Peppers
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Mayfield shows a lot of promise, Ward is playing great, Myles is a DROY candidate... And yet the guy we talk the most about is Peppers. It should at least make you wonder if he is playing to the level you'd expect from a first round pick.
Last year he was played out of position in an awful secondary, I'll give him that. So this is a key year for him to play to his first round status.
Make this people wrong. Prove it on the field.
Myles is not a rookie.
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Mayfield shows a lot of promise, Ward is playing great, Myles is a DROY candidate... And yet the guy we talk the most about is Peppers. It should at least make you wonder if he is playing to the level you'd expect from a first round pick.
Last year he was played out of position in an awful secondary, I'll give him that. So this is a key year for him to play to his first round status.
Make this people wrong. Prove it on the field.
Myles is not a rookie.
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Mayfield shows a lot of promise, Ward is playing great, Myles is a DROY candidate... And yet the guy we talk the most about is Peppers. It should at least make you wonder if he is playing to the level you'd expect from a first round pick.
Last year he was played out of position in an awful secondary, I'll give him that. So this is a key year for him to play to his first round status.
Make this people wrong. Prove it on the field.
Its because we have one guy on here who has his nose straight up Peppers bung hole.
Its because we have one guy on here who has his nose straight up Peppers bung hole.
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
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Its because we have one guy on here who has his nose straight up Peppers bung hole.
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
I don't recall anyone defending Brian robiskie back when he sucked. We all said he sucked and he was a second round pick. There may have been some people defending Terry as a coach but it was pretty unanimous that we all criticize Brian robiskie and that we all agreed we wasted a second round pick on him. But that must be because he's from Ohio State
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Why not just say I have to make plays and play better.
"I love the Cleveland Browns; I love the city of Cleveland," Peppers said. "I love how passionate the fans are. Part of what I get is my fault. I'm not playing up to my potential and they see that as well so you can't fault people for feeling how they feel. You just go to take it with a grain of salt and do what you got to do to get better."
like that?
"I love the Cleveland Browns; I love the city of Cleveland," Peppers said. "I love how passionate the fans are. Part of what I get is my fault. I'm not playing up to my potential and they see that as well so you can't fault people for feeling how they feel. You just go to take it with a grain of salt and do what you got to do to get better."
like that?
Also that was from his fake and forced clarification article. He wants to say he didn't mean to say that Browns fans are wishy-washy that's just how the NFL environment is. Right that's why he said one thing I've learned about CLEVELAND fans is that they are very very wishy-washy. And when told that statement may cause further criticism he basically said I don't care. So he shouldn't come back and try to clarify that he wasn't speaking just about Browns fans when he clearly stated Cleveland fans
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Its because we have one guy on here who has his nose straight up Peppers bung hole.
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
Except it isn't indefensible. And I'm not the only one. And I've admitted many times when he can do better or messed up. And I've called out fajse statements. And.... ah, Shmuck it... it's been made clear there are people in here that post about what I say without having actually read what I say. (not necessarily you Hoorta)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
And feels the need to defend the indefensible- because the guy went to the same college he did. Peppers starts playing like a first round pick, the criticism will stop pretty quickly.
I don't recall anyone defending Brian robiskie back when he sucked. We all said he sucked and he was a second round pick. There may have been some people defending Terry as a coach but it was pretty unanimous that we all criticize Brian robiskie and that we all agreed we wasted a second round pick on him. But that must be because he's from Ohio State
I don't recall anyone defending Brian robiskie back when he sucked. We all said he sucked and he was a second round pick. There may have been some people defending Terry as a coach but it was pretty unanimous that we all criticize Brian robiskie and that we all agreed we wasted a second round pick on him. But that must be because he's from Ohio State
Man... I've covered this like a dozen times now. I'm not saying people will hate on Michigan players no matter what. I'm not saying people will love OSU players no matter what. I'm saying being a Michigan player adds to and is a factor (along with actual or perceived bad play) that leads to threads like this, attacking comments, and harassment in public. I don't know how I can be any more clear....
