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  • Packers blow out Steelers, great game from Deshone Kizer ... not so much from Gayson Rudolf.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Packers blow out Steelers, great game from Deshone Kizer ... not so much from Gayson Rudolf.

    Zombo

    Kizer   7/12 2 TDs

  • @mjp28 said:

    Hmmmm, let's see he's 36 has played 14 years and can still walk and remember where his car keys are......oh and has already earned over $170,000,000 not including endorsements or anything else. Now I like money like the next guy -but- when do you say "no mas" and walk away when the next DE or LB might kill you?

    From spotrac.....

    Estimated Career Earnings

    YEAR TEAM SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUCTURE BONUS OPTION BONUS INCENTIVE TOTAL CASH
    2004 Player Cash Earnings $230,000 $600,000 $1,172,000 - - - $283,500 $2,285,500
    2005 Player Cash Earnings $305,000 - - - - $7,237,500 $2,367,750 $9,910,250
    2006 Player Cash Earnings $655,500 - - - - - $2,342,750 $2,998,250
    2007 Player Cash Earnings $1,006,000 - - - - - $573,500 $1,579,500
    2008 Player Cash Earnings $2,500,000 $25,200,000 - - - - - $27,700,000
    2009 Player Cash Earnings $4,750,000 - $3,000,000 - - - - $7,750,000
    2010 Player Cash Earnings $6,155,882 - - - - - - $6,155,882
    2011 Player Cash Earnings $6,000,000 - - - $5,600,000 - - $11,600,000
    2012 Player Cash Earnings $900,000 - - - $10,700,000 - - $11,600,000
    2013 Player Cash Earnings $2,600,000 - - - $9,000,000 - - $11,600,000
    2014 Player Cash Earnings $12,100,000 - - - - - - $12,100,000
    2015 Player Cash Earnings $1,000,000 $31,000,000 $3,250,000 - - - $7,482 $35,257,482
    2016 Player Cash Earnings $17,750,000 - - - - - - $17,750,000
    2017 Player Cash Earnings $12,000,000 - - - - - - $12,000,000
    14 seasons $67,952,382 $56,800,000 $7,422,000 - $25,300,000 $7,237,500 $5,574,982 $170,286,864
    2018 Player Cash Earnings $12,000,000 - $5,000,000 - - - - $17,000,000
    2019 Player Cash Earnings $12,000,000 - $5,000,000 - - - - $17,000,000
      $91,952,382 $56,800,000 $17,422,000 - $25,300,000 $7,237,500 $5,574,982 $204,286,864

    mjp you are obviously a simple person. I imagine you haven't ever been passionate about much, started/ran a company, or excelled in much other than being a fan. Professional athletes are not like average people. An average thinking person doesn't rise to great things; doesn't take many risks in life; and generally does not reach that high in life. Leader, people who excell in life, and for the sake of this discussion, athletes do only one thing. They know only one thing, the eat, schidt and dream of only one thing. Ben has done nothing but football his entire life. A gladiator, a warrior, an athlete plays until nobody wants them or until their heart and body can take no more.

    As crippled as Kosar is, in his last interview he said he wishes he was still the QB of the Browns.

    Being in the limelight is not like living in the suburbs and having a nice life. Of course you think Ben has earned enough money. But you are not the caliber of achiever as Ben, so of course you can't indentify.

    Really, if you even have to ask this question, you are a bigger fukcking idiot than I assumed you were. The sports world is filled with examples of players, boxers, wrestlers, etc, who went out of the game in shambles. Dude.................a warrior only knows one love..............when the game is over, why do you think the majority of athletes vanish into horrible endings and obscurity?

    Idiot.

    @ghoolie said:

    mjp you are obviously a simple person. I imagine you haven't ever been passionate about much, started/ran a company, or excelled in much other than being a fan. Professional athletes are not like average people. An average thinking person doesn't rise to great things; doesn't take many risks in life; and generally does not reach that high in life. Leader, people who excell in life, and for the sake of this discussion, athletes do only one thing.

    Idiot.

