Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I think thats a pretty fair statement overall.......we can all agree that Johnny has caused much of his trouble....BUT the media is magnifying it and pouncing every chance they get(and there are a LOT of opportunities, unfortunately).....and he seems to attract a lot of idiots, like this kid he encountered at the tourney....or the guy in the lobby who got punched......or the fans at the bar who poured drinks on him.....so, if not for the idiots and prying media, most of this stuff would just fly under the radar.....and if Johnny actually played good, then we should all admit we would be more accepting of his antics....
For me.....it's not really about "blame" or whos fault this all is.........no, it's about all this shit being brought to the Browns(no matter WHO is the initial cause).....thats all....I dont hate Johnny, I just hate the shit that swirls around him...(and no matter whether you think it's his fault or not....it's there and it's not good for the team)
And the only 2 solutions to make it stop are either he learns to handle it properly AND plays great....or he goes away.....
Until then....he needs to figure out that he is a HUGE target and have a better plan about how he's gonna handle "things" when they crop up....as they seem to do so frequently.....
I think thats a pretty fair statement overall.......we can all agree that Johnny has caused much of his trouble....BUT the media is magnifying it and pouncing every chance they get(and there are a LOT of opportunities, unfortunately).....and he seems to attract a lot of idiots, like this kid he encountered at the tourney....or the guy in the lobby who got punched......or the fans at the bar who poured drinks on him.....so, if not for the idiots and prying media, most of this stuff would just fly under the radar.....and if Johnny actually played good, then we should all admit we would be more accepting of his antics....
For me.....it's not really about "blame" or whos fault this all is.........no, it's about all this shit being brought to the Browns(no matter WHO is the initial cause).....thats all....I dont hate Johnny, I just hate the shit that swirls around him...(and no matter whether you think it's his fault or not....it's there and it's not good for the team)
And the only 2 solutions to make it stop are either he learns to handle it properly AND plays great....or he goes away.....
Until then....he needs to figure out that he is a HUGE target and have a better plan about how he's gonna handle "things" when they crop up....as they seem to do so frequently.....
Nailed it again Mud.. If Your Posse Days our not Complete.. We Elect You and the Hat Into JF's New Media Posse. Don't forget us Little People
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Zombo said:
Maybe lots of 12 year olds bought jerseys.
I run a Browns fan website and am president of Browns Backer chapter of 300 or so fans.
Never got the indication that Browns fans want a "bad boy" QB.
Starving for a good one ... yes. Hoping he's a 5'11 elf that flips people off ... no.
But we will take that if he's good.
Pretty simple, really.
Zombo
If Manziel's sales were higher than Weeden's then I would say they do. And they were.
If Manziel's sales were higher than Weeden's then I would say they do. And they were.
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
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Just getting sick of the shit storm as Mudfly pointed out. I'll endure a lot for results but Manziel hasn't produced anything other than an 80 yard TD drive against Buffalo's second string defense in a blowout game. I really hope he makes a positive impact but based on his lack of physical presence and lackluster start, I'm not holding my breath.
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If Manziel's sales were higher than Weeden's then I would say they do. And they were.
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.Zombo said:
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
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No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.Zombo said:
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.
No, no they're not.
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No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.
No, no they're not.
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so 12 year old fags are taking over the world?
HA!
you see ghosts too?
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No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.Zombo said:
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.
So 90% of the Brownsboard and 100% of the Naples Browns Backers are wrong.
You,Walter, the Texas fanboys, a bunch of 12 year olds, and this season's bachelorette all want a "bad boy".
You know he's not a real "bad boy", right? Real bad boys don't "flip off" guys, go to rehab and throw water bottles.
Bad boys drink tequila, shit fire, fuck your wife, and don't explain anything.
IF, they throw something ... it's not water, it doesn't happen at a country club pool, it's not at a 18 year old boy, and they don't miss.
Zombo
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Judging from the jersey sales, they are.
Because Real Browns fans go out and buy the jersey of a 21 year old fucktard who hasn't proven shit, or even shown he's in the right league.
Half those jerseys were sold in Texas, the other half were sold to 12 year old boys .. and you, Walter and a couple other gay guys who like his girlish size and diva attitude.
Zombo
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Well I can guarantee you two things and that is that both former Texas born legends Sammy Baugh and Bobby Layne would have cleaned this kids clock by the second unwanted interruption.
Browns fans who continue to make something out of this situation just have no clue. Be happy it was a water bottle and that otherwise JM has obviously understood he needed to make major changes, which so far he has done. Start backing up your player for his attempts to be your "committed" QB. If you can't see that 10 attempts to explain things to this turd was way over the limit, then your hatred is just getting in the way of your common sense.
Well I can guarantee you two things and that is that both former Texas born legends Sammy Baugh and Bobby Layne would have cleaned this kids clock by the second unwanted interruption.
Browns fans who continue to make something out of this situation just have no clue. Be happy it was a water bottle and that otherwise JM has obviously understood he needed to make major changes, which so far he has done. Start backing up your player for his attempts to be your "committed" QB. If you can't see that 10 attempts to explain things to this turd was way over the limit, then your hatred is just getting in the way of your common sense.
I happen to agree with you Ag. If this had been any other NFL player in the same situation- it's a non-story. Blown miles out of proportion by the media.
