Trade for Khalil Mack
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BULLSHIDT I told you earlier in this thread, the Fahking Browns were never in the hunt. They never will acquire top free agents nor will they draft top playmakers.
This is a schidt team and a schidt Franchise.
I am wearing a Leveon Bell shirt to the Browns Backers opening day game. THe Browns blow.
You are simply wrong. They had a multiple pick / player offer being negotiated for days last week. There was another circumstance last week that likely reduced some of our flexibilty on the package. Ultimately it ended up boiling down to someone offering two first rounders AND being outside the AFC. As far as what you “ told us earlier”, you throw a LOT of sh!t at the wall. Some of it’s bound to stick. What sticks is all you seem to remember which is why I somewhat fondly nicknamed you Nostradumbass last year LOL. Relative to your attire for the game I seriously think you should consider meds to smooth out your rollercoaster. Not sure if that’s antidepressants , estrogen or both.
You are simply wrong. They had a multiple pick / player offer being negotiated for days last week. There was another circumstance last week that likely reduced some of our flexibilty on the package. Ultimately it ended up boiling down to someone offering two first rounders AND being outside the AFC. As far as what you “ told us earlier”, you throw a LOT of sh!t at the wall. Some of it’s bound to stick. What sticks is all you seem to remember which is why I somewhat fondly nicknamed you Nostradumbass last year LOL. Relative to your attire for the game I seriously think you should consider meds to smooth out your rollercoaster. Not sure if that’s antidepressants , estrogen or both.
always great analytics for why the Browns always get beat at the last.minute eh?
C H E A P
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Reports are Oakland has made no progress on contract talks and he is likely to miss regular season games. If we can get him under long term would you give Ogbah and a 2nd round pick for him? I certainly would. Our D would be legendary status. Would that be enough to get it done with Gruden?
1) We're not trading Ogbah, why would you want to trade a guy on his rookie contract for someone who apparently wants a $21 million dollar cap busting deal?
2) We're not giving up a first round pick either. The Browns aren't one player away from the Super Bowl.
3) Chuckie is smart enough he's going to demand max value for Mack if he can't get him to agree to a long term deal
4) There's already a Mack thread, I'm going to merge it.
2) We're not giving up a first round pick either. The Browns aren't one player away from the Super Bowl
The Browns aren't even one player away from being able to Beat a good Canadian team.
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Bittersweet! I had lofty visions OF Mack and Garrett, but oh well! Play ball indeed. (please stay healthy Garrett).
We saw Garrett play a healthy half and absolutely destroy the Super Bowl Champs in a meaningless preseason game against a solid backup LT. When asked about the game, Garrett made an interesting point, and he said playing one half is fun, but playing the SECOND half is really where it starts to get good because you can execute the moves you've been setting up and the lineman begins to tire. Garrett's conditioning is second to none in the DE world. He stays healthy and he's going to have some games where he puts up scary numbers. That being said, even having one dominant DE isn't enough. Teams can try to plan against him. We won't be a stellar defense unless Ogbah and Avery can take advantage of the massive attention on Garrett.
Keep an eye on Genard Avery this year, especially on obvious passing downs. Gregg likes to kick Ogbah inside, and Avery will basically be a standing defensive end opposite Garrett. Ogunjobi would likely be the other DT, and he's excellent at penetration. Guys, that's a legit arsenal.
Ya, Williams is high on Avery. I'm not one to get excited about 5th round picks ... But don't you feel that Avery in the 5th round was exactly what they wanted form Mingo at #7 overall many years ago. Could be a huge steal for John Dorsey who will never buy a drink in Cleveland again if we go 8-8 this year.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, Williams is high on Avery. I'm not one to get excited about 5th round picks ... But don't you feel that Avery in the 5th round was exactly what they wanted form Mingo at #7 overall many years ago. Could be a huge steal for John Dorsey who will never buy a drink in Cleveland again if we go 8-8 this year.
Zombo
That's a fair point about Mingo, although they wanted that and much more from such a lofty pick. Keep in mind that draft was utterly awful for many teams, but I remember saying (screaming) "WTF WTF" after our selection of Mingo was announced. What we WANTED was a vaunted speed edge rusher. What we got was someone who had speed and little else. Speed is nice but tackles are generally too good to get beaten by one move consistently. Mingo didn't really have anything else to offer. Avery on the other hand is more of a bowling ball type player and plays with awesome leverage and center of gravity due to his super compact frame and leg strength. Not only that, but Avery is now in an NFL strength program, and he's going to get extremely powerful. Players that come into the league with his type of power generally get stronger very quickly with the introduction of NFL level nutrition, strength science, and the year round state of the game. That, and he obviously doesn't have class and he's also reaching his peak of being a man.
You ever wonder why you don't see many stud freshman defensive and offensive linemen? It's because they aren't men yet. Even a physical freak like Myles Garrett is much stronger after a year in the league. Once you get the benefit of the NFL conditioning treatment, a player can typically get much stronger in just a year. Avery might just "flash" a few games this year, but I'd keep an eye on him next season. Mingo never had the frame or body style to be both fast and strong. It just wasn't going to happen. Speed is terrific, but speed without power and skill at DE is of little use. You guys notice what Myles Garrett's best move is? It's not his insane speed rush. Myles makes the majority of his plays by pushing his blocker directly into the pocket, and Myles looks even stronger this year, not to mention healthy.
Speaking of healthy, I should mention that it was about this exact time last year when we all got the phone alert saying Myles suffered a freak high ankle sprain. Just days before our first game against the very same opponent. It should be noted that I'll be in a mental hospital if that happens again.