    Oh yeah that describes me alright. 😆

    Obviously Mr Ghool you aren't a psychologist, oh well I'll go on letting you think you know everything. Aren't these random obscure anonymous sports boards interesting, you never really know who you're really talking to or about.

  • @vagitron said:

    He's cleared and out of protocol. He isn't retiring anytime soon barring some major injury. He also isn't touched much since the line has come together.

    Yes, I know as I'm able to read but you're missing my point. Big Ben may not be going down like he used to, but the guy got destroyed for a decade. We're seeing droves of players retire with gas left in the tank cause the knowledge of the impact of the game. We've seen players murder, commit suicide, and literally report on how their brains are mush because of the shots they took playing. Guys just weren't doing that (publicly anyway) until the last 4-5 years.

    I can't speak for what's inside the head of Ben, so I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong. But the dude has clearly seriously considered retiring before and would only be leaving one year of money if he left after this season. In that same "3-5 year" claim he made, he said the following: 

    "I'll still take it one year at a time and give it everything I have that one year," Roethlisberger added, "but that's what I felt comfortable in telling [the front office]."

    Calvin Johnson left in the prime of his career, and so have countless others lately. It's not crazy to think that even something "minor" might be the final nail in the coffin for the guy.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Yes, I know as I'm able to read but you're missing my point. Big Ben may not be going down like he used to, but the guy got destroyed for a decade. We're seeing droves of players retire with gas left in the tank cause the knowledge of the impact of the game. We've seen players murder, commit suicide, and literally report on how their brains are mush because of the shots they took playing. Guys just weren't doing that (publicly anyway) until the last 4-5 years.

    I can't speak for what's inside the head of Ben, so I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong. But the dude has clearly seriously considered retiring before and would only be leaving one year of money if he left after this season. In that same "3-5 year" claim he made, he said the following: 

    "I'll still take it one year at a time and give it everything I have that one year," Roethlisberger added, "but that's what I felt comfortable in telling [the front office]."

    Calvin Johnson left in the prime of his career, and so have countless others lately. It's not crazy to think that even something "minor" might be the final nail in the coffin for the guy.

    I understood your point. Ben hasn't been getting beat up for a while now however and his "one year at a time" quote was before Haley was gone. The minute Haley was out Ben said he wanted to go at least another 3 barring a major injury. He's obviously no spring chicken but he hasn't lost a step and with that line in place plus and the offensive skill positions he won't be retiring anytime soon. The team hit once again in the second round with James Washington. It's a spoil of riches offensively.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Yes, I know as I'm able to read but you're missing my point. Big Ben may not be going down like he used to, but the guy got destroyed for a decade. We're seeing droves of players retire with gas left in the tank cause the knowledge of the impact of the game. We've seen players murder, commit suicide, and literally report on how their brains are mush because of the shots they took playing. Guys just weren't doing that (publicly anyway) until the last 4-5 years.

    I can't speak for what's inside the head of Ben, so I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong. But the dude has clearly seriously considered retiring before and would only be leaving one year of money if he left after this season. In that same "3-5 year" claim he made, he said the following: 

    "I'll still take it one year at a time and give it everything I have that one year," Roethlisberger added, "but that's what I felt comfortable in telling [the front office]."

    Calvin Johnson left in the prime of his career, and so have countless others lately. It's not crazy to think that even something "minor" might be the final nail in the coffin for the guy.

    I understood your point. Ben hasn't been getting beat up for a while now however and his "one year at a time" quote was before Haley was gone. The minute Haley was out Ben said he wanted to go at least another 3 barring a major injury. He's obviously no spring chicken but he hasn't lost a step and with that line in place plus and the offensive skill positions he won't be retiring anytime soon. The team hit once again in the second round with James Washington. It's a spoil of riches offensively.

    @vagitron said:

    I understood your point. Ben hasn't been getting beat up for a while now however and his "one year at a time" quote was before Haley was gone. The minute Haley was out Ben said he wanted to go at least another 3 barring a major injury. He's obviously no spring chicken but he hasn't lost a step and with that line in place plus and the offensive skill positions he won't be retiring anytime soon. The team hit once again in the second round with James Washington. It's a spoil of riches offensively.

