well, on the depth chart, Orchard is listed as the third string SLB.....behind Collins and James Burgess. If he can't beat out James Burgess for a backup LB spot....then absolutely...his days are numbered.
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When Barkley is tearing up the NFL and Jackson crashing and burning these yahoos will no where to be found.
Says a "wannabe"...
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
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Frankly I think as long as he remains healthy Rosen will prove out to be the first one who breaks out as an NFL QB. He has the advantage of having to learn 3 different systems already and is a bright guy. Mayfield in the long run may be the better since he is highly motivated and has as good an accuracy as Rosen. But wear and tear of smaller QBs is always a concern, especially if some coach runs him on purpose. Won't be doing him any favors. Darnold has the most long term potential because he just has a Big Ben type body size and is in an ideal spot to be mentored into the position. Jackson can barely communicate but is one hell of an athlete. Josh Allen has a lot of accuracy work to do. But I like his attitude.
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True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
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I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
I think, or believe, Rosen is and will be the best QB in this draft... but the operative word is think.
Boo confuses opinion with omniscience...
Frankly I think as long as he remains healthy Rosen will prove out to be the first one who breaks out as an NFL QB. He has the advantage of having to learn 3 different systems already and is a bright guy.
For me it's his translation of "football IQ" to the playing field. He already has shown me that he can consistently apply his knowledge while the others have at most only displayed flashes... or no sign at all.
In the end this translation is the highest hurdle... the highest barrier to the NFL's QB-Club's entry. And the depth of understanding is what separates the successful NFL QB from the journeyman.
Rosen comes into the league as one of two QBs I've already seen clear the hurdle. Plus he's the one I project to develop the deepest understanding.
Will I be right? No idea, but if I did not like my odds, then I'd back a different horse.
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Well.....why don't we give Grades to the Draft classes that deserve to be graded at this point: Those 3 to 5 years ago:
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Danny Shelton 12 NT 2017 0 0 3 16 46 1.5 Washington 2015 1 Cameron Erving 19 C 2017 0 0 1 10 42 0 0 0 Florida St. 2015 2 Nate Orchard 51 DE 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1 5.0 Utah 2015 3 Duke Johnson 77 RB 2017 0 0 0 15 48 0 1 0 0 0 259 1085 5 188 1741 5 Miami (FL) 2015 3 Xavier Cooper 96 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 40 3.0 Washington St. 2015 4 Ibraheim Campbell 115 SS 2017 0 0 0 5 38 Northwestern 2015 4 Vince Mayle 123 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 23 2 2 1 0 0 0 Washington St. 2015 6 Charles Gaines 189 CB 2015 0 0 0 1 6 Louisville 2015 6 Malcolm Johnson 195 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 19 1 2 0 9 59 0 Mississippi St. 2015 6 Randall Telfer 198 TE 2017 0 0 1 0 30 5 40 0 USC 2015 7 Hayes Pullard 219 ILB 2017 0 0 0 8 37 1 USC 2015 7 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu 241 CB 0 0 0 Oregon Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Justin Gilbert 8 DB 2016 0 0 0 4 35 1 Oklahoma St. 2014 1 Johnny Manziel 22 QB 2015 0 0 0 5 15 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M 2014 2 Joel Bitonio 35 G 2017 0 0 3 17 47 Nevada 2014 3 Christian Kirksey 71 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 64 11.5 Iowa 2014 3 Terrance West 94 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 43 465 1816 11 51 344 2 Towson 2014 4 Pierre Desir 127 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 33 1 Lindenwood Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Barkevious Mingo 6 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 78 1 9.0 LSU 2013 3 Leon McFadden 68 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 34 San Diego St. 2013 6 Jamoris Slaughter 175 DB 0 0 0 Notre Dame 2013 7 Armonty Bryant 217 DE 2016 0 0 0 4 36 11.5 East Central (OK) 2013 7 Garrett Gilkey 227 T 2014 0 0 0 2 22 Chadron St. Give a grade to each of these years.
