Would an NHL team work in Cleveland?
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Is this some kind of water skiing sport where you kick the ball with your free foot and slalom with the other??
Or is it one that is more appropriate to the environs of the moon Europa?
Is this some kind of water skiing sport where you kick the ball with your free foot and slalom with the other??
Or is it one that is more appropriate to the environs of the moon Europa?
Are you drunk? Or on some other drug?
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Zombo said:
Won't happen. You can always drive to Columbus. Or Pittsburgh. Or Buffalo. Or Detroit.
Z
Which is why a Cleveland team makes sense because you have 4 natural rivals right there.
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Hockey is a good, fast hard hitting sport and fun to be at a game but can Ohio and NE OHIO support two NHL teams, I doubt it.
The old Barons even folded way back when the City of Cleveland had way more people.....I don't know if the metro area will go to the games in sufficient numbers with the Cavs still around.
Hockey, somewhat like Basketball, likes to put its team into "One Horse Towns". They want to be the only major league franchise in a city a lot of times. Ergo: Columbus, Raleigh (who moved from one horse town Hartford), ...in a sense, San Jose though that is a part of a larger market. Its why they went into Vegas (the Raiders announced their move later)...and, of course the 6 Canadian cities where they are the only game in town.
They need one more team to make an "even" 32. Some candidates include Canadian cities where there are no teams now: Quebec City, and Hamilton. It also includes American cities that do have other teams, but no NBA team to compete at the same time of year: Seattle, San Diego. You never know, a wild card could come out of the woods, again, a market with no current major league team: like Va. Beach/Norfolk.
Hockey, somewhat like Basketball, likes to put its team into "One Horse Towns". They want to be the only major league franchise in a city a lot of times. Ergo: Columbus, Raleigh (who moved from one horse town Hartford), ...in a sense, San Jose though that is a part of a larger market. Its why they went into Vegas (the Raiders announced their move later)...and, of course the 6 Canadian cities where they are the only game in town.
They need one more team to make an "even" 32. Some candidates include Canadian cities where there are no teams now: Quebec City, and Hamilton. It also includes American cities that do have other teams, but no NBA team to compete at the same time of year: Seattle, San Diego. You never know, a wild card could come out of the woods, again, a market with no current major league team: like Va. Beach/Norfolk.
Hockey thrives in football towns. See - Dallas, Boston, Chicago, Buffalo, Pittsburgh,.DC, Denver, Philadelphia
Put a winner out there and they will come. Look at Las Vegas? Who would guess hockey would make it there. Or Dallas, Tampa Bay, Nashville.
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Hockey, somewhat like Basketball, likes to put its team into "One Horse Towns". They want to be the only major league franchise in a city a lot of times. Ergo: Columbus, Raleigh (who moved from one horse town Hartford), ...in a sense, San Jose though that is a part of a larger market. Its why they went into Vegas (the Raiders announced their move later)...and, of course the 6 Canadian cities where they are the only game in town.
They need one more team to make an "even" 32. Some candidates include Canadian cities where there are no teams now: Quebec City, and Hamilton. It also includes American cities that do have other teams, but no NBA team to compete at the same time of year: Seattle, San Diego. You never know, a wild card could come out of the woods, again, a market with no current major league team: like Va. Beach/Norfolk.
Hockey thrives in football towns. See - Dallas, Boston, Chicago, Buffalo, Pittsburgh,.DC, Denver, Philadelphia
Put a winner out there and they will come. Look at Las Vegas? Who would guess hockey would make it there. Or Dallas, Tampa Bay, Nashville.
Hockey thrives in football towns. See - Dallas, Boston, Chicago, Buffalo, Pittsburgh,.DC, Denver, Philadelphia
Put a winner out there and they will come. Look at Las Vegas? Who would guess hockey would make it there. Or Dallas, Tampa Bay, Nashville.
There is nothing to say that hockey could not have thrived here in Cleveland. It was really never, ever given a chance. While maybe initially attendance was off, interest in the team was starting to catch on. It was really bad management.....or misfeasance if not malfeasance that caused things to go wrong. There was also apparently some gouging going on in their lease arrangement with the Coliseum. Not sure who was running the Coliseum at that point (Nick Mileti? or someone else)
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Is this some kind of water skiing sport where you kick the ball with your free foot and slalom with the other??
