Jonathan Paul Manziel

MasterDog

The dude played with 2 top 10 first round pick on the offensive side of the ball.

Quick, when was the last time a Heisman winner played with 2 top 10 picks?

gftChris

@masterdog said:

The dude played with 2 top 10 first round pick on the offensive side of the ball.

Quick, when was the last time a Heisman winner played with 2 top 10 picks?

2012, Johnny Manziel!

What's my prize?

DieHardBrownsFan

@hoorta said:

I think TC is just trying to give me a hard time. This personal debate has turned into a circular argument- mostly based on using the exception (on TC's part) and using nit picking semantics to try and make me look bad.

Ergo- me: best of the best succeed the NFL

TC: rookie qbs that succeed are best of best, inferring Heisman winners are exactly that.

JF: Heisman= best of best

me: Heisman does not always = best of best of best in pros.

I think we really need to lock this thread and start JF II, it's gotten far too long.

Agree:

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Redskins forum about Alfred Morris? What about Brian Orakpo?

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Colts forum about Coby Fleener?

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Jaguars forum about Toby Gerhardt?

You guys pine for a big name quarterback, then bitch when he's the only thing that everyone talks about. It's absolutely fucking hilarious.

miktoxic

yep he's a big name QB, in name only, so far.

the only people bitching are the fans that think if someone doesn't post manziel as the best thing since sliced bread they think it's a negative attack.

the guy said they should lock THIS thread. not that you couldn't start a new one.

lost that sense of humor. someone run over your dog?

miktoxic

that can't be me cuz i know shit about football, but i am well versed in sarcasm and wit.

tml1138

I'll admit, the attention does produce excitement while I wait until September gets here, but it's all about the Browns. Not one guy.

hoorta

@hoorta said:
I think we really need to lock this thread and start JF II, it's gotten far too long.

I had a seconding motion on that- so done deal

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Redskins forum about Alfred Morris? What about Brian Orakpo?

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Colts forum about Coby Fleener?

Do you think there's a billion threads on the Jaguars forum about Toby Gerhardt?

You guys pine for a big name quarterback, then bitch when he's the only thing that everyone talks about. It's absolutely fucking hilarious.

TC, I want a winning team, if Manziel helps provide it, great.

@mike-h said:
The only people bitching are the ones who said he wasn't a 1st-round pick, and that the Browns wouldn't pick him. It's really sad. They will continue to discredit him until given proof on the field that they were wrong. Which is fine. But the lengths people will go to in order to protect their laughable and "alledged" football acumen are stubborn, egotistical, and childish.

Mike, I'm over it. True, I didn't want the Browns to draft Manziel- but they did, and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. What do you mean discredit? He's a first round rookie quarterback- drafted in the same spot as Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden- so excuse me if if long years of watching first round quarterbacks mega-bust has taught me to temper my enthusiasm. . I'm hoping for the best- so far, so good, the way JF has carried himself, and the way the Browns have handled the media circus. What's irked me is the guys who are putting him in the HOF before he even takes a snap in a regular season game. I'll save my cheering for when he actually does something.

hoorta

Yes, Manziel is taking over Cleveland, but that other thread had gotten FAR too long. Post away, from your Friendly Moderator team.

MLD Woody

Johnny Douchebag

My work here is done

tml1138

Doubters lacking in knowledge? I'd ask you to try and enlighten us, but you've already done that to no avail. It's known who he is and what he's done, but it's different now at this level.

If Manziel is the one to lead us to the promised land...so be it...go Johnny go...

miktoxic

i really do hope this guy is the fran tarkenton of our time, if not better.

i would just ask everyone who is a fan of the browns or of JF himself to let the coaches coach. i really doubt that the organization picked him to fail. i have faith in the coaching staff to evaluate and make the decision of who starts and who doesn't. doesn't mean any decision is set in stone.

tml1138

Can someone explain to me how the MLB draft works? Because SD drafted Manziel in the 28th round....isn't that just wasting their pick at that spot?

The Gipper

@hoorta said:
Yes, Manziel is taking over Cleveland, but that other thread had gotten FAR too long. Post away, from your Friendly Moderator team.

It would have been sacrilege for any thread to overtake the Hot Cheerleader thread, after all, no?

LovesJohnnysWood

Damn Johnny dick suckers.

Not enough that 1 thread is devoted to him, now he has two.

You cocksuckers obviously swallow.

The Gipper

@everlastingxxx said:
Yes i am an excessive Johnny fan. Yes i am a Browns fan because of #2. Yes i believe he will start day 1. Yes i believe he will lead Cleveland to a winning record. Yes i think doubters are lacking in knowledge. Money Manziel fans unite! Be proud, be loud! lol

And what if none of that occurs? What if he, like all rookies should, spend at least half the season on the pine? What if Brian Hoyer actually looks good and has the team winning such that it appears that JFF stays on the bench for a while? Where will your rooting interest lie then?

Don't get us wrong....everyone wants JFF to succeed and lead the team to the promise land. I don't think this team drafted JFF in the first round for him to sit on the bench.

But we are not without knowledge...just confidence. We know that highly touted #22 overall QB draft choices can sink like the Titanic.....can you say Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden. And I know, you are going to say that JFF is not Brandon Weeden or Brady Quinn. Well, I sure as fuck hope not. We have been burned going down that trail too many times.

Once, twice, three times bitten, a dozen times shy babe. (courtesies to Ian Hunter).

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Few more... I think...

2. The QB named John who is #17 in career TD passes (note: not Elway or Unitas) Brodie? No, good guess though.

5. The John who is 4th all time in scoring: Carney (sp?) the kicker Check

7. The only WR named John who is in the Hall of Fame: Stallworth Check

8. The only TE named John who is in the HOF: Mackey Check

The Gipper

@lambert_58 said:

9. Ogden Ogden is one, there is another

11B. Taylor Check

The Gipper

How is it that the Johnny Manziel fans can't answer the Johnny Manziel questions. I know one is esoteric...though they should know who JFF is associating with these days. But the others they should be able to get. Hmm.

Zombo

The Cleveland Browns are sticking to their word at the quarterback position.

Coach Mike Pettine told reporters Thursday that rookie Johnny Manziel will stare up at Brian Hoyer when training camp opens next month.

"When we put the depth chart together, Brian will be No. 1," Pettine said, per NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala.

While acknowledging that Hoyer's play has been better, Pettine noted that Manziel will see his share of first-team snaps and still has a shot to win the job, saying: "I don't think it's insurmountable."

Manziel has struggled at times with his reads and progressions during offseason sessions, with observers noting that his decision-making and release need work. The former Texas A&M star has shown a tendency to stare down targets, but he's alsodisplayed more athleticism and quickness than Tyler Thigpen.

The more experienced Hoyer has shown a faster release and looked "far superior" making second and third reads, per Kinkhabwala.

Twitter erupted when Manziel fumbled a snap under center on Thursday, but his rockier moments are nothing more than a reminder of the growing pains all rookie passers encounter.

While no quarterback competition will generate more attention this summer, we don't take much stock in the pecking order on June 12.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000357878/article/brian-hoyer-to-enter-training-camp-as-the-browns-starter?campaign=Facebook_atl_sessler