Hell, some of the Cincinnati Stripers jailhouse gang have busted up bars, slapped pushy bitches in the face, and gotten less media attention.
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If Manziel's sales were higher than Weeden's then I would say they do. And they were.
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
We're really just arguing out of our own experience, which is pretty pointless (although I actually have experience being a fan of Johnny when he was good).Zombo said:
12 year olds. Heisman trophy. Social media whore ... hence jersey sales
None of my friends want a "bad boy" ... not even a wannabe bottle-tossing badboy.
Just shut up and win or we move on to the next one.
Zombo
McCoy was the winningest college quarterback of all time, fresh off a 13-1 season with a team that had been top 2 or 3 in national branding for about a decade, but I suppose no 12 year olds wanted his jersey and the delta between his and Manziel's sales is strictly due to little kids? This makes no sense.
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The president of the Austin Browns Backers is a UT grad and I saw him in a Manziel jersey at the draft party. But he's just another 12 year old and/or Aggie, apparently.
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Judging from the jersey sales, they are.
Because Real Browns fans go out and buy the jersey of a 21 year old fucktard who hasn't proven shit, or even shown he's in the right league.
Half those jerseys were sold in Texas, the other half were sold to 12 year old boys .. and you, Walter and a couple other gay guys who like his girlish size and diva attitude.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Because Real Browns fans go out and buy the jersey of a 21 year old fucktard who hasn't proven shit, or even shown he's in the right league.
Half those jerseys were sold in Texas, the other half were sold to 12 year old boys .. and you, Walter and a couple other gay guys who like his girlish size and diva attitude.
Zombo
So I guess all the guys saying they were going to get Shelton jerseys weren't real Browns fans.
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No offense, but your friends are in the minority...and falling moreso into it everyday.
So 90% of the Brownsboard and 100% of the Naples Browns Backers are wrong.
You,Walter, the Texas fanboys, a bunch of 12 year olds, and this season's bachelorette all want a "bad boy".
You know he's not a real "bad boy", right? Real bad boys don't "flip off" guys, go to rehab and throw water bottles.
Bad boys drink tequila, shit fire, fuck your wife, and don't explain anything.
IF, they throw something ... it's not water, it doesn't happen at a country club pool, it's not at a 18 year old boy, and they don't miss.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Bad boys drink tequila, shit fire, fuck your wife, and don't explain anything.
By the utter reaching you do in order to dump on him (this post itself being a good example) I'm surprised this hasn't happened. Also, at least to everyone I know, tequila is regarded as a pretty feminine drink.
So just to be clear: when he's getting drunk, sleeping with women like Wilt Chamberlain, and not explaining any of it (2012-2014, only 2014 being relevant to you), he's a huge prick and should straighten out, but now that he's clean he's no longer a bad boy.
But you admit to wanting him to be good without being a bad boy, yet are not satisfied with his current state, even though by your own admission, he's no longer a bad boy.
What a tangled web we weave.
But to your point: we played Sam Houston State who is a notoriously dirty team that tries to cheap shot/injure opponents and talk a lot of trash. Johnny took the opportunity to teabag one of their defenders as he was getting up after trucking him into the end zone.
Against Rice when some kid was mouthing off to him, he mouthed off right back and pointed at the scoreboard, almost getting ejected IIRC.
Also against Rice (suspended the first half for selling autographs), he pantomimed signing an autograph after some Rice player mouthed off to him.
Here he is doing the PAT.
These are just off the top of my head. I only said he needed to keep his edge ON the field, and I'm sure he will. Sorry he's failed to live up to your definition of a "bad boy" (even though for a page and a half you argued things with the premise that he was).
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Bad boys carry pistols, smoke weed, knock their wives unconscious, hang with murderers, shoot rival gang members and torture dogs.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Bad boys carry pistols, smoke weed, knock their wives unconscious, hang with murderers, shoot rival gang members and torture dogs.
WSS
Bad boys carry pistols, smoke weed, knock their wives unconscious, hang with murderers, shoot rival gang members and torture dogs.
WSS
here we call those people criminals, not bad boys (that term is pretty gay to begin with).
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Bad boys carry pistols, smoke weed, knock their wives unconscious, hang with murderers, shoot rival gang members and torture dogs.
WSS
here we call those people criminals, not bad boys (that term is pretty gay to begin with).
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Holy shit...... Now his fanboys are arguing over how much of a 'bad boy' the lil' fella is! "Ain't he kool?!" "Did you see how he got in that dude's face?!" "Watch yo self, or he'll flip you off!!"
L M A O!!! Funniest, gayest and yet saddest thing I've seen regarding our bestest pop warner QB ever.
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Holy shit...... Now his fanboys are arguing over how much of a 'bad boy' the lil' fella is! "Ain't he kool?!" "Did you see how he got in that dude's face?!" "Watch yo self, or he'll flip you off!!"
L M A O!!! Funniest, gayest and yet saddest thing I've seen regarding our bestest pop warner QB ever.
L M A O!!! Funniest, gayest and yet saddest thing I've seen regarding our bestest pop warner QB ever.
HA!....no doubt......somehow jersey sales and a bad attitude now equal a "good quarterback"....hilarious shit right there...
Where I come from, "Bad Boys" were always a chick thing......
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