Or is it one that is more appropriate to the environs of the moon Europa?
Are you drunk? Or on some other drug?
Are you drunk? Or on some other drug?
I left 5 years in the cold of Wyoming and never want to experience anything like that again. I hate Ice. They had two seasons, winter and July 4.
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the reason it wont happen is not brcause hockey wouldnt go over well here, cause it would, but because cleveland pulls fans from the south for all their other teams. ohio wants columbus to have hockey and the buckeyes. if cleveland were to push for a hockey team columbus could start making noise for a basketball team and "maybe" even push for an NFL team. wouldnt surprise me in the slightest to hear of colimbus approaching haslem to move the browns there.
i went to one of the playoff games berween the jackets and caps.....tgat sht was amazing. as much as i loved it tho id rather let the blue jackets pull all of ohio and keep columbus more or less browns territory. i would like nothing more than for the bucks to be a conduit of players to the browns. nick bosa shut ur fukking mouth and say nothing about cleveland just fukking come here and get a big building poster of urself
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The NHL is a little like NASCAR plays better in some locales than others and neither is truly national.....or international.
Hockey is definitely "international". Obviously, it is the national sport of Canada, so that there makes it international......but it is also huge in Russia, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Czech/Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Norway, Switzerland, South Korea...and in a lot of the Former USSR republics, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan etc. About 50 countries had teams that tried to get into the Winter Olympic games:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics_–_Men's_qualification
Hockey is definitely "international". Obviously, it is the national sport of Canada, so that there makes it international......but it is also huge in Russia, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Czech/Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Norway, Switzerland, South Korea...and in a lot of the Former USSR republics, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan etc. About 50 countries had teams that tried to get into the Winter Olympic games:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics_–_Men's_qualification
Hockey is international including the Olympics.
The NHL is played in the USA and Canada, I don't think that there will be any NHL teams abroad.
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Back to the original question would the NHL work in Cleveland?
Would someone bankroll it -and- would the NHL go for it over other possible cities.......I don't know.
Back to the original question would the NHL work in Cleveland?
Would someone bankroll it -and- would the NHL go for it over other possible cities.......I don't know.
The answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think the Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets territoryThe answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think that Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets
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Hockey thrives in football towns. See - Dallas, Boston, Chicago, Buffalo, Pittsburgh,.DC, Denver, Philadelphia
Put a winner out there and they will come. Look at Las Vegas? Who would guess hockey would make it there. Or Dallas, Tampa Bay, Nashville.
There is nothing to say that hockey could not have thrived here in Cleveland. It was really never, ever given a chance. While maybe initially attendance was off, interest in the team was starting to catch on. It was really bad management.....or misfeasance if not malfeasance that caused things to go wrong. There was also apparently some gouging going on in their lease arrangement with the Coliseum. Not sure who was running the Coliseum at that point (Nick Mileti? or someone else)
There is nothing to say that hockey could not have thrived here in Cleveland. It was really never, ever given a chance. While maybe initially attendance was off, interest in the team was starting to catch on. It was really bad management.....or misfeasance if not malfeasance that caused things to go wrong. There was also apparently some gouging going on in their lease arrangement with the Coliseum. Not sure who was running the Coliseum at that point (Nick Mileti? or someone else)
If there was only the Browns, Indians and the NHL team in Cleveland... and assuming Columbus wasn't given an expansion team.... Yes, I believe Cleveland could have been a decent NHL town. Seems like the Monsters get good support.
But I still stick to my assertion that Cleveland is not a big enough market for four pro teams... For a NHL team to have succeeded in Cleveland, there could not have been the Cavs.
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There is nothing to say that hockey could not have thrived here in Cleveland. It was really never, ever given a chance. While maybe initially attendance was off, interest in the team was starting to catch on. It was really bad management.....or misfeasance if not malfeasance that caused things to go wrong. There was also apparently some gouging going on in their lease arrangement with the Coliseum. Not sure who was running the Coliseum at that point (Nick Mileti? or someone else)
If there was only the Browns, Indians and the NHL team in Cleveland... and assuming Columbus wasn't given an expansion team.... Yes, I believe Cleveland could have been a decent NHL town. Seems like the Monsters get good support.