    You don’t know that They hit with James Washington you’re just hoping that. he could be the second coming of Vince Mayle

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yeah that’s OK BR can still play for now. But what we are waiting for is for 5-0 ? to take him out and basically end his career . In case you didn’t know 5-0is McGarrett

    He's gone against better ends than Garrett and hasnt been touched. I'm not saying he won't be sackes but our line is firmly one of the best in the league. How often do you think the Browns are going to pin their ears back and rush Ben? Brown, juju, Washington, bell (at least for this season) by all means send the farm and get torched.

    @vagitron said:

    He's gone against better ends than Garrett and hasnt been touched. I'm not saying he won't be sackes but our line is firmly one of the best in the league. How often do you think the Browns are going to pin their ears back and rush Ben? Brown, juju, Washington, bell (at least for this season) by all means send the farm and get torched.

    that is because he always? has a wr or te or back wide open to throw to quickly.

    that will change when they go up against the new Browns secondary.

  • Steelers Defense looked horrible.

    When Bud Dupree is your bright spot with a sack...you are bad.

    Looking forward to opening day!

  • Steelers Defense looked horrible.

    When Bud Dupree is your bright spot with a sack...you are bad.

    Looking forward to opening day!

    @kvoethe said:

    Steelers Defense looked horrible.

    When Bud Dupree is your bright spot with a sack...you are bad.

    Looking forward to opening day!

    Half the starters didn't even play.

  • @vagitron said:

    I understood your point. Ben hasn't been getting beat up for a while now however and his "one year at a time" quote was before Haley was gone. The minute Haley was out Ben said he wanted to go at least another 3 barring a major injury. He's obviously no spring chicken but he hasn't lost a step and with that line in place plus and the offensive skill positions he won't be retiring anytime soon. The team hit once again in the second round with James Washington. It's a spoil of riches offensively.

    You don’t know that They hit with James Washington you’re just hoping that. he could be the second coming of Vince Mayle

    @the-gipper said:

    You don’t know that They hit with James Washington you’re just hoping that. he could be the second coming of Vince Mayle

    I guess you will find out soon enough. Tearing Sheet up in camp and the preseason.

  • @kvoethe said:

    Steelers Defense looked horrible.

    When Bud Dupree is your bright spot with a sack...you are bad.

    Looking forward to opening day!

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    @vagitron said:

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    The half that did were terribad

  • @vagitron said:

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    The half that did were terribad

    @kvoethe said:

    The half that did were terribad

    Watt, haden, Heyward, Davis all didn't play and the starters that did play, played no where close to the entire half. We also had short field several times. I'm not worried about the defense.

  • @the-gipper said:

    They will not need to send the farm they just need to send Ogbah and McGarrett those two can handle it your offense of line. Now let’s here are the names of some of these “” better defense of lineman that the Steelers have played go ahead you said the claim now I’ll back it up

    McGarrett? Dude, he is a homosexual who is playing intermittently so he can get the hell out of Cleveland. I would put the odds at 50/50 that he has another ankle injury before opening day. He blows. Big, strong, fast Absolutely. However, he has the killer instinct of David Hogg. Honestly, he's a soft player. A homo. 

    @ghoolie said:

    McGarrett? Dude, he is a homosexual who is playing intermittently so he can get the hell out of Cleveland. I would put the odds at 50/50 that he has another ankle injury before opening day. He blows. Big, strong, fast Absolutely. However, he has the killer instinct of David Hogg. Honestly, he's a soft player. A homo. 

    Paxton Lynch

  • @the-gipper said:

    You don’t know that They hit with James Washington you’re just hoping that. he could be the second coming of Vince Mayle

    I guess you will find out soon enough. Tearing Sheet up in camp and the preseason.

    @vagitron said:

    I guess you will find out soon enough. Tearing Sheet up in camp and the preseason.

    Means nothing. Browns were 4-0 in preseason last year. Calloway will be better. 

  • @kvoethe said:

    The half that did were terribad

    Watt, haden, Heyward, Davis all didn't play and the starters that did play, played no where close to the entire half. We also had short field several times. I'm not worried about the defense.