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I don't recall anyone defending Brian robiskie back when he sucked. We all said he sucked and he was a second round pick. There may have been some people defending Terry as a coach but it was pretty unanimous that we all criticize Brian robiskie and that we all agreed we wasted a second round pick on him. But that must be because he's from Ohio State
Man... I've covered this like a dozen times now. I'm not saying people will hate on Michigan players no matter what. I'm not saying people will love OSU players no matter what. I'm saying being a Michigan player adds to and is a factor (along with actual or perceived bad play) that leads to threads like this, attacking comments, and harassment in public. I don't know how I can be any more clear....
Man... I've covered this like a dozen times now. I'm not saying people will hate on Michigan players no matter what. I'm not saying people will love OSU players no matter what. I'm saying being a Michigan player adds to and is a factor (along with actual or perceived bad play) that leads to threads like this, attacking comments, and harassment in public. I don't know how I can be any more clear....
No this thread was made because a poster saw that he missed a coverage assignment. If Brian robiskie dropped a touchdown pass there would have been a thread made about it. When Tyrod Taylor was struggling to complete passes against the Jets there was a thread made about it. When player struggle there are comments made about it. It doesn't matter where they went to school. When players screw up or are not performing there is talk about it. It is not Amplified because of where they went. It gets Amplified because people defend the play and then it becomes a big long thread. Before you commented on this thread it had about 9 replies and was going to die shortly thereafter like many other threads.
People especially when it comes to sports just have to be right so they will continue going back and forth which makes it look like there is more light being shined on Peppers because they're going to keep arguing and so are you. When there are fire Hue threads they don't last very long because not too many people get on there and defend him time and time again.
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It absolutely amplifies it. But I'm not going to be able to convince you.
Uh, I wasn't the only one in this thread to "defend" him originally. Unless you want to blame all of those posters for the thread not dying after 8 posts like you said it would have. Not to mention the OP was bitching about Peppers when he wasn't even the player in question (which the OP has now continued to ignore instead of address).
But it's already been made clear some posters don't actually read what I posted before commenting on what I posted.
I'm not going to convince everyone, whatever. There are some in this thread with essentially the same views as me so I can live with that.
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It absolutely amplifies it. But I'm not going to be able to convince you.
Uh, I wasn't the only one in this thread to "defend" him originally. Unless you want to blame all of those posters for the thread not dying after 8 posts like you said it would have. Not to mention the OP was bitching about Peppers when he wasn't even the player in question (which the OP has now continued to ignore instead of address).
But it's already been made clear some posters don't actually read what I posted before commenting on what I posted.
I'm not going to convince everyone, whatever. There are some in this thread with essentially the same views as me so I can live with that.
It absolutely amplifies it. But I'm not going to be able to convince you.
Uh, I wasn't the only one in this thread to "defend" him originally. Unless you want to blame all of those posters for the thread not dying after 8 posts like you said it would have. Not to mention the OP was bitching about Peppers when he wasn't even the player in question (which the OP has now continued to ignore instead of address).
But it's already been made clear some posters don't actually read what I posted before commenting on what I posted.
I'm not going to convince everyone, whatever. There are some in this thread with essentially the same views as me so I can live with that.
There are many posters who don't think he should be criticized when he's going to CVS. I would agree with that. To me saying that people rush to criticize him is saying that they are eager to see him fail so that they can say "see I told you look he sucks." I don't believe any Browns fan truly would do that. I think some on here like to give you a hard time and you were all over the pick & loved it so they want to point out when he screws up to you because you said he was going to be good/great. Like if Baker were screwing up people would be posting about all of his downfalls because there were many on here that really liked Baker pre-draft. I myself defended the ward pick over chubb as did others so if he started playing poorly I would fully expect others to point out those flaws.
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Around the 5:30 mark Williams starts taking about Jabrill. It seems like he was expecting the question and was ready to shed some light on what Pep does for the overall defense. Or I guess you can argue he was ready to just lie and make his guys sound better than they are. Not sure if that's really William's personality tho
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Fuc k Peppers.
