Best Players not in the HOF
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Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction
That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.
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Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction
That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.
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Zombo said:
How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?
Zombo
That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?
That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?
That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 268 243 18 238 0 42 23 11 1 18 66 1 56.5 1522 324 187 13 yrs SDG 200 199 15 210 0 42 13 11 1 16 66 1 47.0 1286 192 160 4 yrs NWE 38 16 3 28 0 23 5 0 0 1 0 0 4.5 121 58 12 1990 21 SDG RILB 55 16 15 1.0 85 85 0 7 1991* 22 SDG RILB 55 16 16 7.0 129 129 0 9 1992*+ 23 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 51 0 29 0 1 0 1 10 0 4.5 102 102 0 16 1993*+ 24 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 58 0 42 0 1 0 1 21 0 129 129 0 15 1994*+ 25 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 3 0 0 5.5 155 124 31 15 1995* 26 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 5 0 3 0 1 0 3 30 1 2.0 130 111 19 14 1996*+ 27 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 18 0 10 0 1 0 3 0 0 7.0 138 110 28 14 1997* 28 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 33 0 26 0 1 1 2 5 0 7.0 97 84 13 11 1998*+ 29 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 115 92 23 17 1999* 30 SDG LB 55 14 14 1 16 0 16 0 1 0 1 0 0 3.5 99 75 24 13 3 12 2000*+ 31 SDG lb 55 16 16 2 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 3.5 122 103 19 15 4 12 2001* 32 SDG LB 55 16 16 1 2 0 2 6 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 94 83 11 9 1 10 2002* 33 SDG LB/rolb 55 13 13 1 25 0 25 7 1 0 0 0 0 1.5 83 59 24 11 2 8 2003 34 MIA LB 55 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 3.0 96 66 30 12 2 8 2004 35 MIA LB 55 8 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 57 31 26 5 0 5 2005 36 MIA lb 55 7 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 36 18 18 1 0 2 2006 37 NWE LB/mlb 55 11 10 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 69 39 30 5 4 6 2007 38 NWE lb 55 16 4 3 28 0 23 4 3.5 74 58 16 9 6 4 2008 39 NWE lb 55 4 2 22 15 7 1 2009 40 NWE 55 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 14 9 5 0 1 1 Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 278 248 16 206 1 36 0 27 1 14 29 1 69.5 1561 34 137 16 yrs CLE 232 216 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 124 1978 22 CLE lb 57 15 2 1 5 0 5 0 34 34 0 1 1979 23 CLE RLB/rolb 57 16 16 1 30 0 30 0 0 2 0 0 103 103 0 6 1980 24 CLE ROLB 57 14 13 1 6 0 6 0 0 1 0 0 83 83 0 6 1981 25 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 14 0 8 0 0 2 16 0 128 128 0 8 1982 26 CLE lb 57 2 1 11 11 0 1 1983 27 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 4 0 0 0 0 6.0 106 106 0 7 1984 28 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 3 0 1 0 0 12.0 126 126 0 13 1985* 29 CLE ROLB 57 14 14 1 0 1 15 0 6.0 88 88 0 10 1986 30 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 12 0 8 0 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 89 89 0 7 1987* 31 CLE ROLB 57 12 12 3 62 1 36 0 0 2 0 0 2.5 72 72 0 13 1988* 32 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 0 2 0 0 6.0 101 101 0 11 1989* 33 CLE LLB 57 16 16 1 25 0 25 0 3 1 2 -2 1 4.0 113 113 0 13 1990 34 CLE LLB 57 16 16 3 0 0 0 0 3.5 102 102 0 5 1991 35 CLE RLB 57 15 15 1 35 0 35 0 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 80 80 0 7 1992 36 CLE RLB 57 16 16 1 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 0 9.0 111 111 0 8 1993 37 CLE RLB 57 16 15 1 10 0 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.5 83 83 0 8 1994 38 ATL LLB 57 15 15 1.0 90 71 19 5 1995 39 ATL LLB 57 16 16 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 63 49 14 7 1996 40 ATL lb 57 15 1 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 12 11 1 1 -
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Nearly identical career numbers? Maybe Junior getting some sympathy votes for his tragic death?
It does show how subjective any voted in awards can be at times.
Nearly identical career numbers? Maybe Junior getting some sympathy votes for his tragic death?
It does show how subjective any voted in awards can be at times.
Matthews played OLB, Seau played ILB, right?
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That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?