    @vagitron said:

    Watt, haden, Heyward, Davis all didn't play and the starters that did play, played no where close to the entire half. We also had short field several times. I'm not worried about the defense.

    It won’t matter when the starters play. They will be just as bad 

  • @vagitron said:

    Watt, haden, Heyward, Davis all didn't play and the starters that did play, played no where close to the entire half. We also had short field several times. I'm not worried about the defense.

    It won’t matter when the starters play. They will be just as bad 

    @the-gipper said:

    It won’t matter when the starters play. They will be just as bad 

    OK. Lol

    Wanna bet on Calloway?

  • It seems like you've forgotten the Browns have won 1 game in 2 years when you talk about the two teams gipper. The same.can be said for your steeler predictions year after year.

    "This is the year you are in the gutter" - gipper 

    And thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • @kvoethe said:

    Steelers Defense looked horrible.

    When Bud Dupree is your bright spot with a sack...you are bad.

    Looking forward to opening day!

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    @vagitron said:

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    As the pit announcers said same with GB, much left to iron out in steelrz camp particularly on defense.

    On offense the steelrz are depending on an aging A Brown to have a stellar year, he missed some time last year.

  • @vagitron said:

    Half the starters didn't even play.

    As the pit announcers said same with GB, much left to iron out in steelrz camp particularly on defense.

    On offense the steelrz are depending on an aging A Brown to have a stellar year, he missed some time last year.

    @mjp28 said:

    As the pit announcers said same with GB, much left to iron out in steelrz camp particularly on defense.

    On offense the steelrz are depending on an aging A Brown to have a stellar year, he missed some time last year.

    I know I'm in hostile territory so I try to watch what I say excluding gipper BUT do you watch the steelers? The offense goes to brown a lot but juju was tremendous as a rookie and the team still has bell. The offense does not rely on Antonio.

    And literally nothing has indicated that brown is aging on the field. Reports are via training he's managed to get faster. The Steelers offense barring injury should be the most prolific in the league.

  • @mjp28 said:

    As the pit announcers said same with GB, much left to iron out in steelrz camp particularly on defense.

    On offense the steelrz are depending on an aging A Brown to have a stellar year, he missed some time last year.

    I know I'm in hostile territory so I try to watch what I say excluding gipper BUT do you watch the steelers? The offense goes to brown a lot but juju was tremendous as a rookie and the team still has bell. The offense does not rely on Antonio.

    And literally nothing has indicated that brown is aging on the field. Reports are via training he's managed to get faster. The Steelers offense barring injury should be the most prolific in the league.

    @vagitron said:

    I know I'm in hostile territory so I try to watch what I say excluding gipper BUT do you watch the steelers? The offense goes to brown a lot but juju was tremendous as a rookie and the team still has bell. The offense does not rely on Antonio.

    I've had A. Brown on my FL teams the last two years a real instant offense right up until he missed a few games in 2017. He actually peaked in 2014 or 2015 and is entering season 9 this year my favorite GOAT WR was Jerry Rice and he was good until year 11 and never caught double digit TDS again. Sure juju is exciting but Ben is 36, Bell is a great RB but still a RB. Well see.......

     
      Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch APYd Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       115 88 1107 733 9910 13.5 59 79 6.4 86.2   31 119 0 16 3.8 1.0 0.3 997 12961 13.0 10029 59 15 92
    2010 22 PIT   84 9 0 19 16 167 10.4 0 26 1.8 18.6 84.2%               52 674 13.0 167 0 1 2
    2011* 23 PIT wr 84 16 3 124 69 1108 16.1 2 79 4.3 69.3 55.6% 7 41 0 10 5.9 2.6 0.4 133 2211 16.6 1149 2 0 10
    2012 24 PIT WR 84 13 10 106 66 787 11.9 5 60 5.1 60.5 62.3% 7 24 0 13 3.4 1.8 0.5 100 994 9.9 811 5 4 6
    2013* 25 PIT WR 84 16 14 167 110 1499 13.6 8 56 6.9 93.7 65.9% 7 4 0 10 0.6 0.3 0.4 150 1928 12.9 1503 8 1 14
    2014*+ 26 PIT WR 84 16 16 181 129 1698 13.2 13 63 8.1 106.1 71.3% 4 13 0 9 3.3 0.8 0.3 164 2030 12.4 1711 13 2 16
    2015*+ 27 PIT WR 84 16 16 193 136 1834 13.5 10 59 8.5 114.6 70.5% 3 28 0 16 9.3 1.8 0.2 161 2074 12.9 1862 10 3 17
    2016*+ 28 PIT WR 84 15 15 154 106 1284 12.1 12 51 7.1 85.6 68.8% 3 9 0 13 3.0 0.6 0.2 125 1456 11.6 1293 12 0 12
    2017*+ 29 PIT WR 84 14 14 163 101 1533 15.2 9 57 7.2 109.5 62.0%               112 1594 14.2 1533 9 4 15
  • @vagitron said:

    I know I'm in hostile territory so I try to watch what I say excluding gipper BUT do you watch the steelers? The offense goes to brown a lot but juju was tremendous as a rookie and the team still has bell. The offense does not rely on Antonio.

    I've had A. Brown on my FL teams the last two years a real instant offense right up until he missed a few games in 2017. He actually peaked in 2014 or 2015 and is entering season 9 this year my favorite GOAT WR was Jerry Rice and he was good until year 11 and never caught double digit TDS again. Sure juju is exciting but Ben is 36, Bell is a great RB but still a RB. Well see.......

     
      Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch APYd Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       115 88 1107 733 9910 13.5 59 79 6.4 86.2   31 119 0 16 3.8 1.0 0.3 997 12961 13.0 10029 59 15 92
    2010 22 PIT   84 9 0 19 16 167 10.4 0 26 1.8 18.6 84.2%               52 674 13.0 167 0 1 2
    2011* 23 PIT wr 84 16 3 124 69 1108 16.1 2 79 4.3 69.3 55.6% 7 41 0 10 5.9 2.6 0.4 133 2211 16.6 1149 2 0 10
    2012 24 PIT WR 84 13 10 106 66 787 11.9 5 60 5.1 60.5 62.3% 7 24 0 13 3.4 1.8 0.5 100 994 9.9 811 5 4 6
    2013* 25 PIT WR 84 16 14 167 110 1499 13.6 8 56 6.9 93.7 65.9% 7 4 0 10 0.6 0.3 0.4 150 1928 12.9 1503 8 1 14
    2014*+ 26 PIT WR 84 16 16 181 129 1698 13.2 13 63 8.1 106.1 71.3% 4 13 0 9 3.3 0.8 0.3 164 2030 12.4 1711 13 2 16
    2015*+ 27 PIT WR 84 16 16 193 136 1834 13.5 10 59 8.5 114.6 70.5% 3 28 0 16 9.3 1.8 0.2 161 2074 12.9 1862 10 3 17
    2016*+ 28 PIT WR 84 15 15 154 106 1284 12.1 12 51 7.1 85.6 68.8% 3 9 0 13 3.0 0.6 0.2 125 1456 11.6 1293 12 0 12
    2017*+ 29 PIT WR 84 14 14 163 101 1533 15.2 9 57 7.2 109.5 62.0%               112 1594 14.2 1533 9 4 15

    @mjp28 said:

    I've had A. Brown on my FL teams the last two years a real instant offense right up until he missed a few games in 2017. He actually peaked in 2014 and is entering season 9 this year my favorite GOAT WR was Jerry Rice and he peaked in year 11 and never caught double digit TDS again. Sure juju is exciting but Ben is 36, Bell is a great RB but still a RB. Well see.......