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Zombo said:
Ya, Williams is high on Avery. I'm not one to get excited about 5th round picks ... But don't you feel that Avery in the 5th round was exactly what they wanted form Mingo at #7 overall many years ago. Could be a huge steal for John Dorsey who will never buy a drink in Cleveland again if we go 8-8 this year.
Zombo
That's a fair point about Mingo, although they wanted that and much more from such a lofty pick. Keep in mind that draft was utterly awful for many teams, but I remember saying (screaming) "WTF WTF" after our selection of Mingo was announced. What we WANTED was a vaunted speed edge rusher. What we got was someone who had speed and little else. Speed is nice but tackles are generally too good to get beaten by one move consistently. Mingo didn't really have anything else to offer. Avery on the other hand is more of a bowling ball type player and plays with awesome leverage and center of gravity due to his super compact frame and leg strength. Not only that, but Avery is now in an NFL strength program, and he's going to get extremely powerful. Players that come into the league with his type of power generally get stronger very quickly with the introduction of NFL level nutrition, strength science, and the year round state of the game. That, and he obviously doesn't have class and he's also reaching his peak of being a man.
You ever wonder why you don't see many stud freshman defensive and offensive linemen? It's because they aren't men yet. Even a physical freak like Myles Garrett is much stronger after a year in the league. Once you get the benefit of the NFL conditioning treatment, a player can typically get much stronger in just a year. Avery might just "flash" a few games this year, but I'd keep an eye on him next season. Mingo never had the frame or body style to be both fast and strong. It just wasn't going to happen. Speed is terrific, but speed without power and skill at DE is of little use. You guys notice what Myles Garrett's best move is? It's not his insane speed rush. Myles makes the majority of his plays by pushing his blocker directly into the pocket, and Myles looks even stronger this year, not to mention healthy.
Speaking of healthy, I should mention that it was about this exact time last year when we all got the phone alert saying Myles suffered a freak high ankle sprain. Just days before our first game against the very same opponent. It should be noted that I'll be in a mental hospital if that happens again.
Speaking of healthy, I should mention that it was about this exact time last year when we all got the phone alert saying Myles suffered a freak high ankle sprain. Just days before our first game against the very same opponent..
Are crazy bringing that up? Wrap him bubble wrap and push him around in a cart until gametime.
Zombo
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Speaking of healthy, I should mention that it was about this exact time last year when we all got the phone alert saying Myles suffered a freak high ankle sprain. Just days before our first game against the very same opponent..
Are crazy bringing that up? Wrap him bubble wrap and push him around in a cart until gametime.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Are crazy bringing that up? Wrap him bubble wrap and push him around in a cart until gametime.
Zombo
Oh yes the very nature of professional tackle football and the who stays healthy and who doesn't lottery. Survival football for real.
I remember one year way back....hey were old.....4th quarter of preseason game when the starting quarterback threw a pick and got pizzed and tried to blast the guy out of bounds, blew out a knee.....out.
After that they started pulling out the starters more, you never know.
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myles torqued that ankle early in TC didn't he?
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this is a bad trade for both teams.
Bad for the raiders because, despite the two firsts which dont know if they will be 5 or 25, you send the wrong message to your fans as an organization. Now I know that doesnt win games, but this is a business after all. The "what good are draft picks if the point of draft picks is to hope you get a player like mack" I sorta get, but it's more complicated than that. Obviously you have to look at the cap issues. 1st round draft picks for 4 years are cheaper....although this is highly dependent on where you are drafting- check out the cap hit on a 5th year option for a very high pick. It's ummm...up there.
Bad for the bears because mack pretty much has to be a truly amazing player the next 3-4 years for this to be worth it. He has to be 2016 good. Which is possibe, but it's more likely he plays like a really good player and not the absolute best defensive player in the nfl
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this is a bad trade for both teams.
Bad for the raiders because, despite the two firsts which dont know if they will be 5 or 25, you send the wrong message to your fans as an organization. Now I know that doesnt win games, but this is a business after all. The "what good are draft picks if the point of draft picks is to hope you get a player like mack" I sorta get, but it's more complicated than that. Obviously you have to look at the cap issues. 1st round draft picks for 4 years are cheaper....although this is highly dependent on where you are drafting- check out the cap hit on a 5th year option for a very high pick. It's ummm...up there.
Bad for the bears because mack pretty much has to be a truly amazing player the next 3-4 years for this to be worth it. He has to be 2016 good. Which is possibe, but it's more likely he plays like a really good player and not the absolute best defensive player in the nfl
this is a bad trade for both teams.
Bad for the raiders because, despite the two firsts which dont know if they will be 5 or 25, you send the wrong message to your fans as an organization. Now I know that doesnt win games, but this is a business after all. The "what good are draft picks if the point of draft picks is to hope you get a player like mack" I sorta get, but it's more complicated than that. Obviously you have to look at the cap issues. 1st round draft picks for 4 years are cheaper....although this is highly dependent on where you are drafting- check out the cap hit on a 5th year option for a very high pick. It's ummm...up there.
Bad for the bears because mack pretty much has to be a truly amazing player the next 3-4 years for this to be worth it. He has to be 2016 good. Which is possibe, but it's more likely he plays like a really good player and not the absolute best defensive player in the nfl
I think that the Raiders up and leaving Oakland for Vegas was message enough for their fans, showing that they don't give a shite about them....only about the money they can make.
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