The Le'Veon Bell watch continues......... oh yeah, the soap opera goes on.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

You are talking out of your butt. The Steelers aren't cheap. Art II has the team and he's been around a long butt time. The Steelers don't really mess too much with hold outs, look what happened when Hines tried the same and bell cannot get a nickel more from the steelers until AFTER the season so holding out now doesn't guarantee him anything more.

Right....they don't mess around with holdouts. HInes holds out, Bell holds out. etc. Meaning that they are too CHEAP to sign their top players to top contracts, except maybe BR. And just because Art II has the team and has been around a long time does not mean he commands the respect of the players. By all accounts, despite having a short tenure, Al Lerner had all kinds of respect from his team (coaches/players/GMs etc.) Just because the Dad has the respect does not mean the son does too......see Randy Lerner. Do you think that Mike Brown has garnered the same kind of respect as Paul Brown did? Not on your life. Sometimes, sure, it works the other way: Jim Irsay, despite his substance issues, has more respect than old man Robert Irsay did. I doubt that the Hunt kid or kids had the same as Dad Lamar. The Bidwill Boys probably have more respect than the old man Bill Bidwill did. And I don't think that his sister has garnered near the same kind of respect from the players that Eddie DeBartolo Jr. had. Respect does NOT automatically become inherited.

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@choco said:

that $33m was not fully guaranteed

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1019324630425915394?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1019324630425915394%7Ctwgr%5E373939313b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/7/18/17585956/leveon-bell-contract-steelers-offer-guaranteed-money-free-agency

funny how you know very little about your team...

I'm fully aware, the steelers also restructure a lot which is favorable to the player. Rapoport also talks out of his butt A LOT. Did you forget to read the "rolling guaranteed" portion of that tweet from Mr. WRONG LOT? Gurley's contract is structured in a similar manner.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

So, they need to release the tag. But, if they release the tag, then can they not trade him for whatever? Even the third rounder they would get in comp?

Or would he become a complete FA? As for him just signing and him being fine....you are not getting my point: what if they don't want him there now anymore?

If he signs the tag, and he reports, then MUST they trade him for only the 2 1st round picks? Which for him, a 27 year old, possibly run down RB, is way to big of a load for any team.

They dont need to do anything. He signs the tag or he reports week 10. Every game he misses prior to week 10 he gives up nearly 900k. If he doesn't report he loses the season and it messes with his free agency status. The Steelers never negotiate contracts in season, never. It has zero to do with being cheap.

I'd take the two firsts in a heart beat but I don't believe a team offers it.

As far as rooney is concerned you talk out of your a$$ a lot. Bell is being greedy, he's the only one. It has zero to do with player respect for ownership. You should apply for a media position you drum up bs better than a dung beetle. Art II was in control of the team long before Dan rooney passed away.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

I'm fully aware, the steelers also restructure a lot which is favorable to the player. Rapoport also talks out of his butt A LOT. Did you forget to read the "rolling guaranteed" portion of that tweet from Mr. WRONG LOT?

So, anyone that says anything rightly critical of the Squealers talks out of their butt? Is that all we are going to get from you this year?

"You are talking out of your butt"

How do you know, unless you are down there sniffing our butts?

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

So, anyone that says anything rightly critical of the Squealers talks out of their butt? Is that all we are going to get from you this year?

"You are talking out of your butt"

"You are talking out of your butt"

"You are talking out of your butt"

How do you know, unless you are down there sniffing our butts?

You completely made up an issue with ownership. A complete and total fabrication based on nothing but your desire to type it out. I'm talking about ONLY that portion of your post. You do it allllllllllllllllllllllllll the time.

Art II has been an owner since 2003.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

They dont need to do anything. He signs the tag or he reports week 10. Every game he misses prior to week 10 he gives up nearly 900k. If he doesn't report he loses the season and it messes with his free agency status. The Steelers never negotiate contracts in season, never. It has zero to do with being cheap.

Oh, you poor, deluded child. They are cheap (but that does not mean I think they are wrong on this)

I'd take the two firsts in a heart beat but I don't believe a team offers it.

Sure, anyone would.....but I agree no one would offer that.

As far as rooney is concerned you talk out of your a$$ a lot.

No, you are clueless, as usual. Blind, really. and thee you go again sticking your nose in my arse. How does it smell?

Bell is being greedy, he's the only one.

