Peppers
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This is being discussed in the other thread that's calling out Peppers
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I also wouldn't overlook the kick return data Tour posted earlier
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Peppers should be cut. Maybe, maybe he can get a job as a used car salesman.
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I saw that yesterday and was wondering when it would get posted. Thank you for having that take on the article as opposed to bitching about Peppers for "complaining" or some nonsense.
He seems to know he needs to do better. The whole ST unit. And he thinks they'll all get there.
Harassing the guy in public is going overboard. Everything he said was 100% correct and this fanbase seems to turn on players really quickly. I'm also positive a lot of his encounters included a "Shmuck Michigan!" too. Maybe it's just a vocal minority.
Either way, I hope it all works out. Let's get more 3 safety sets on D now that Mitchell is out.
I saw that yesterday and was wondering when it would get posted. Thank you for having that take on the article as opposed to bitching about Peppers for "complaining" or some nonsense.
He seems to know he needs to do better. The whole ST unit. And he thinks they'll all get there.
Harassing the guy in public is going overboard. Everything he said was 100% correct and this fanbase seems to turn on players really quickly. I'm also positive a lot of his encounters included a "Shmuck Michigan!" too. Maybe it's just a vocal minority.
Either way, I hope it all works out. Let's get more 3 safety sets on D now that Mitchell is out.
Calling out people in public like that is dumb, and 100% wrong. I couldn't imagine being so engrained to harass someone in public. Unfortunately I have no doubt it has to do with his Michigan ties, at least to a degree.
Saying out loud your fan base is wishy-washy is dumb too. The guy is over a season into his career and most can agree he looks like nothing more than a late round safety talent out there, and well below average in punt returns. Can he improve? Sure, but I'll believe when I see it. I see (along with many others) a guy who is still making the same mistakes. It's the opposite of ridiculous for fans to question the pick at this point, IDC what college colors he had on. Fan bases turn quickly on everyone, TBH I don't see that as an issue anymore than other places I've lived (or live) with a football team. Sometimes as a pro athlete you gotta bite your lip and keep going.
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"I love the Cleveland Browns; I love the city of Cleveland," Peppers said. "I love how passionate the fans are. Part of what I get is my fault. I'm not playing up to my potential and they see that as well so you can't fault people for feeling how they feel. You just go to take it with a grain of salt and do what you got to do to get better."
But he also said he has limits.
"When you walk up on another grown man, that's another kind of situation," he said.
Peppers said the fact he went to Michigan makes the situation worse given the rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan.
"Some people already feel the way about me because of my college choice," he said. "I've just got to play better and make the plays on the field to get them to like me. That's how it is in the NFL."
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Peppers is learning. I think the desperate move to have him stay so far back hurt his rep with fans,
but he isn't doing that now.
A lot to learn, I'm fine with him - he has made mistakes, no big deal - he is doing different stuff this season.
He'll grow, he loves the game. We'll be bragging on him later. He's a smart kid - he'll be fine later.
Meanwhile, I do "hate" Michigan - but, I have to admit, the school is developing a world class dummy education program.
You won't believe who their first student was, not a football player....that entered that program.
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Peppers is learning. I think the desperate move to have him stay so far back hurt his rep with fans,
but he isn't doing that now.
A lot to learn, I'm fine with him - he has made mistakes, no big deal - he is doing different stuff this season.
He'll grow, he loves the game. We'll be bragging on him later. He's a smart kid - he'll be fine later.
Meanwhile, I do "hate" Michigan - but, I have to admit, the school is developing a world class dummy education program.
You won't believe who their first student was, not a football player....that entered that program.
Peppers is learning. I think the desperate move to have him stay so far back hurt his rep with fans,
but he isn't doing that now.
A lot to learn, I'm fine with him - he has made mistakes, no big deal - he is doing different stuff this season.
He'll grow, he loves the game. We'll be bragging on him later. He's a smart kid - he'll be fine later.