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Around the 5:30 mark Williams starts taking about Jabrill. It seems like he was expecting the question and was ready to shed some light on what Pep does for the overall defense. Or I guess you can argue he was ready to just lie and make his guys sound better than they are. Not sure if that's really William's personality tho
Around the 5:30 mark Williams starts taking about Jabrill. It seems like he was expecting the question and was ready to shed some light on what Pep does for the overall defense. Or I guess you can argue he was ready to just lie and make his guys sound better than they are. Not sure if that's really William's personality tho
Really depends on how he views peppers. If he is a good coach, which I believe he is, then he will know which players can be criticized in the public and which need to be coddled. He may be telling the truth about peppers but I will say that he seems like the type that wouldn't take criticism in the public all that well due to peppers recent comments regarding fans being wishy washy.
You know I was thinking back when Josh Gordon was going through everything he was going through and he talked about the fans hating on him in the public and his family. Most on here said that his family didn't deserve the hatred but he did it to himself as far as getting criticized because he couldn't get on the field due to his own problems. So it's not just Peppers that people criticize for going to the public and crying about the fans. I believe there was a thread on it as well because it was some article.
Edit to say I think most on here recognize that Jabrill has a very high football IQ, he always has. Except when it comes to calling for a fair catch on a punt LOL but I digress it's about not seeing results on the field.
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No, I've never said that either. I said it adds to the Sheet he's getting.
I think you greatly overestimate and are overly sensitive to the Sheet he gets....I think a lot of browns fans have already sorta written him off as a major contributor going forward,so
there isnt going to be as much vonversation about him.
We are lacking depth in secondary now, but Id be curious what his % of snaps will be for next year.
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the problem with peppers is that he was taken as a safety....and not even the more important safety position....in the first freaking round.
First round corners sometimes miss. First round tackles sometimes miss. A first round 'run stopper'(lmao) strong safety? If you take that in the first round you better be
drafting someone who is a sure thing to be really good.
so he gets here and it's initially obvious that he is not special in any way.....he's slow as shite. He doesn't run anywhere near as fast in pads as he does in workout clothes apparently. We spent a first round pick on a guy who could be found as an udfa.
You sure you're not confusing him with another player.... again
You sure you're not confusing him with another player.... again
Im still not sure we are thinking of the same play. regardless, if it wasnt him thats because in the second half he wasnt on the field a lot....there is a reason for that.
And no, I referenced his 40 time(which was solid) at combine. Unfortunately in pads he is slow as Sheet. Anyone who watches him return a kickoff at 'full speed' can see that. That last kickoff return where he ran a dead straight line to the 12 yard line(!) showed that....
Im not worried about peppers. We are a 6 win team maybe this year. He wont be an important contributor when it matters, so it;s all good.
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Around the 5:30 mark Williams starts taking about Jabrill. It seems like he was expecting the question and was ready to shed some light on what Pep does for the overall defense. Or I guess you can argue he was ready to just lie and make his guys sound better than they are. Not sure if that's really William's personality tho
Really depends on how he views peppers. If he is a good coach, which I believe he is, then he will know which players can be criticized in the public and which need to be coddled. He may be telling the truth about peppers but I will say that he seems like the type that wouldn't take criticism in the public all that well due to peppers recent comments regarding fans being wishy washy.
You know I was thinking back when Josh Gordon was going through everything he was going through and he talked about the fans hating on him in the public and his family. Most on here said that his family didn't deserve the hatred but he did it to himself as far as getting criticized because he couldn't get on the field due to his own problems. So it's not just Peppers that people criticize for going to the public and crying about the fans. I believe there was a thread on it as well because it was some article.
Edit to say I think most on here recognize that Jabrill has a very high football IQ, he always has. Except when it comes to calling for a fair catch on a punt LOL but I digress it's about not seeing results on the field.
Really depends on how he views peppers. If he is a good coach, which I believe he is, then he will know which players can be criticized in the public and which need to be coddled. He may be telling the truth about peppers but I will say that he seems like the type that wouldn't take criticism in the public all that well due to peppers recent comments regarding fans being wishy washy.
I'll only add two things
1. Does Williams seem like a coach that would "coddle" his players?
2. He was talking about a little more than just "criticism" in public. I get your point... but he's being harassed.
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Serious questions woody. Do you think browns fans are wishy washy. If no, do you buy pep's clarification? Lastly are you on his payroll?