Well.....why don't we give Grades to the Draft classes that deserve to be graded at this point: Those 3 to 5 years ago:
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Danny Shelton 12 NT 2017 0 0 3 16 46 1.5 Washington 2015 1 Cameron Erving 19 C 2017 0 0 1 10 42 0 0 0 Florida St. 2015 2 Nate Orchard 51 DE 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1 5.0 Utah 2015 3 Duke Johnson 77 RB 2017 0 0 0 15 48 0 1 0 0 0 259 1085 5 188 1741 5 Miami (FL) 2015 3 Xavier Cooper 96 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 40 3.0 Washington St. 2015 4 Ibraheim Campbell 115 SS 2017 0 0 0 5 38 Northwestern 2015 4 Vince Mayle 123 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 23 2 2 1 0 0 0 Washington St. 2015 6 Charles Gaines 189 CB 2015 0 0 0 1 6 Louisville 2015 6 Malcolm Johnson 195 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 19 1 2 0 9 59 0 Mississippi St. 2015 6 Randall Telfer 198 TE 2017 0 0 1 0 30 5 40 0 USC 2015 7 Hayes Pullard 219 ILB 2017 0 0 0 8 37 1 USC 2015 7 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu 241 CB 0 0 0 Oregon Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Justin Gilbert 8 DB 2016 0 0 0 4 35 1 Oklahoma St. 2014 1 Johnny Manziel 22 QB 2015 0 0 0 5 15 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M 2014 2 Joel Bitonio 35 G 2017 0 0 3 17 47 Nevada 2014 3 Christian Kirksey 71 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 64 11.5 Iowa 2014 3 Terrance West 94 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 43 465 1816 11 51 344 2 Towson 2014 4 Pierre Desir 127 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 33 1 Lindenwood Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Barkevious Mingo 6 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 78 1 9.0 LSU 2013 3 Leon McFadden 68 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 34 San Diego St. 2013 6 Jamoris Slaughter 175 DB 0 0 0 Notre Dame 2013 7 Armonty Bryant 217 DE 2016 0 0 0 4 36 11.5 East Central (OK) 2013 7 Garrett Gilkey 227 T 2014 0 0 0 2 22 Chadron St. Give a grade to each of these years.
Oddly enough we seem to do better with middle round picks. I seem to recall having this observation before with older drafts. Perhaps we should trade all first round picks for 2nd and 3rd rounders?
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Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
That seems like hyperbole at best to say that. I root for the guy and hope he can turn some heads this year.
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But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
That seems like hyperbole at best to say that. I root for the guy and hope he can turn some heads this year.
That seems like hyperbole at best to say that. I root for the guy and hope he can turn some heads this year.
There is a reason he was moved out of the DE spot behind Garrett and now behind Collins at SLB. He has a far better chance of making it there. If you go back and review all the games he was in at RDE he was just not productive. I put it on par with moving Peppers from Centerfield to his more natural position of SS. I think we get far better play from both of those guys now.
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That seems like hyperbole at best to say that. I root for the guy and hope he can turn some heads this year.
There is a reason he was moved out of the DE spot behind Garrett and now behind Collins at SLB. He has a far better chance of making it there. If you go back and review all the games he was in at RDE he was just not productive. I put it on par with moving Peppers from Centerfield to his more natural position of SS. I think we get far better play from both of those guys now.
There is a reason he was moved out of the DE spot behind Garrett and now behind Collins at SLB. He has a far better chance of making it there. If you go back and review all the games he was in at RDE he was just not productive. I put it on par with moving Peppers from Centerfield to his more natural position of SS. I think we get far better play from both of those guys now.
You may be right. I might be crazy. I’m done watching film for a while, but he may just be the lunatic we’re looking for.
This is the thing l hate about regime changes, l don’t think the new guys do their due dilligence to see where their existing assets may fit in with what they are trying to do.
He was drafted as a pass rush guy, but in all the changes no one bothers to see how and where he might fit in. I root for weak links. Sports are boring without them. Like pitchers batting in the NL. It usually doesn’t go well, but when it does, man is that fun.
