Jonathan Paul Manziel
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"can you accept its probably mostly 25 and younger that do(and those are probably a large part of the "everyone you know" comment)?.....can you accept that 25 and above just might have different values?....."
Sure. Except that I know a ton of Ags a lot older than that that love Johnny. So no I would never say that 25+ by and large wouldn't like him. I think the most that wouldn't enjoy it would be 50% (and even then you wouldn't hear from them because we'd be winning).
I already conceded you had good data on the jersey sales. I said you were right, it disproved my point. Thought I pretty strongly implied I respected your position then too. Not sure what more you want. You turned me on to PFF, so I'll always like you for that
I'm not even a total Manzielot or anything is what's ironic. I was fairly indifferent when the Browns drafted him (as a Browns fan). I like the Mccown signing. I'm not sure whether Johnny will ever be good in the NFL but I do lean toward no, for now. I do think he should stay home instead of going to big events. Not that much daylight between those positions and everyone else's. But I do think he'd be loved in Cleveland if he were good (duh), and especially if he was still edgy on the field. That's all I've said in this thread. Since we are throwing out jersey sales as a data point, we really have nothing to look to yet.
What I don't do is make fun of him at every turn, act like he screwed my girlfriend, or generally devolve into a crotchety old woman at the mere mention of his name (not referring to you Mud, but others do).
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Zombo said:
Ummm .. No, that's not about him on the field.
Are you for real?
Zombo
Oh I suppose you meant he was a total dweeb off the field but you agree he's a bad boy on it. Got it.
Oh I suppose you meant he was a total dweeb off the field but you agree he's a bad boy on it. Got it.
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
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Oh I suppose you meant he was a total dweeb off the field but you agree he's a bad boy on it. Got it.
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
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Oh I suppose you meant he was a total dweeb off the field but you agree he's a bad boy on it. Got it.
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
Zombo said:
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
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Zombo said:
You are making up stuff......then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Perfectly stated....
sums it up pretty concisely....
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Classy, both of you.
....and here I thought it was cool....you know, edgy ball sackish bad boy stuff.....thought you preferred that to class
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And vice versa to you.
But I'll play. F you, Mudfly
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Zombo said:
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
I never called him a "wuss" or a "dweeb" on or off the field.
I simply laughed at your use of the wordage "Bad Boy" and described the difference between a real bad ass and water-bottle throwing elf that likes to flip people off. That's not bad ass.
Now you want to know if I think he is a "bad boy" on the field?
I think that sounds really gay. He was an exciting player who won a lot of games in college and I hope he can be the same in the pros.
So far it isn't happening, but I haven't completely given up on the elf yet.
Zombo
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Yeah bad ass is such a better, less gay term. Glad that's nailed down.
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Yeah bad ass is such a better, less gay term. Glad that's nailed down.
Well, you can't make a football point, we might as well teach you not to be so gay if you insist on being a Browns fan.
Zombo
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Thanks.
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Zombo said:
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
Define "bad". In the traditional sense....yes, he is a bad boy.
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Cue Baby Bhatt from Seinfeld. "You bad man. You bery bad man."
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Well I don't know whether he made MVP of the softball game, but he did win the softball home run derby and signed a baby.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2488398-johnny-manziel-signs-baby-at-cleveland-browns-fan-fest
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So... he does sign autographs?
"Until you feel youโve found what you would call a long-term solution, I donโt think we could have done any better than bringing in a guy like Josh McCown.โ - Mike Pettine at FanFest
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So... he does sign autographs?
"Until you feel youโve found what you would call a long-term solution, I donโt think we could have done any better than bringing in a guy like Josh McCown.โ - Mike Pettine at FanFest
So... he does sign autographs?
"Until you feel youโve found what you would call a long-term solution, I donโt think we could have done any better than bringing in a guy like Josh McCown.โ - Mike Pettine at FanFest
LOL! Thanks for sharing that Tour! With all the previous Poseiden Adventures we've witnessed, the quote by Pettine above is a classic reminder we have the right guy steering the ship today.