I doubt he is the only one, just the only one that has taken it to this extent.

It has zero to do with player respect for ownership.

You completely have NO clue about human nature. Bell wants X dollars, Art II doesn't want to give it to him. Bell whines, complains, holds out, refuses to report. Art says, too bad, no soup for you. Do you REALLY think that Bell would NOT lose respect for Steeler ownership (even if he is misguided?) If , so, again, I say you do not understand human nature. I am in the human nature business, you sell like hot dogs or tacos or something. I think I understand human nature better than you do.

You should apply for a media position you drum up bs better than a dung beetle. Art II was in control of the team long before Dan rooney passed away.

It is not BS. Again, it is called understanding human nature. You are inept at that. When we want to know the recipe for chili dogs, we will contact you. When you want to know about life in America, someone else will need to be consulted.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

I don't care what bell thinks. You implied an issue with the entire team. Rooney has been an owner since 2003 and inherited his dad's share when Dan passed away. Bell at the time was offered the richest running back contract in the history of the league and he turned it down. They rode with him through two suspensions and a knee injury. If he doesn't respect art II and doesn't understand its a business from both ends he can get f**ked. Bring on the Connor era.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

You completely made up an issue with ownership. A complete and total fabrication based on nothing but your desire to type it out. I'm talking about ONLY that portion of your post. You do it allllllllllllllllllllllllll the time.

Art II has been an owner since 2003.

Jimmy Haslam was a Steeler partial owner in 2003. That don't mean he gets respect from Steeler players, does it?

And you have a litany of players who have had contract disputes with Steeler managment/ownership. Sorry, but that DOES affect the respect that people have for someone. Maybe they are all soft and cuddly with each other when times are good, but when they want paid? Not so much....as is happening now.

And how many top free agents have signed with Pisstown? None that I can recall. So, apparently, among the rest of the players of the league, Pittsburgh is definitely NOT considered a prime destination for them.

Vagitron

And gipper you are Shmucking attorney not an astronaut. I know plenty of really bad ones and law schools pump em out at an alarming rate. I have a successful business that doesn't require slaving over other peoples cowpoop and eventually will lead to me sitting back and collecting pay checks while I do what I want. You also forget I went to school for political science, I nearly went to law school. (I had a 175 on my lsat, so spare me the bs and the back handed insult)

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

Jimmy Haslam was a Steeler partial owner in 2003. That don't mean he gets respect from Steeler players, does it?

And you have a litany of players who have had contract disputes with Steeler managment/ownership. Sorry, but that DOES affect the respect that people have for someone. Maybe they are all soft and cuddly with each other when times are good, but when they want paid? Not so much....as is happening now.

And how many top free agents have signed with Pisstown? None that I can recall. So, apparently, among the rest of the players of the league, Pittsburgh is definitely NOT considered a prime destination for them.

Haslam isn't a rooney and comparing the two is comical. Three generations in Pittsburgh, you don't see the difference Mr. Human nature.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

I don't care what bell thinks. You implied an issue with the entire team. Rooney has been an owner since 2003 and inherited his dad's share when Dan passed away. Bell at the time was offered the richest running back contract in the history of the league and he turned it down. They rode with him through two suspensions and a knee injury. If he doesn't respect art II and doesn't understand its a business from both ends he can get f**ked. Bring on the Connor era.

I am not defending Bell...by any means. But, whatever is going on, you have the entire team acting like Animal House apparently.

As for Conner, you always do this: you always think that whomever replace Hall of Fame talent on that team will be just as good. Like when whomever replaced finger LeBeau. And Conner to take over for Bell and be as good? I would make a wager against that. Why dont' you just go ahead and sit BR down? After all, whomever would be there to replace him would become just as good, according to your philosophy.

Vagitron

And the steelers don't overspend in free agency. They draft well and have players that demand substantial portions of the salary cap. They aren't the Browns who blow entire draft classes and have a bunch of nobodies that need paid until NOW where they are finally fielding a solid roster.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

I am not defending Bell...by any means. But, whatever is going on, you have the entire team acting like Animal House apparently.

As for Conner, you always do this: you always think that whomever replace Hall of Fame talent on that team will be just as good. Like when whomever replaced finger LeBeau. And Conner to take over for Bell and be as good? I would make a wager against that. Why dont' you just go ahead and sit BR down? After all, whomever would be there to replace him would become just as good, according to your philosophy.