Meanwhile, I do "hate" Michigan - but, I have to admit, the school has a world class education program.
I think... I think I agree with Cal here? Wow.
Just edited a little there at the end
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This fan base turns on players when they are doing a terrible job......as do ALL fan bases.
how very apologist of you. harassing players is never ok...harassing anyone isn't ok. it says more about how childish this fanbase is than anything else. the impression i get is every player must be elite on every play depite the fact there are also pros on the other side.
i used to come here to talk football...but this fanbase has largely turned into a bunch of whiny, pessimistic children who compete with each other as to whom can use the most hyperbole. its insufferable, pathetic, and not at all indicative of an intelligent and rational fanbase.
just because "fan" came from fanatic doesn't give everyone an excuse to act like a dipshit. players see these kinds of articles, then only consider coming to the land to collect a paycheck. you reap what you sow. so let those knee jerk, hyperbolic reactions flow....just reinforces the idea that this fanbase is one of the worst in pro sports. im glad to have grow up in pittsburgh, otherwise i'd have turned out like a normal browns fan.
how very apologist of you. harassing players is never ok...harassing anyone isn't ok. it says more about how childish this fanbase is than anything else. the impression i get is every player must be elite on every play depite the fact there are also pros on the other side.
i used to come here to talk football...but this fanbase has largely turned into a bunch of whiny, pessimistic children who compete with each other as to whom can use the most hyperbole. its insufferable, pathetic, and not at all indicative of an intelligent and rational fanbase.
just because "fan" came from fanatic doesn't give everyone an excuse to act like a dipshit. players see these kinds of articles, then only consider coming to the land to collect a paycheck. you reap what you sow. so let those knee jerk, hyperbolic reactions flow....just reinforces the idea that this fanbase is one of the worst in pro sports. im glad to have grow up in pittsburgh, otherwise i'd have turned out like a normal browns fan.
I am not talking about up close and personal confrontations. I am talking about getting on them for poor play in places like the media or social media, like here.
And if you think this is the worst fan base in sports......that makes me think you are a Kunta, Kinte.......and you can take you gaping hot pocket pussy back to Pittsburgh. And YOU certainly do NOT raise the intellect level of things around here.
If you are that sensiyive, you are right not to come here.....because it is the opposite of what you say......it is hard asses, hard workers tired of pampered toilet paper substitutes failing to do their job to help this team win.....and then complaining about the fans.
You must really have NO fuycking idea of how things are in other cities when these players act like Divas. You really don't. Other teams fans would act like Salome' and ask for their heads on a platter.
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The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date). The first year being a wash in my eyes. That team didn't really endear any player to our fans.
But when you're a first round pick, especially a first round pick from UM, you had damn well better be worth the price the front office paid for you. Otherwise you're going to incur a world of Sheet for that price and that tag. Fair or not, that is the reality of the situation.
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This fan base turns on players when they are doing a terrible job......as do ALL fan bases.
how very apologist of you. harassing players is never ok...harassing anyone isn't ok. it says more about how childish this fanbase is than anything else. the impression i get is every player must be elite on every play depite the fact there are also pros on the other side.
i used to come here to talk football...but this fanbase has largely turned into a bunch of whiny, pessimistic children who compete with each other as to whom can use the most hyperbole. its insufferable, pathetic, and not at all indicative of an intelligent and rational fanbase.
just because "fan" came from fanatic doesn't give everyone an excuse to act like a dipshit. players see these kinds of articles, then only consider coming to the land to collect a paycheck. you reap what you sow. so let those knee jerk, hyperbolic reactions flow....just reinforces the idea that this fanbase is one of the worst in pro sports. im glad to have grow up in pittsburgh, otherwise i'd have turned out like a normal browns fan.
how very apologist of you. harassing players is never ok...harassing anyone isn't ok. it says more about how childish this fanbase is than anything else. the impression i get is every player must be elite on every play depite the fact there are also pros on the other side.
