To dez, or not to dez

wargograw

Yes yes yes.

The Gipper

@clevfan4life said:

we missed gordon in the redzone tonight. That small forward at wr tgat can outjump everyone. Landry's unguardable everywhere else but in the zone, we need more physicality. I know gordons coming back, but it would be nice to have both until we know if we got the old gordon or not.

plus deep sets with dez and gordon would be sick

Njoku and DeValve should be our redzone (at least 5 yard line and in) go to guys.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

Njoku and DeValve should be our redzone (at least 5 yard line and in) go to guys.

And throw in Landry with TT or BM and call the PAT team.

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

And throw in Landry with TT or BM and call the PAT team.

Well...all the attempts to get the ball to Landry down there failed last night.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

Well...all the attempts to get the ball to Landry down there failed last night.

With an NFL record 400 catches in his first four years I don't think that will be a problem.

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	APYd	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career				64	57	570	400	4038	10.1	22	71	6.3	63.1		26	119	1	22	4.6	1.9	0.4	562	6231	11.1	4157	23	14	33
2014	22	MIA	WR	14	16	11	112	84	758	9.0	5	25	5.3	47.4	75.0%	2	-4	0	4	-2.0	-0.3	0.1	145	1912	13.2	754	5	7	7
2015*	23	MIA	WR	14	16	14	166	110	1157	10.5	4	50	6.9	72.3	66.3%	18	113	1	22	6.3	7.1	1.1	177	1947	11.0	1270	5	1	9
2016*	24	MIA	WR	14	16	16	131	94	1136	12.1	4	71	5.9	71.0	71.8%	5	17	0	13	3.4	1.1	0.3	115	1316	11.4	1153	4	2	10
2017*	25	MIA	WR	14	16	16	161	112	987	8.8	9	49	7.0	61.7	69.6%	1	-7	0	-7	-7.0	-0.4	0.1	125	1056	8.4	980	9	4	7

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

With an NFL record 400 catches in his first four years I don't think that will be a problem.

Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch APYd Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career 64 57 570 400 4038 10.1 22 71 6.3 63.1 26 119 1 22 4.6 1.9 0.4 562 6231 11.1 4157 23 14 33
2014 22 MIA WR 14 16 11 112 84 758 9.0 5 25 5.3 47.4 75.0% 2 -4 0 4 -2.0 -0.3 0.1 145 1912 13.2 754 5 7 7
2015* 23 MIA WR 14 16 14 166 110 1157 10.5 4 50 6.9 72.3 66.3% 18 113 1 22 6.3 7.1 1.1 177 1947 11.0 1270 5 1 9
2016* 24 MIA WR 14 16 16 131 94 1136 12.1 4 71 5.9 71.0 71.8% 5 17 0 13 3.4 1.1 0.3 115 1316 11.4 1153 4 2 10
2017* 25 MIA WR 14 16 16 161 112 987 8.8 9 49 7.0 61.7 69.6% 1 -7 0 -7 -7.0 -0.4 0.1 125 1056 8.4 980 9 4 7

I would hope not...though...except for last year, his TD totals not all that impressive.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

I would hope not...though...except for last year, his TD totals not all that impressive.

Yes he has been more of a possession move the chains guy, hopefully he will be a more important role with the still somewhat unsettled WR BROWNS team.

Flash - long guy, Landry/Johnson the short, in between guys.

Dutch Oven

@the-gipper said:

Well...all the attempts to get the ball to Landry down there failed last night.

I'm not sure their is a football team on Earth worse at throwing fades than the Browns, regardless of who is throwing them.

LBC mike

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Tour2ma

I vote "not to"...

mjp28

@tour2ma said:

I vote "not to"...

Does "the dez" operate on three year cycles?

....Bryant is coming off three down seasons after registering at least 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns in three straight campaigns from 2012-2014.....

What a conundrum for the BROWNS, what do you offer and hope for with this dude? I think he's definitely in the Prima Donna class.

Westside Steve

Will he accept the low offer? Will he accept his position as last man up? Can Callaway and Gordon keep their noses clean?

WSS

Kvoethe

He could be just doing what the last few FA have done...come..get paid...do nothing before you retire.

Im sure veterans around the league were salivating until dorsey showed up

gumby73

@mjp28 said:

Does "the dez" operate on three year cycles?

I think he's definitely in the Prima Donna class.

Classic Mike Singletary has been working on 3 year cycles..

Now a LB coach at Rams..Take Dez off the list in LA

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

Does "the dez" operate on three year cycles?

....Bryant is coming off three down seasons after registering at least 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns in three straight campaigns from 2012-2014.....

What a conundrum for the BROWNS, what do you offer and hope for with this dude? I think he's definitely in the Prima Donna class.

Browns offered what they felt was market value for Dez- (one year, less than $5 million) he obviously wants a lot more... shades of Terrell Pryor. Said it a bunch of times, Bryant will bide his time until a (playoff level) team has an injury to their #1 or #2 wr, and cash in. Mentioned the Jets have doo-doo at wr, and they haven't been talking to Dez.

Kvoethe

Jags will be callin him. Damn that was gruesome.

Flugel

@mjp28 said:

Does "the dez" operate on three year cycles?

....Bryant is coming off three down seasons after registering at least 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns in three straight campaigns from 2012-2014.....

What a conundrum for the BROWNS, what do you offer and hope for with this dude? I think he's definitely in the Prima Donna class.

Prima Donna or Pre-Madonnna? I'll take Pre-Madonna because all that work that went into her performance led to a lot of success in the entertainment industry.

1 thing people forget about Dez is what he's overcome to get to the pro football level in the first place. I remember reading his mother was working the streets to support her drug habit. At 17, she got knocked up by a 39 year old guy in between prison sentences. Talk about Meet the Parent or Meet the Fockers - here's the real version of it.

Just getting to high school and past it showed this kid had some strengths. Then he gets to college and made himself a 1st round talent (albeit with some inevitable baggage the right NFL owner helped him control). I could be wrong here but Jerruh Jones was the first father figure he's had. The blessing of it all is his football talent gave him goals and wealth he didn't need to look to the streets for. Even better, he found the guidance.

So, is he good for us at this point? I think he's lost a step or 2 BUT I was surprised to see he still led his team with 69 rec for 838 yards and 6 TD in what he considers forgettable football. Now, he feels he has a point to prove. If he brings that mission to the right place where he's facing 2nd or 3rd corners - it wouldn't take that much to change my mind about adding him here. I'm reading there's still some intrigue and temptation.

mjp28

What the dez has dealt with or overcome might be quite admirable but is it enough to make a good sound business decision to bring him onboard.

Again I'll defer to the new BROWNS brain trust and their inside information or just gut feel to make that call.

Flugel

@mjp28 said:

What the dez has dealt with or overcome might be quite admirable but is it enough to make a good sound business decision to bring him onboard.

Again I'll defer to the new BROWNS brain trust and their inside information or just gut feel to make that call.

Me too. I just listed some reasons why I could understand why there's still some intrigue and temptation despite my first of thought of Hell no! Hopefully they made sense.

Dutch Oven

@flugel said:

Me too. I just listed some reasons why I could understand why there's still some intrigue and temptation despite my first of thought of Hell no! Hopefully they made sense.

Because Gordon and Callaway on the roster isn't enough potential for drama?