Trade for Khalil Mack
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Hey fellas, long time no post.
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get." True. Could get a great player, or could get Gilbert. Maybe not at 8, but it's not like Gilbert was going to be a low pick, he still would have been a 1st rounder. I did see him as a bust because of his skills, but that is beside the point.
Mack IS PROVEN. As in Defensive Player of the year proven.
I am not talking about the guys who are saying something about his salary, even though you get what you pay for, again DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.
I'm talking about people who cover picks more than proven. If Mack were in the past draft with his tape from NFL, it wouldn't have been a question on #1. But but but, the LT from Alabama COULD be good
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get."
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
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This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get."
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what. Of course the contract plays into it. That isnt my beef. Mine is with exactly what I wrote, cant do this because X could be there and could be good.
I dont believe any team has ever drafted someone especially high and said, yea we took him because he isnt going to be good. Raiders thought Russell was their future, Browns with Gilbert, and Patriots didn't draft Brady to be best QB of all time.
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u cant sign a guy who breaks ur cap situation when u have young players like we do that will have to be paid. Him alone isnt taking us to the playoffs. Ill revisit this idea after this season when we know where we're at. If we get a real good look at the playoffs, unlikely, but if we do we can consider signing him cause we wont have that high a draft pick anyway.
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And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what. Of course the contract plays into it. That isnt my beef. Mine is with exactly what I wrote, cant do this because X could be there and could be good.
I dont believe any team has ever drafted someone especially high and said, yea we took him because he isnt going to be good. Raiders thought Russell was their future, Browns with Gilbert, and Patriots didn't draft Brady to be best QB of all time.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
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I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That is exactly what I have been saying
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....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That is exactly what I have been saying
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I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent.
there's nothing wrong with that unless the talent wants cap imploding money and said talent doesn't get this "current" team deep into the playoffs. For 21m that's a "piece" that gets us "home". As I said, for 15 or 16m....I would consider it. But not now, I would need a better idea of where this team is. If the defense isn't "close"...we're paying 21m and wrecking our ability to sign current talent, for a guy that's just gonna give the fans a few highlight sacks but get us nowhere in the rankings. That's not worth it, as much as I love Khalil mack...it isn't worth it.
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I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That's you're fallacy- You don't pay Kahlil Mack $21 million unless you think he's taking you to the Super Bowl. Just look back at NFL history. Name me one defensive player (other than Reggie White) FA who fits that description. Suh couldn't do it in Miami- so Mack is a sure shot in Cleveland? Not iMHO.
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....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That's you're fallacy- You don't pay Kahlil Mack $21 million unless you think he's taking you to the Super Bowl. Just look back at NFL history. Name me one defensive player (other than Reggie White) FA who fits that description. Suh couldn't do it in Miami- so Mack is a sure shot in Cleveland? Not iMHO.
That's you're fallacy- You don't pay Kahlil Mack $21 million unless
I happen to agree with that. A team certainly cannot have every position paid at the top of the market value. I'm just sayin' that a draft pick is a token that you put in a slot machine in April. (at least that's how it's been for us). Whereas trading a draft pick for Landry takes the slot machine out of the equation. Although his bill will come due next year.
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Heard on Fox Sports the rumors are the Raiders want two first round picks for Mack- which means they're really not interested in trading him. We'll see how serious he is when he starts missing game checks.
Was also posited him and Aaron Donald are waiting it out to see who gets paid first to set the market. But IMHO that was already done when Suh broke the bank in Miami. I'd like to believe teams wised up after that fiasco.
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Heard on Fox Sports the rumors are the Raiders want two first round picks for Mack- which means they're really not interested in trading him. We'll see how serious he is when he starts missing game checks.
Was also posited him and Aaron Donald are waiting it out to see who gets paid first to set the market. But IMHO that was already done when Suh broke the bank in Miami. I'd like to believe teams wised up after that fiasco.
Heard on Fox Sports the rumors are the Raiders want two first round picks for Mack- which means they're really not interested in trading him. We'll see how serious he is when he starts missing game checks.
Was also posited him and Aaron Donald are waiting it out to see who gets paid first to set the market. But IMHO that was already done when Suh broke the bank in Miami. I'd like to believe teams wised up after that fiasco.
Well I doubt anyone wised up. Just liked Flacco set the market, and now guys are getting close to double. Contracts have just gone up, so has the cap.
Suh isnt a great example either. Because he could be even more valuable if he focused just on doing his best playing on the field. His antics have cost him money. And Donald is quite a bit better than him
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Heard on Fox Sports the rumors are the Raiders want two first round picks for Mack- which means they're really not interested in trading him. We'll see how serious he is when he starts missing game checks.
Was also posited him and Aaron Donald are waiting it out to see who gets paid first to set the market. But IMHO that was already done when Suh broke the bank in Miami. I'd like to believe teams wised up after that fiasco.
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...for one of the eleven guys who tackle people.
right. u go after a guy like that either in the draft or in FA where u know he's coming cause he wants to play here and not being strongarmed by a team thats saying if u want out its gonna have to be to these huckleberries who are fixin to.give us 2 1st rounders. no uh uh no way
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So you're saying there's a chance?
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Khalil-Mack-trade-Browns-121224306/
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"The inclusion of a player like defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah or Collins might make the deal more intriguing for Oakland as well."
ooooooooo, not sure about a 1st rounder AND collins.....but ogbah? yup. And if they can frontload tgat contract so that they're cleared up better when other guys come due.......mmmmm, man thats making me think
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