Mason Rudolph
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So question then regarding the idea of Rudolph being a "Big Ben Clone."
What knocks or reservations were there - if any - regarding Big Ben's game when he was drafted? How do those compare to the (perceived/real) knocks on Rudolph's game?
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You're not the only expert that believes this.
Much to the dismay of Rizzo, some guest analyst on the show after completing his analysis of Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, and Allen, when finally asked who he thought was the best QB, he said ....Mason Rudolph!
Maybe it was this guy.
Same things were said about Landry Jones and how Dobbs would develop blah blah blah. Rudolph will never be more than a fringe starter. I do not fear Mason Rudolph, in fact I hope you think he is the future, he is pedestrian.
Same things were said about Landry Jones and how Dobbs would develop blah blah blah. Rudolph will never be more than a fringe starter. I do not fear Mason Rudolph, in fact I hope you think he is the future, he is pedestrian.
No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph.
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"May be the best"? Sure, but the odds are not good.
That said at the price of a third... might as well take a shot.
More importantly I think since Rudolph did not even go in the 2nd, Gip should take everyone to lunch who considered any kind of Rudolph related bet with him...
... and have to wear a Steeler throwback jersey to boot.
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"May be the best"? Sure, but the odds are not good.
That said at the price of a third... might as well take a shot.
More importantly I think since Rudolph did not even go in the 2nd, Gip should take everyone to lunch who considered any kind of Rudolph related bet with him...
... and have to wear a Steeler throwback jersey to boot.
"May be the best"? Sure, but the odds are not good.
That said at the price of a third... might as well take a shot.
More importantly I think since Rudolph did not even go in the 2nd, Gip should take everyone to lunch who considered any kind of Rudolph related bet with him...
... and have to wear a Steeler throwback jersey to boot.
But you didn't take me up on the bet. So you lose sucker. You should not have been such a chicken
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Ryan Mallett had a bad attitude didn't he?
WSS
Wasn't terrible. Otherwise the pats wouldn't have taken him.
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Ryan Mallett had a bad attitude didn't he?
WSS
Wasn't terrible. Otherwise the pats wouldn't have taken him.
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Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
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Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
Isn't that just the easiest comparison? Because of the osu connection. He really isn't like weeden. I have zero expectations for him but he's not Brandon weeden. He sure as hell isn't almost 30 as a rookie either.
Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
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Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
Isn't that just the easiest comparison? Because of the osu connection. He really isn't like weeden. I have zero expectations for him but he's not Brandon weeden. He sure as hell isn't almost 30 as a rookie either.
Well the Steelers drafted their Brandon Weeden. Big slow brained dude who doesn’t go through progressions and just waits for his first read to get open so he can play catch.
Isn't that just the easiest comparison? Because of the osu connection. He really isn't like weeden. I have zero expectations for him but he's not Brandon weeden. He sure as hell isn't almost 30 as a rookie either.
I was the one that intially made the connection and yes, it isn't terrible to make. Save for the age, there are several factors that make it appropriate.
-Same school, coach, and approach to the passing game philosophy.
- Same conference that does not value defense in the slightest.
- similar height, arm length and hand size
- (to date) and inability to process basic defensive concepts pre and post snap.
-appearing to have slow eyes moving from his first read resulting in late throws, high throws and general inaccuracy that stems from lacking anticipation.
Meanwhile you're rebuttal is.... that he isn't 30?
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Isn't that just the easiest comparison? Because of the osu connection. He really isn't like weeden. I have zero expectations for him but he's not Brandon weeden. He sure as hell isn't almost 30 as a rookie either.
I was the one that intially made the connection and yes, it isn't terrible to make. Save for the age, there are several factors that make it appropriate.
-Same school, coach, and approach to the passing game philosophy.
- Same conference that does not value defense in the slightest.
- similar height, arm length and hand size
- (to date) and inability to process basic defensive concepts pre and post snap.
-appearing to have slow eyes moving from his first read resulting in late throws, high throws and general inaccuracy that stems from lacking anticipation.
Meanwhile you're rebuttal is.... that he isn't 30?
Meanwhile you're rebuttal is.... that he isn't 30?
That he wont be starting his career with a hapless dysfunctional franchise.
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If people want to jump to conclusions by saying Rudolph is another Weeden, then you can easily say Maker Mayfield is another Johnny Manziel....
In 4 years Mayfield had a career 14607 passing yds, with a 68% completion rating.
In 2 years Manziel had a career 7820 passing yds, and a 69% completion rating.
Both QB's with similar stats.Both Heisman Winners
Both same conferences
Both short.
Both with issues.
Except that if Rudolph was truly a Weeden, you won't see the Steelers making the same mistake twice.