Serious questions woody. Do you think browns fans are wishy washy. If no, do you buy pep's clarification? Lastly are you on his payroll?
I'm honestly not sure what he meant by "wishy washy". I do 100% believe there is a portion of this fan base that turns on players too early. I'm not just talking about Pep. It is something I've seen in all the years I've been on this board now. There are fans that jump on players when they're down, "attack" them, etc. They become enemy #1 if they leave the team, and sometimes when they're on it. Now I understand these players may not be performing, but the responses seem extreme. I get that they're football players and criticism is part of the job, but I think a part of our fan base takes it past that point. Maybe other fan bases have portions that do the same, but I'm not as deeply involved in them. I swear this is an opinion I've had for years too, not just with the stuff around Pep.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You sure you're not confusing him with another player.... again
Im still not sure we are thinking of the same play. regardless, if it wasnt him thats because in the second half he wasnt on the field a lot....there is a reason for that.
And no, I referenced his 40 time(which was solid) at combine. Unfortunately in pads he is slow as Sheet. Anyone who watches him return a kickoff at 'full speed' can see that. That last kickoff return where he ran a dead straight line to the 12 yard line(!) showed that....
Im not worried about peppers. We are a 6 win team maybe this year. He wont be an important contributor when it matters, so it;s all good.
Im still not sure we are thinking of the same play. regardless, if it wasnt him thats because in the second half he wasnt on the field a lot....there is a reason for that.
And no, I referenced his 40 time(which was solid) at combine. Unfortunately in pads he is slow as Sheet. Anyone who watches him return a kickoff at 'full speed' can see that. That last kickoff return where he ran a dead straight line to the 12 yard line(!) showed that....
Im not worried about peppers. We are a 6 win team maybe this year. He wont be an important contributor when it matters, so it;s all good.
I posted a video and called out the play. It was the type of play you described, on the drive you referenced, with a DB falling over like you said Pep did. Except it was Ward.
He didn't run in a "dead straight line" on the last kick return. He went left, which his main lead blocker did too like we were setting up a return left, and he got literally no blocking and was met by 4 or 5 Raiders at the 12.
If you're calling him slow on returns, it probably has a lot to do with hesitation. That's on Jabrill and on the unit as a whole blocking terribly adding to any hesitation. But I guess I'm just not seeing that slowness on defense.
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Serious questions woody. Do you think browns fans are wishy washy. If no, do you buy pep's clarification? Lastly are you on his payroll?
I'm honestly not sure what he meant by "wishy washy". I do 100% believe there is a portion of this fan base that turns on players too early. I'm not just talking about Pep. It is something I've seen in all the years I've been on this board now. There are fans that jump on players when they're down, "attack" them, etc. They become enemy #1 if they leave the team, and sometimes when they're on it. Now I understand these players may not be performing, but the responses seem extreme. I get that they're football players and criticism is part of the job, but I think a part of our fan base takes it past that point. Maybe other fan bases have portions that do the same, but I'm not as deeply involved in them. I swear this is an opinion I've had for years too, not just with the stuff around Pep.
I'm honestly not sure what he meant by "wishy washy". I do 100% believe there is a portion of this fan base that turns on players too early. I'm not just talking about Pep. It is something I've seen in all the years I've been on this board now. There are fans that jump on players when they're down, "attack" them, etc. They become enemy #1 if they leave the team, and sometimes when they're on it. Now I understand these players may not be performing, but the responses seem extreme. I get that they're football players and criticism is part of the job, but I think a part of our fan base takes it past that point. Maybe other fan bases have portions that do the same, but I'm not as deeply involved in them. I swear this is an opinion I've had for years too, not just with the stuff around Pep.
Just look at the number of posters around here this season who continue to bitch and complain and such negative attitudes despite the fact that the team has shown some actual talent and moving in the right direction for the first time in several years. There's still the "we're losers" or "I knew we were going to lose" and all that other bullshit. This is a pretty good, very young football team that seems to be heading in the right direction and hopefully keeps getting better. But it still isn't good enough for some around here.
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