i used to come here to talk football...but this fanbase has largely turned into a bunch of whiny, pessimistic children who compete with each other as to whom can use the most hyperbole. its insufferable, pathetic, and not at all indicative of an intelligent and rational fanbase.
just because "fan" came from fanatic doesn't give everyone an excuse to act like a dipshit. players see these kinds of articles, then only consider coming to the land to collect a paycheck. you reap what you sow. so let those knee jerk, hyperbolic reactions flow....just reinforces the idea that this fanbase is one of the worst in pro sports. im glad to have grow up in pittsburgh, otherwise i'd have turned out like a normal browns fan.
You're a little bitch.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date). The first year being a wash in my eyes. That team didn't really endear any player to our fans.
But when you're a first round pick, especially a first round pick from UM, you had damn well better be worth the price the front office paid for you. Otherwise you're going to incur a world of Sheet for that price and that tag. Fair or not, that is the reality of the situation.
The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date). The first year being a wash in my eyes. That team didn't really endear any player to our fans.
But when you're a first round pick, especially a first round pick from UM, you had damn well better be worth the price the front office paid for you. Otherwise you're going to incur a world of Sheet for that price and that tag. Fair or not, that is the reality of the situation.
To me, being from UM has nothing to do with anything. When he puts on the Brown and Orange, he is a Brown.
It IS being a first round pick.
I think that Browns fans have been far less harsh on him than they have on the litany of other Browns first round busts.
He hasn't gotten the Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn, JMZ treatment. Or the Mingo/Gilbert treatment. Or name any other past Browns first round bust.
Look at the shite that Njoku is taking here, and elsewhere for his dropsies. He is getting as much or more than Peppers.
So, you are absolutely right....it is the place he was picked that makes expectations on him high, and which makes disappointment also so high.
Being from UM means nothing......we always have liked us some Aaron Shea, Steve Everitt, Darden, Hoard...etc. etc.
Here are some words of advice for the kid:
Play good. Don't play bad. It makes all the difference.
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last i checked "getting fries with that" wasnt a terribly complex team oriented endeavor. But yeah i can def see how sraring down 11 top level athletes running right you with one singular goal in mind is akin to connecting me with ur supervisor.?
last i checked "getting fries with that" wasnt a terribly complex team oriented endeavor. But yeah i can def see how sraring down 11 top level athletes running right you with one singular goal in mind is akin to connecting me with ur supervisor.?
Catch ball, run with ball. Guys who get 12 on the ACT have figured it out. But you keep jawing at the $12/hr dude.
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its fukking disgraceful to give any player sht that ISNT a problem child and has done whats been asked of him. Utter disgrace. Did people harass josh gordon? The guy that actually fukked us over for multople years?
its fukking disgraceful to give any player sht that ISNT a problem child and has done whats been asked of him. Utter disgrace. Did people harass josh gordon? The guy that actually fukked us over for multople years?
Little, Weeden, Quinn, Gonzalez, Pettine, Braylon, Shananahan, Mangini...you critical of any of those guys
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- Being from Michigan absolutely adds to this. Whether people choose to admit it or not
- Yes, people were critical of those players... eventually. It's the rate at which it got to it
- I'm not sure how many of those players were harassed in person whenever they go out
- He has played well this year. Again, he was our top rated defender just two weeks ago. This idea he's playing as terribly as the busts listed is just incorrect.
- Now he's a diva? What? What has he done that's made him a diva? Accurately describe the shittiest part of our fanbase?
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- Being from Michigan absolutely adds to this. Whether people choose to admit it or not
- Yes, people were critical of those players... eventually. It's the rate at which it got to it
- I'm not sure how many of those players were harassed in person whenever they go out
- He has played well this year. Again, he was our top rated defender just two weeks ago. This idea he's playing as terribly as the busts listed is just incorrect.