Running back is the most replaceable position in the league. Connor has had a tremendous camp. He would have been a first round pick if not for the cancer based on his collegiate production. He won't be lev bell but behind our line he doesn't need to be.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

And gipper you are Shmucking attorney not an astronaut. I know plenty of really bad ones and law schools pump em out at an alarming rate. I have a successful business that doesn't require slaving over other peoples cowpoop and eventually will lead to me sitting back and collecting pay checks while I do what I want. You also forget I went to school for political science, I nearly went to law school. (I had a 175 on my lsat, so spare me the bs and the back handed insult)

So? You think that astronauts know more about human nature than attorneys? Yea, right, I can see why you went into selling popcorn and bagels. More your intellect.

Almost went to law school? That is like saying " I was almost pregnant". You didn't go to law school, and you are not pregnant. (and I can tell you that going to law school does not really prepare you for dealing with human beings and their problems. Only experience does that).

And by no means was I giving you a backhanded insult. By no means. It was a full, open handed frontal insult. If I had given you a back handed insult, you likely would not have been aware of it.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

And the steelers don't overspend in free agency. They draft well and have players that demand substantial portions of the salary cap. They aren't the Browns who blow entire draft classes and have a bunch of nobodies that need paid until NOW where they are finally fielding a solid roster.

I am certainly NOT going to defend the Browns terrible draft record. As for drafting "well"? Well, they have hit on a few, very important picks as well. The primary one being BR....but that was what? 14 years ago? And yes, they don't overspend on free agency...because they are too cheap to do so, just like I said.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

So? You think that astronauts know more about human nature than attorneys? Yea, right, I can see why you went into selling popcorn and bagels. More your intellect.

Almost went to law school? That is like saying " I was almost pregnant". You didn't go to law school, and you are not pregnant. (and I can tell you that going to law school does not really prepare you for dealing with human beings and their problems. Only experience does that).

And by no means was I giving you a backhanded insult. By no means. It was a full, open handed frontal insult. If I had given you a back handed insult, you likely would not have been aware of it.

It was more a knock on your supposed other worldly intelligence than it was a comparison of professions. I changed my mind on law school after preparing to go. I had no desire to throw myself into that rat race where every small town has 6-10 attorneys, who knows how many in major cities.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:

I am certainly NOT going to defend the Browns terrible draft record. As for drafting "well"? Well, they have hit on a few, very important picks as well. The primary one being BR....but that was what? 14 years ago? And yes, they don't overspend on free agency...because they are too cheap to do so, just like I said.

They don't need to sign free agents the majority of the time. They also hit on more than BR. Lol

Just stop gipper. I'm walking away now, have a nice weekend looking at yourself in the mirror gipper smiley.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

Running back is the most replaceable position in the league. Connor has had a tremendous camp. He would have been a first round pick if not for the cancer based on his collegiate production. He won't be lev bell but behind our line he doesn't need to be.

Actually, I think he does, if the team wants to be serious contenders. I mean, maybe he could be good enough to hold the water bucket for Bell, but if the Steelers expect to beat the Jags, Pats, Chargers, and other top contenders in the AFC, they would likely need a Bell...or Bell like player. Of course, what you have should be good enough for the Steelers to take this weak division, but beyond that? Dunno.

As for Conner being a first round pick without having had cancer? That is the opinion of one and only one person: you. Like you said....RB is the most replaceable position. Give that, give his talent, he would have been rated like a 3rd rounder, maybe. But, at least you got one thing right, he does have the Mike Munchak OL to run behind, which is good for him. (but didn't Bell have that last year?)

Ibleedbrown

You guys get the prize for most boring debate l’ve read in a while.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

They don't need to sign free agents the majority of the time. They also hit on more than BR. Lol

Just stop gipper. I'm walking away now, have a nice weekend looking at yourself in the mirror gipper smiley.

Yes, they hit on Brown. That was the ONE big hit they had (even bigger than BR...who, after all was the #11 overall pick) Bell, a second rounder is a bit better than his draft status, sure. But that is all I am going to give you. If you claim that they hit on like their first and second round picks, well.....every team should hit on those, and most do. (all but the Browns, sure). DeCastro and Pouncey and Heyward were all like first rounders, no? If you had not hit on them you would have been in like Browns territory.