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That he wont be starting his career with a hapless dysfunctional franchise.
And this is a fair point. But had the Steelers drafted Weeden instead of us, do you really think he becomes a franchise worthy QB?
For my knocks on Mason, I'm not pleased with the Mayfield pick and fear the worst. So you're not going to hurt my feelings by saying Baker is 'this and that'.
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That he wont be starting his career with a hapless dysfunctional franchise.
Weeden is one of the primary reasons it was hapless. (plus Manziel/Quinn/Frye/McCoy etc. etc. etc.)
You dumbass Steeler fans don't seem to get that because you have had a top notch franchise QB for a long time now.
But just think how you would be if you had 28 Bubby Bristers in a row. That is what the Browns have had essentially.
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If people want to jump to conclusions by saying Rudolph is another Weeden, then you can easily say Maker Mayfield is another Johnny Manziel....
In 4 years Mayfield had a career 14607 passing yds, with a 68% completion rating.
In 2 years Manziel had a career 7820 passing yds, and a 69% completion rating.
Both QB's with similar stats.Both Heisman Winners
Both same conferences
Both short.
Both with issues.
Except that if Rudolph was truly a Weeden, you won't see the Steelers making the same mistake twice.
If people want to jump to conclusions by saying Rudolph is another Weeden, then you can easily say Maker Mayfield is another Johnny Manziel....
In 4 years Mayfield had a career 14607 passing yds, with a 68% completion rating.
In 2 years Manziel had a career 7820 passing yds, and a 69% completion rating.
Both QB's with similar stats.Both Heisman Winners
Both same conferences
Both short.
Both with issues.
Except that if Rudolph was truly a Weeden, you won't see the Steelers making the same mistake twice.
Well.....if you have not paying attention.....those exact comparison HAVE been made constantly. It is a main reason this fan base was...and is...still skeptical of the choice. Trust us....we are fully aware of it.
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"May be the best"? Sure, but the odds are not good.
That said at the price of a third... might as well take a shot.
More importantly I think since Rudolph did not even go in the 2nd, Gip should take everyone to lunch who considered any kind of Rudolph related bet with him...
... and have to wear a Steeler throwback jersey to boot.
But you didn't take me up on the bet. So you lose sucker. You should not have been such a chicken
But you didn't take me up on the bet. So you lose sucker. You should not have been such a chicken
Not seeing how I "lose" since I'm not the one that made a prediction that missed by a mile.
A miss so egregious that a self-respecting man would put behind him through the purchase of a mass lunch for the many that told him so...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But you didn't take me up on the bet. So you lose sucker. You should not have been such a chicken
Not seeing how I "lose" since I'm not the one that made a prediction that missed by a mile.
A miss so egregious that a self-respecting man would put behind him through the purchase of a mass lunch for the many that told him so...
Not seeing how I "lose" since I'm not the one that made a prediction that missed by a mile.
A miss so egregious that a self-respecting man would put behind him through the purchase of a mass lunch for the many that told him so...
You lose because you were too gutless to back up your opinion. Why should you be rewarded for gutlessness? Particularly when you claim that there was no way for you to lose.
You must have had some doubts....because you wanted to bet that the top 4 QBs would be taken before him. A situation I personally never doubted and ergo made no bet on. But you were willing to make some kind of bet, ergo....I can only assume that you thought that your risk of losing was too great.
Tell you what: go buy yourself a chicken dinner...and for a moment consider that you may be being cannibalistic.
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That he wont be starting his career with a hapless dysfunctional franchise.
Weeden is one of the primary reasons it was hapless. (plus Manziel/Quinn/Frye/McCoy etc. etc. etc.)
You dumbass Steeler fans don't seem to get that because you have had a top notch franchise QB for a long time now.
But just think how you would be if you had 28 Bubby Bristers in a row. That is what the Browns have had essentially.
Weeden is one of the primary reasons it was hapless. (plus Manziel/Quinn/Frye/McCoy etc. etc. etc.)
You dumbass Steeler fans don't seem to get that because you have had a top notch franchise QB for a long time now.
But just think how you would be if you had 28 Bubby Bristers in a row. That is what the Browns have had essentially.
Uh no, QB's not the primary reason.
Who selected Weeden and the others?
A dysfunctional organization did. Regime after regime making repeated failed draft choices like Weeden is the primary reason it was hapless.
Even dumbass Steeler fans know that.
Let's see... the QB's between Bradshaw and Ben:
Stoudt, Malone, Brister, O'Donnell, Tomczak, Stewart, Maddox...between them 11 playoff appearances, and each played in at least one playoff game.
It's the organization stupid.
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