Jonathan Paul Manziel
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didn't like the pick, didn't like most of the poser fans that came along with it (even though we got a couple of keepers out of the bunch...AG1969...
) but who doesn't root for the underdog?if all it takes is a stint in rehab to bring out the player that he was in college, then hell kid stay until TC.
too bad there is no crystal ball for a GM/coach to look into in order for them to slate their draft board. hopefully they take the safe route and bring in some raggy old vet to hold the team down for another year. worse record (schedule), time to evaluate manziel again, and see how the draft picks work out and then decide if manziel is the man going forward or is out the door...... and they go all in on cardale next year.
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I think he's the only one still here!
cuz he's an actual browns fan. others were just here to catch the johnny show, which unfortunately for us all, bombed.
maybe the sequel will be better.
(i would mention the historically horrid JF fans by name but i'm afraid in doing so they'd come knocking on the door again).
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This post may rank in the top five for "Most Flameworthy Post of All-Time", especially given how hard I've been on Mariota recently. This post isn't a personal endorsement of the player, just a way for me to kill time during lunch.
Speculation: Marcus Mariota is going to be a Cleveland Brown.
We'll start with Mary Kay Cabot's article a few days ago. In it Mary Kay talks about how Farmer was enamored with Mariota last season and that they continued to scout him this season. Not much more than common sense, but something.
Second, the quote from Pettine today that states the Browns are looking at the draft and free agency with the mindset they have to find a starting quarterback.
The third, and most convincing reason, is Kevin O'Connell. Obviously, O'Connell worked with Mariota throughout the pre-draft process. That's been discussed. Then, there's this:
"What I don't think the fans and media understand is that all these guys like Mariota, (Johnny) Manziel and (Bryce) Petty are all pure projection players. We can see certain characteristics on tape, but they don't play the same game that we play in the NFL so we can't see things we need to on tape. We have to make calculated guesses. I know this, I wouldn't bet against Mariota. He's a good football player." -- AFC QB coach
The aforementioned quote is on Marcus Mariota's NFL.com scouting profile. It's also clearly a quote from Kevin O'Connell... the only AFC North QB coach who has ties to all three of the quarterbacks mentioned in that quote (Mariota, Manziel and Petty). On it's own, nothing special. Combined with everything else, it is interesting.The fourth reason is the hire of John DeFillippo as OC. Flip is credited with developing Derek Carr in Oakland. Carr, a 6'3", 210 lb. freakishly athletic quarterback himself, also had many concerns about his transition due to the offensive system that he ran in college. Flip was able to turn Carr into a viable NFL QB in his rookie year, maybe he was brought to Cleveland not only because of his ties with Pettine and the area, but also because of what he'll need to do with Mariota?Speculation: Manziel to the Eagles?There's been a lot of talk about what the Browns could do with Johnny Manziel, especially if they are indeed looking to draft a QB this year. Obviously, we could keep him and have the quarterbacks battle it out this offseason. But, there could also be a trade with Philadelphia in the works. Chip Kelly has already stated that Manziel is more or less "the one that got away".βWhen I coached at Oregon, he was tailor made for [the system],β Kelly said to CSNPhilly. βHe broke my heart. I love the kid. I think he's a hell of a football player,β Kelly added.
Obviously, there are tons of reports about how Philadelphia will risk nothing to move up in the draft and take Mariota. However, a simple compromise could be getting the guy he originally wanted to run his offense in Oregon, along with someone else, without having to give up everything to do it.
Speculation: Crazy three-way trade scenario.
Because of the above scenarios, I've decided to just lump them all together and form a three-way trade. So, here goes:
Cleveland trades Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon to Philadelphia and, in return, receives #52.
Philadelphia trades Nick Foles to Tampa Bay.
Tampa Bay trades Cleveland the #1 overall and, in return, receives Cleveland's #12 and #19.
Cleveland Gives: Manziel, Gordon, #12, #19
Cleveland Receives: Mariota, #52
Tampa Bay Gives: #1
Tampa Bay Receives: Nick Foles, #12, #19
Philadelphia Gives: Nick Foles, #52
Philadelphia Receives: Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon
In this scenario, all three teams get what they are looking for. Tampa gets the tall, strong armed quarterback that Lovie Smith likes. And, as an added benefit, he has also proven to be successful in the NFL. In addition they are getting two first round picks to address other needs. On paper, Tampa Bay may come out the best in this deal.
Philadelphia gets the athletic, playmaking quarterback that Kelly salivates over and, as an added bonus, they're getting a freakishly talented WR who could go on to be a future HOFer, and they are only getting him at the cost of a second round pick.
Cleveland gets the quarterback they wanted in Mariota without having to completely break the bank to get him, plus they receive a second round pick as well, giving them picks #43, #52, #77, #108, #112 in the first four rounds.
(For the sake of expedition, I only factored in draft picks for this year. It would be more likely that there would be future draft picks involved as well.)
TL;DR: Mariota to Browns. Manziel to Eagles. Gordon to Eagles. Foles to Tampa.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
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If JM had never stepped foot on the field this year and wouldn't currently be residing in rehab...this could theoretically happen if Tampa Bay's FO thought that Foles upside was infinitely greater than either Mariota or Winston. Despite the fact I don't really care that much for either Winston or Mariota, something tells me the Tampa fan base would go Islamic State on the Bucs FO if they pulled that.
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I also doubt the eagles want fuck all to do with Josh Gordon.
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If I was a Tampa bay fan and they turned the number one pick into a young, proven QB AND picked up two picks in the top twenty, I'd jump for joy; that's one hell of a first round.
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My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Gordon: Let him sit out for a year. That's a no-brainer. He'll be worth more next year when he can actually play for somebody and has made it through his suspension. No is trading anything for a guy that needs to serve out a suspension, and it does not cost us anything to keep him around.
Manziel: The kid is sitting in rehab. Totally unproven player with two horrible starts under his belt who is probably going to be battling as a recovering alcoholic/addict for the rest of his career. Nobody wants him now. You bring him back, you let him prove his sobriety, play some preseason, than maybe he is worth something.
You are trying to trade guys that are practically untradeable right now. They both need to come back and get on the football field again and show promise before we can use either as trade bait.
Zombo
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This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
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That ^ actually wasn't supposed to happen.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
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How long do you get for lunch?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I have decided to come out of retirement to be the first ever 68 y.o. QB to take the Browns to the Superbowl. However you must draft me a DL, an ILB, an OL and a really pretty nudist nurse to take care of my owies. Now that's my NFL football fantasy.
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I have decided to come out of retirement to be the first ever 68 y.o. QB to take the Browns to the Superbowl. However you must draft me a DL, an ILB, an OL and a really pretty nudist nurse to take care of my owies. Now that's my NFL football fantasy.
I have decided to come out of retirement to be the first ever 68 y.o. QB to take the Browns to the Superbowl. However you must draft me a DL, an ILB, an OL and a really pretty nudist nurse to take care of my owies. Now that's my NFL football fantasy.
i could be the first 55 year old half-deaf, half-blind drunk QB to lead the browns and the franchise to their first cup..............of brandy that is.
ok, not the first cuz there was stabler and namath, so.....
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That ^ actually wasn't supposed to happen.
That ^ actually wasn't supposed to happen.
That's alright... I'll take a shot...
Zombo said:
My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Because we can move on with our next QB candidate...
My question is why would the Eagles take the chance?
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there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
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Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
what clients you mean crack whores.
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That ^ actually wasn't supposed to happen.
That's alright... I'll take a shot...
Zombo said:
My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Because we can move on with our next QB candidate...
My question is why would the Eagles take the chance?
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there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'.
HA!!
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