But I still stick to my assertion that Cleveland is not a big enough market for four pro teams... For a NHL team to have succeeded in Cleveland, there could not have been the Cavs.
If there was only the Browns, Indians and the NHL team in Cleveland... and assuming Columbus wasn't given an expansion team.... Yes, I believe Cleveland could have been a decent NHL town. Seems like the Monsters get good support.
But I still stick to my assertion that Cleveland is not a big enough market for four pro teams... For a NHL team to have succeeded in Cleveland, there could not have been the Cavs.
4 teams work in markets of similar size including Minnesota Denver and maybe a couple of others
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If there was only the Browns, Indians and the NHL team in Cleveland... and assuming Columbus wasn't given an expansion team.... Yes, I believe Cleveland could have been a decent NHL town. Seems like the Monsters get good support.
But I still stick to my assertion that Cleveland is not a big enough market for four pro teams... For a NHL team to have succeeded in Cleveland, there could not have been the Cavs.
4 teams work in markets of similar size including Minnesota Denver and maybe a couple of others
4 teams work in markets of similar size including Minnesota Denver and maybe a couple of others
Minneapolis metro area has 3.6 million residents, #16 in U.S. Denver has 2.8 million residents, #19 in U.S.
Cleveland metro has 2.0 million, #33, and unlike the above two markets, is slightly declining in population.
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4 teams work in markets of similar size including Minnesota Denver and maybe a couple of others
Minneapolis metro area has 3.6 million residents, #16 in U.S. Denver has 2.8 million residents, #19 in U.S.
Cleveland metro has 2.0 million, #33, and unlike the above two markets, is slightly declining in population.
Minneapolis metro area has 3.6 million residents, #16 in U.S. Denver has 2.8 million residents, #19 in U.S.
Cleveland metro has 2.0 million, #33, and unlike the above two markets, is slightly declining in population.
See above at the DMA numbers....which are the ones that count. Your numbers are off. Way the Shmuck off. The Cleveland area is only about 250,000 behind Minnesota, and 150K behind Denver. You must be only counting like Cuyahoga County, not the entire metro area. Here are the whole Metro area numbers for combined statistical areas:
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And that data doesn't include the Toledo or Mahoning Valley (Youngstown/Warren) areas which really aren't too much farther out than the Akron/Canton areas.
Lake Erie sure cuts it off from the north.
I've driven the Niles/Girard to Cleveland run for decades for primarily sporting events countless times. (I've also done the run to Pittsburgh for Pirates games or work, nearly the same mileage and time, especially from Boardman where I live now.....oh and I've NEVER seen a steelrz game there!)
Compared to true big city driving those commutes are easy.
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Back to the original question would the NHL work in Cleveland?
Would someone bankroll it -and- would the NHL go for it over other possible cities.......I don't know.
The answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think the Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets territoryThe answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think that Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets
The answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think the Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets territoryThe answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think that Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets
And the new Vegas pucksters won the Stanley Cup out of the gate, that doesn't help old NE OHIO'S case for new sports franchises.
Ironically Nevada is a geographically big dust bowl outside of Vegas and Reno areas but close enough California......with a commute.
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The answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think the Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets territoryThe answer to the last part is definitely no. NHL doesn't want to come to Cleveland because I think that Cleveland is the Columbus blue me jackets
And the new Vegas pucksters won the Stanley Cup out of the gate, that doesn't help old NE OHIO'S case for new sports franchises.
Ironically Nevada is a geographically big dust bowl outside of Vegas and Reno areas but close enough California......with a commute.
And the new Vegas pucksters won the Stanley Cup out of the gate, that doesn't help old NE OHIO'S case for new sports franchises.
Ironically Nevada is a geographically big dust bowl outside of Vegas and Reno areas but close enough California......with a commute.