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There is a reason he was moved out of the DE spot behind Garrett and now behind Collins at SLB. He has a far better chance of making it there. If you go back and review all the games he was in at RDE he was just not productive. I put it on par with moving Peppers from Centerfield to his more natural position of SS. I think we get far better play from both of those guys now.
You may be right. I might be crazy. I’m done watching film for a while, but he may just be the lunatic we’re looking for.
This is the thing l hate about regime changes, l don’t think the new guys do their due dilligence to see where their existing assets may fit in with what they are trying to do.
He was drafted as a pass rush guy, but in all the changes no one bothers to see how and where he might fit in. I root for weak links. Sports are boring without them. Like pitchers batting in the NL. It usually doesn’t go well, but when it does, man is that fun.
This is the thing l hate about regime changes, l don’t think the new guys do their due dilligence to see where their existing assets may fit in with what they are trying to do.
Actually I have been impressed with Dorsey's football read on current talent and the free agency/draft process. He apparently has been working with both OC and DC to move guys to better positions for their abilities and fill the needs left open through that process. Remember that our DC likes to bring blizting pressure from all over the field. That would include someone like Orchard coming from the SLB position. He has the ability to do that suddenly when not expected just like Collins. I think it's a positive change for him personally. A better position for what he brings to the Browns.
EDIT: I became a Dorsey fan when he made the Ratley pick. Not because he comes from A&M, but because someone had to do the hard work of researching why his second half of 2017 was so much better than the first 7 games. Our lack of a throwing QB until he returned from a broken ankle hurt both of our best receivers. They had to take notice of his off the chart pro day and did their research. I really thought Ratley was going to have to go the UDFA route or 7th round at best. Dorsey's team did their research and made the pick. I see that same process at work throughout the team. It's going to make a huge difference.
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This is the thing l hate about regime changes, l don’t think the new guys do their due dilligence to see where their existing assets may fit in with what they are trying to do.
Actually I have been impressed with Dorsey's football read on current talent and the free agency/draft process. He apparently has been working with both OC and DC to move guys to better positions for their abilities and fill the needs left open through that process. Remember that our DC likes to bring blizting pressure from all over the field. That would include someone like Orchard coming from the SLB position. He has the ability to do that suddenly when not expected just like Collins. I think it's a positive change for him personally. A better position for what he brings to the Browns.
EDIT: I became a Dorsey fan when he made the Ratley pick. Not because he comes from A&M, but because someone had to do the hard work of researching why his second half of 2017 was so much better than the first 7 games. Our lack of a throwing QB until he returned from a broken ankle hurt both of our best receivers. They had to take notice of his off the chart pro day and did their research. I really thought Ratley was going to have to go the UDFA route or 7th round at best. Dorsey's team did their research and made the pick. I see that same process at work throughout the team. It's going to make a huge difference.
Actually I have been impressed with Dorsey's football read on current talent and the free agency/draft process. He apparently has been working with both OC and DC to move guys to better positions for their abilities and fill the needs left open through that process. Remember that our DC likes to bring blizting pressure from all over the field. That would include someone like Orchard coming from the SLB position. He has the ability to do that suddenly when not expected just like Collins. I think it's a positive change for him personally. A better position for what he brings to the Browns.
EDIT: I became a Dorsey fan when he made the Ratley pick. Not because he comes from A&M, but because someone had to do the hard work of researching why his second half of 2017 was so much better than the first 7 games. Our lack of a throwing QB until he returned from a broken ankle hurt both of our best receivers. They had to take notice of his off the chart pro day and did their research. I really thought Ratley was going to have to go the UDFA route or 7th round at best. Dorsey's team did their research and made the pick. I see that same process at work throughout the team. It's going to make a huge difference.
Right on. I suppose it’s a good sign that Orchard’s on the roster still then. Maybe someone within the new regime saw something they could work with.
I saw your words in another thread about the Ratley pick and was intrigued with the QB discombobulation situation at A & M. Good call.
Continuity is good.
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