- Now he's a diva? What? What has he done that's made him a diva? Accurately describe the shittiest part of our fanbase?
- Being from Michigan absolutely adds to this. Whether people choose to admit it or not
- Yes, people were critical of those players... eventually. It's the rate at which it got to it
- I'm not sure how many of those players were harassed in person whenever they go out
- He has played well this year. Again, he was our top rated defender just two weeks ago. This idea he's playing as terribly as the busts listed is just incorrect.
- Now he's a diva? What? What has he done that's made him a diva? Accurately describe the shittiest part of our fanbase?
I am a Buckeyes fan for sure. That said I am a BROWNS fan even more. I do not care if a guy played for MI or was the all star for the local prison team if he can ball lol, complete non factor in my b!tching about any player. Id say the jury is out on the value of Peppers but hope he turns out to really kill it.
As far as publicly harrasing a player, I think its fine if you are at the stadium yelling at the field, outside the venue its absolute horsesh!t. I know if I have a bad day at work it would suck for some assh0le at the store Ive never met give me sh1T.
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The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date). The first year being a wash in my eyes. That team didn't really endear any player to our fans.
But when you're a first round pick, especially a first round pick from UM, you had damn well better be worth the price the front office paid for you. Otherwise you're going to incur a world of Sheet for that price and that tag. Fair or not, that is the reality of the situation.
The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date).
I think they envisioned him as a Troy Palamalu. But so far he's the jack of all trades, master of none.
...and he should keep his mouth shut. It's not always good, the way the media has access to the player(s).
Players are heckled in most sports. Even by their own fans. The job is to ignore the idiots.
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how very apologist of you. harassing players is never ok...harassing anyone isn't ok. it says more about how childish this fanbase is than anything else. the impression i get is every player must be elite on every play depite the fact there are also pros on the other side.
i used to come here to talk football...but this fanbase has largely turned into a bunch of whiny, pessimistic children who compete with each other as to whom can use the most hyperbole. its insufferable, pathetic, and not at all indicative of an intelligent and rational fanbase.
just because "fan" came from fanatic doesn't give everyone an excuse to act like a dipshit. players see these kinds of articles, then only consider coming to the land to collect a paycheck. you reap what you sow. so let those knee jerk, hyperbolic reactions flow....just reinforces the idea that this fanbase is one of the worst in pro sports. im glad to have grow up in pittsburgh, otherwise i'd have turned out like a normal browns fan.
You're a little bitch.
You're a little bitch.
Oh the irony.
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its fukking disgraceful to give any player sht that ISNT a problem child and has done whats been asked of him. Utter disgrace. Did people harass josh gordon? The guy that actually fukked us over for multople years?
Little, Weeden, Quinn, Gonzalez, Pettine, Braylon, Shananahan, Mangini...you critical of any of those guys
Little, Weeden, Quinn, Gonzalez, Pettine, Braylon, Shananahan, Mangini...you critical of any of those guys
why would i be critical of mangini or shanahan? u do remember the last time we had an "elite" running attack right? one that actually scared the sht out of people and landed our RB o. the cover of madden.....rem that? that was under mangini.
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You're a little bitch.
Oh the irony.
Oh the irony.
Punk.
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The issue, or at least one of the issues, is that many fans were lead to believe that Peppers was 1) an 'ELITE' athlete - he is not 2) had the ability to play multiple positions at a high level - he cannot (to date).
I think they envisioned him as a Troy Palamalu. But so far he's the jack of all trades, master of none.
...and he should keep his mouth shut. It's not always good, the way the media has access to the player(s).
Players are heckled in most sports. Even by their own fans. The job is to ignore the idiots.
I think they envisioned him as a Troy Palamalu. But so far he's the jack of all trades, master of none.
...and he should keep his mouth shut. It's not always good, the way the media has access to the player(s).
Players are heckled in most sports. Even by their own fans. The job is to ignore the idiots.
Heckled and confronted in person at a store are not the same thing
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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