     
      Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch APYd Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       115 88 1107 733 9910 13.5 59 79 6.4 86.2   31 119 0 16 3.8 1.0 0.3 997 12961 13.0 10029 59 15 92
    2010 22 PIT   84 9 0 19 16 167 10.4 0 26 1.8 18.6 84.2%               52 674 13.0 167 0 1 2
    2011* 23 PIT wr 84 16 3 124 69 1108 16.1 2 79 4.3 69.3 55.6% 7 41 0 10 5.9 2.6 0.4 133 2211 16.6 1149 2 0 10
    2012 24 PIT WR 84 13 10 106 66 787 11.9 5 60 5.1 60.5 62.3% 7 24 0 13 3.4 1.8 0.5 100 994 9.9 811 5 4 6
    2013* 25 PIT WR 84 16 14 167 110 1499 13.6 8 56 6.9 93.7 65.9% 7 4 0 10 0.6 0.3 0.4 150 1928 12.9 1503 8 1 14
    2014*+ 26 PIT WR 84 16 16 181 129 1698 13.2 13 63 8.1 106.1 71.3% 4 13 0 9 3.3 0.8 0.3 164 2030 12.4 1711 13 2 16
    2015*+ 27 PIT WR 84 16 16 193 136 1834 13.5 10 59 8.5 114.6 70.5% 3 28 0 16 9.3 1.8 0.2 161 2074 12.9 1862 10 3 17
    2016*+ 28 PIT WR 84 15 15 154 106 1284 12.1 12 51 7.1 85.6 68.8% 3 9 0 13 3.0 0.6 0.2 125 1456 11.6 1293 12 0 12
    2017*+ 29 PIT WR 84 14 14 163 101 1533 15.2 9 57 7.2 109.5 62.0%               112 1594 14.2 1533 9 4 15

    You realize he had 1834 yards in 2015 right? And if not for the hit that took him out last season was on a mvp pace. Brown ain't slowing down.

  • @mjp28 said:

    I've had A. Brown on my FL teams the last two years a real instant offense right up until he missed a few games in 2017. He actually peaked in 2014 and is entering season 9 this year my favorite GOAT WR was Jerry Rice and he peaked in year 11 and never caught double digit TDS again. Sure juju is exciting but Ben is 36, Bell is a great RB but still a RB. Well see.......

     
      Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch APYd Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       115 88 1107 733 9910 13.5 59 79 6.4 86.2   31 119 0 16 3.8 1.0 0.3 997 12961 13.0 10029 59 15 92
    2010 22 PIT   84 9 0 19 16 167 10.4 0 26 1.8 18.6 84.2%               52 674 13.0 167 0 1 2
    2011* 23 PIT wr 84 16 3 124 69 1108 16.1 2 79 4.3 69.3 55.6% 7 41 0 10 5.9 2.6 0.4 133 2211 16.6 1149 2 0 10
    2012 24 PIT WR 84 13 10 106 66 787 11.9 5 60 5.1 60.5 62.3% 7 24 0 13 3.4 1.8 0.5 100 994 9.9 811 5 4 6
    2013* 25 PIT WR 84 16 14 167 110 1499 13.6 8 56 6.9 93.7 65.9% 7 4 0 10 0.6 0.3 0.4 150 1928 12.9 1503 8 1 14
    2014*+ 26 PIT WR 84 16 16 181 129 1698 13.2 13 63 8.1 106.1 71.3% 4 13 0 9 3.3 0.8 0.3 164 2030 12.4 1711 13 2 16
    2015*+ 27 PIT WR 84 16 16 193 136 1834 13.5 10 59 8.5 114.6 70.5% 3 28 0 16 9.3 1.8 0.2 161 2074 12.9 1862 10 3 17
    2016*+ 28 PIT WR 84 15 15 154 106 1284 12.1 12 51 7.1 85.6 68.8% 3 9 0 13 3.0 0.6 0.2 125 1456 11.6 1293 12 0 12
    2017*+ 29 PIT WR 84 14 14 163 101 1533 15.2 9 57 7.2 109.5 62.0%               112 1594 14.2 1533 9 4 15

    You realize he had 1834 yards in 2015 right? And if not for the hit that took him out last season was on a mvp pace. Brown ain't slowing down.

    @vagitron said:

    You realize he had 1834 yards in 2015 right? And if not for the hit that took him out last season was on a mvp pace. Brown ain't slowing down.

    I think he maybe at the end of his great years now who knows one or maybe two good years left? Plus Ben is a big part of everything he has to stay healthy......who is their #2 QB?