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Well I don't know whether he made MVP of the softball game, but he did win the softball home run derby and signed a baby.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2488398-johnny-manziel-signs-baby-at-cleveland-browns-fan-fest
Well I don't know whether he made MVP of the softball game, but he did win the softball home run derby and signed a baby.
He's a hell of a golfer too.....great actually....
My nephew is one of the Pro's at Barrington and played caddy(for Hartline) when the Browns recently had their outing......he said JFF was one of the best golfers out there and there were some really good ones......(including one caddy I happen to know well)...
So he can hit a ball, thats for sure.......
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Zombo said:
No, you made up something about me saying Johnny was a wuss on the field.
Then you backed it up with a quote by me saying that water bottle incident (off the field) didn't make him a bad a boy.
I've never mentioned Johnny on the field in this thread.
You are making up stuff that I never said and then using it as a reference point.
There is something not right about you. Are you a troll I banned before?
Zombo
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
Well, Is he a "bad boy" on the field or not? Instead of ducking and dodging then popping your head out like a Jack in the Box "not what I said!!! Hahaha you're an idiot!!! Is something not right with you?" (very original btw), why don't you actually put it on the line. He a bad boy on the field or not? You seemed to start this thread arguing based on the premise that he was after I threw it out. Then you turn to calling him a total wuss (off the field of course). So what, in your mind, is his demeanor on the field?
Furthermore, I never really said he was a bad boy off the field either. So by your own standard, there is something wrong with you.
This is a prime example of you guys just looking for reasons to dump on him. I say it'd be really fun if he were good and still had an edge on the field. You not only disagree, but then take to saying he's a total dweeb off the field. You take any compliment of his (which I have not even made that many of, I made one claim: that he was a bad boy on the field and it's fun to be a fan of it) personally. But I'm the one with the problem. Ok.
War that's about as rational as ISIS going Adolph Hitler on the Middle East. We get that you remember the Johnny Football we hoped we drafted. The only person that's been showing us we got Johnny Blutarsky instead is.... Manziel.
ALL of us want to see the Johnny Football that went into Nick Saban's house and owned it against the about-to-be National Champs. Not just the A&M alumni that decided they suddenly like the Browns. Keep in mind, the SEC QB we did not have to draft went 10-2 with 24 TDs to 1 INT. This guy actually knew the plays when it was his turn to start for Cleveland; so there were no excuses required. Not only that, but check out some of his pre-draft fitness metrics that don't take a backseat to Manziel either.
Me thinks Manziel's biggest enemy isn't alcohol or his 2 minutes of fame - it's the quiet guy that's been a film rat taking his short window of opportunity way more serious than somebody that's too satisfied with what's in the rear view mirror. The more we hear "he's gonna" the more that means "he still hasn't." We're not waiting to exhale here when the only questionable rookies in 2014 were Manziel and Gilbert considering the undrafted bargains that were willing to outwork and outplay them.
We've already seen Braylon Edwards prioritize alcohol induced barfights and Tequilla Sunrises with Donte Stallworth when he wasn't getting glass in his foot from racing his buddy in bare feet. That's the kind of stuff we've seen from talented prospects that didn't prioritize football longer than a cup of coffee here. When Edwards worked his tail off 2 years post surgery to prove he could regain the form that got him drafted 3rd overall, that showed us what a guy prioritizing football can do with focus and a pro work ethic. We also saw a completely different player when partying became a bigger priority. You don't just go from 16 TD receptions in 1 year to WTF. We relived this with Josh Gordon so there's some good reasons to doubt prospects getting more headlines for partying. Don Rogers went from Rookie of the Year to dead just 1-2 years later. History hasn't lied to us yet!
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Braylon Edwards, Don Rogers and Josh Gordon....YOUCH!....
Gotta add tough guy soldier Kellen Winslow and his uber cool motorcycle tricks in the parking lot.....
Yep.....thats 4 potentially amazing careers completely trashed by a lack of maturity and/or bad behavior.....
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