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  • we need continuity.

  • stillmotionS stillmotion

    we need continuity.

    @stillmotion said:

    we need continuity.

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

  • B BaconHound

    @stillmotion said:

    we need continuity.

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    @baconhound said:

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @baconhound said:

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

    @tour2ma said:

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

    And I know I've been a Manziel hater but he seems to refuse to stay in the pocket, go through his reads, plant his feet and step into the throw. I don't know how you look at that and say, "oh well he can run"

  • Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
    Mark OM 1 Reply

  • Ever since his first pre-season action last year, I have thought that Johnny didn't and will never have what it takes to be a top NFL QB....... Then, now, or ever.

    There it is, and I'll stand by it.

  • VesnaKociper said:

    Now mind you, Manziel is the most talented player on the Browns roster...

    LMAO... right up there with "Eric Heiden"...

    Good one, Ghoulie...

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  • Browns149B Browns149

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

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  • Mark OM Mark O

    @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    @mark-o said:

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    I would guess they can teach him footwork. But being as short as he is he seems to always be backpedaling to see.
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • Mark OM Mark O

    @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    @mark-o said:

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    Live action in NFL games is a terrible place to work on basic fundamentals. I would think he can work on it in practice, but once the bullets fly for real, players revert back to who and what they are regarding their fundamentals........... Side armers will sling it like a SS turning a double play when the shit hits the fan!

  • A 2nd for Johnny?! Haha

    Another stupid post by a stupid troll

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    👍

  • Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    Karlis Missed
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  • Bob806B Bob806

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    @bob806 said:

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    Just let it go.... don't feed the troll...

  • Bob806B Bob806

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    @bob806 said:

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    Kordell Stewart.. former Stooler QB and Schenley Park blow job enthusiast.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • Ok got it. Why bring him up, been out of the league for 15 years.

    Karlis Missed
  • Browns149B Browns149

    @mark-o said:

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    I would guess they can teach him footwork. But being as short as he is he seems to always be backpedaling to see.

    @browns149 said:

    I would guess they can teach him footwork. But being as short as he is he seems to always be backpedaling to see.

    He has been taught footwork... spent time with George Whitfield even before OTAs. Then O'Connell worked him. And you can bet that M-F mechanics are drilled into him...

    Problem is that it's still not engrained and so under pressure he reverts to "stepping in the bucket"... even when there is no pressure in his face and he has a throwing lane to see through.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @browns149 said:

    I would guess they can teach him footwork. But being as short as he is he seems to always be backpedaling to see.

    He has been taught footwork... spent time with George Whitfield even before OTAs. Then O'Connell worked him. And you can bet that M-F mechanics are drilled into him...

    Problem is that it's still not engrained and so under pressure he reverts to "stepping in the bucket"... even when there is no pressure in his face and he has a throwing lane to see through.

    @tour2ma said:

    He has been taught footwork... spent time with George Whitfield even before OTAs. Then O'Connell worked him. And you can bet that M-F mechanics are drilled into him...

    Problem is that it's still not engrained and so under pressure he reverts to "stepping in the bucket"... even when there is no pressure in his face and he has a throwing lane to see through.

    I do remember all the time with Whitfield because that was here in San Diego. So does that mean the answer is no...he can't learn it at this point? If that's the answer, then we need to ship him off to Dallas and we move on with McCown and a rookie.

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  • Manziel was 5-of-18 in the fourth quarter

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @tour2ma said:

    He has been taught footwork... spent time with George Whitfield even before OTAs. Then O'Connell worked him. And you can bet that M-F mechanics are drilled into him...

    Problem is that it's still not engrained and so under pressure he reverts to "stepping in the bucket"... even when there is no pressure in his face and he has a throwing lane to see through.

    I do remember all the time with Whitfield because that was here in San Diego. So does that mean the answer is no...he can't learn it at this point? If that's the answer, then we need to ship him off to Dallas and we move on with McCown and a rookie.

    @mark-o said:

    I do remember all the time with Whitfield because that was here in San Diego. So does that mean the answer is no...he can't learn it at this point? If that's the answer, then we need to ship him off to Dallas and we move on with McCown and a rookie.

    Never say never, but I do not like his odds at this point... And it was not just this one game.

    Against TN his throwing mechanics were damn good except when he was legitimately under duress. But they snapped back in his next, stress-free throw.

    His mechanics have been in decline in this last series of starts and today we saw really good throwing mechanics maybe once???

    It's a full-blown regression...

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  • Just a troll nothing to see here folks lol

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