Vegas did not win the Stanley Cup....the Washington Capitols did. And I am not sure what that has to do with NEOhio's case for a sports franchise.
I mean...it IS a very, very rare event that a team will win...or compete for a league title their first year in a league,....but it is not unprecedented. The St. Louis Blues made the NHL finals their first year in the league.
And one team that I recall DID win the league Championship their first year in the league....that team is called The Cleveland Browns. 1950 NFL Champions, their first year in the NFL.
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And the new Vegas pucksters won the Stanley Cup out of the gate, that doesn't help old NE OHIO'S case for new sports franchises.
Ironically Nevada is a geographically big dust bowl outside of Vegas and Reno areas but close enough California......with a commute.
Vegas did not win the Stanley Cup....the Washington Capitols did. And I am not sure what that has to do with NEOhio's case for a sports franchise.
I mean...it IS a very, very rare event that a team will win...or compete for a league title their first year in a league,....but it is not unprecedented. The St. Louis Blues made the NHL finals their first year in the league.
And one team that I recall DID win the league Championship their first year in the league....that team is called The Cleveland Browns. 1950 NFL Champions, their first year in the NFL.
Vegas did not win the Stanley Cup....the Washington Capitols did. And I am not sure what that has to do with NEOhio's case for a sports franchise.
Wow how did I juxtapose that one, how could I forget the only front row lady Caps fan flash the winning team and the sporting world while they had the cup....in vegas yet. Still it was a great "showing" by the Golden Knights.
I wonder what became of her?
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Vegas did not win the Stanley Cup....the Washington Capitols did. And I am not sure what that has to do with NEOhio's case for a sports franchise.
Wow how did I juxtapose that one, how could I forget the only front row lady Caps fan flash the winning team and the sporting world while they had the cup....in vegas yet. Still it was a great "showing" by the Golden Knights.
I wonder what became of her?
Wow how did I juxtapose that one, how could I forget the only front row lady Caps fan flash the winning team and the sporting world while they had the cup....in vegas yet. Still it was a great "showing" by the Golden Knights.
I wonder what became of her?
She probably became a stripper...in Vegas of course!
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Zombo said:
Won't happen. You can always drive to Columbus. Or Pittsburgh. Or Buffalo. Or Detroit.
Z
I wouldn't say it won't happen, but the NHL is determined to grown the sport in sunbelt states.
There was a reason NHL teams were all northern or Canadian teams 60 years ago, That isn't a issue now. Look at Tampa or Nashville.....it is as hot as hot gets and both sell out. I understand Tampa with the snowbirds, but in Nashville, the Preds are a desired ticket. Houston to me would be a logical target. Big city, have a natural rivalry with Dallas
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the reason it wont happen is not brcause hockey wouldnt go over well here, cause it would, but because cleveland pulls fans from the south for all their other teams. ohio wants columbus to have hockey and the buckeyes. if cleveland were to push for a hockey team columbus could start making noise for a basketball team and "maybe" even push for an NFL team. wouldnt surprise me in the slightest to hear of colimbus approaching haslem to move the browns there.
i went to one of the playoff games berween the jackets and caps.....tgat sht was amazing. as much as i loved it tho id rather let the blue jackets pull all of ohio and keep columbus more or less browns territory. i would like nothing more than for the bucks to be a conduit of players to the browns. nick bosa shut ur fukking mouth and say nothing about cleveland just fukking come here and get a big building poster of urself
the reason it wont happen is not brcause hockey wouldnt go over well here, cause it would, but because cleveland pulls fans from the south for all their other teams. ohio wants columbus to have hockey and the buckeyes. if cleveland were to push for a hockey team columbus could start making noise for a basketball team and "maybe" even push for an NFL team. wouldnt surprise me in the slightest to hear of colimbus approaching haslem to move the browns there.
i went to one of the playoff games berween the jackets and caps.....tgat sht was amazing. as much as i loved it tho id rather let the blue jackets pull all of ohio and keep columbus more or less browns territory. i would like nothing more than for the bucks to be a conduit of players to the browns. nick bosa shut ur fukking mouth and say nothing about cleveland just fukking come here and get a big building poster of urself
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