That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 268 243 18 238 0 42 23 11 1 18 66 1 56.5 1522 324 187 13 yrs SDG 200 199 15 210 0 42 13 11 1 16 66 1 47.0 1286 192 160 4 yrs NWE 38 16 3 28 0 23 5 0 0 1 0 0 4.5 121 58 12 1990 21 SDG RILB 55 16 15 1.0 85 85 0 7 1991* 22 SDG RILB 55 16 16 7.0 129 129 0 9 1992*+ 23 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 51 0 29 0 1 0 1 10 0 4.5 102 102 0 16 1993*+ 24 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 58 0 42 0 1 0 1 21 0 129 129 0 15 1994*+ 25 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 3 0 0 5.5 155 124 31 15 1995* 26 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 5 0 3 0 1 0 3 30 1 2.0 130 111 19 14 1996*+ 27 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 18 0 10 0 1 0 3 0 0 7.0 138 110 28 14 1997* 28 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 33 0 26 0 1 1 2 5 0 7.0 97 84 13 11 1998*+ 29 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 115 92 23 17 1999* 30 SDG LB 55 14 14 1 16 0 16 0 1 0 1 0 0 3.5 99 75 24 13 3 12 2000*+ 31 SDG lb 55 16 16 2 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 3.5 122 103 19 15 4 12 2001* 32 SDG LB 55 16 16 1 2 0 2 6 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 94 83 11 9 1 10 2002* 33 SDG LB/rolb 55 13 13 1 25 0 25 7 1 0 0 0 0 1.5 83 59 24 11 2 8 2003 34 MIA LB 55 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 3.0 96 66 30 12 2 8 2004 35 MIA LB 55 8 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 57 31 26 5 0 5 2005 36 MIA lb 55 7 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 36 18 18 1 0 2 2006 37 NWE LB/mlb 55 11 10 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 69 39 30 5 4 6 2007 38 NWE lb 55 16 4 3 28 0 23 4 3.5 74 58 16 9 6 4 2008 39 NWE lb 55 4 2 22 15 7 1 2009 40 NWE 55 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 14 9 5 0 1 1 Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 278 248 16 206 1 36 0 27 1 14 29 1 69.5 1561 34 137 16 yrs CLE 232 216 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 124 1978 22 CLE lb 57 15 2 1 5 0 5 0 34 34 0 1 1979 23 CLE RLB/rolb 57 16 16 1 30 0 30 0 0 2 0 0 103 103 0 6 1980 24 CLE ROLB 57 14 13 1 6 0 6 0 0 1 0 0 83 83 0 6 1981 25 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 14 0 8 0 0 2 16 0 128 128 0 8 1982 26 CLE lb 57 2 1 11 11 0 1 1983 27 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 4 0 0 0 0 6.0 106 106 0 7 1984 28 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 3 0 1 0 0 12.0 126 126 0 13 1985* 29 CLE ROLB 57 14 14 1 0 1 15 0 6.0 88 88 0 10 1986 30 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 12 0 8 0 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 89 89 0 7 1987* 31 CLE ROLB 57 12 12 3 62 1 36 0 0 2 0 0 2.5 72 72 0 13 1988* 32 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 0 2 0 0 6.0 101 101 0 11 1989* 33 CLE LLB 57 16 16 1 25 0 25 0 3 1 2 -2 1 4.0 113 113 0 13 1990 34 CLE LLB 57 16 16 3 0 0 0 0 3.5 102 102 0 5 1991 35 CLE RLB 57 15 15 1 35 0 35 0 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 80 80 0 7 1992 36 CLE RLB 57 16 16 1 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 0 9.0 111 111 0 8 1993 37 CLE RLB 57 16 15 1 10 0 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.5 83 83 0 8 1994 38 ATL LLB 57 15 15 1.0 90 71 19 5 1995 39 ATL LLB 57 16 16 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 63 49 14 7 1996 40 ATL lb 57 15 1 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 12 11 1 1 That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 268 243 18 238 0 42 23 11 1 18 66 1 56.5 1522 324 187 13 yrs SDG 200 199 15 210 0 42 13 11 1 16 66 1 47.0 1286 192 160 4 yrs NWE 38 16 3 28 0 23 5 0 0 1 0 0 4.5 121 58 12 1990 21 SDG RILB 55 16 15 1.0 85 85 0 7 1991* 22 SDG RILB 55 16 16 7.0 129 129 0 9 1992*+ 23 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 51 0 29 0 1 0 1 10 0 4.5 102 102 0 16 1993*+ 24 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 58 0 42 0 1 0 1 21 0 129 129 0 15 1994*+ 25 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 3 0 0 5.5 155 124 31 15 1995* 26 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 5 0 3 0 1 0 3 30 1 2.0 130 111 19 14 1996*+ 27 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 18 0 10 0 1 0 3 0 0 7.0 138 110 28 14 1997* 28 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 33 0 26 0 1 1 2 5 0 7.0 97 84 13 11 1998*+ 29 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 115 92 23 17 1999* 30 SDG LB 55 14 14 1 16 0 16 0 1 0 1 0 0 3.5 99 75 24 13 3 12 2000*+ 31 SDG lb 55 16 16 2 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 3.5 122 103 19 15 4 12 2001* 32 SDG LB 55 16 16 1 2 0 2 6 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 94 83 11 9 1 10 2002* 33 SDG LB/rolb 55 13 13 1 25 0 25 7 1 0 0 0 0 1.5 83 59 24 11 2 8 2003 34 MIA LB 55 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 3.0 96 66 30 12 2 8 2004 35 MIA LB 55 8 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 57 31 26 5 0 5 2005 36 MIA lb 55 7 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 36 18 18 1 0 2 2006 37 NWE LB/mlb 55 11 10 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 69 39 30 5 4 6 2007 38 NWE lb 55 16 4 3 28 0 23 4 3.5 74 58 16 9 6 4 2008 39 NWE lb 55 4 2 22 15 7 1 2009 40 NWE 55 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 14 9 5 0 1 1 Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 278 248 16 206 1 36 0 27 1 14 29 1 69.5 1561 34 137 16 yrs CLE 232 216 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 124 1978 22 CLE lb 57 15 2 1 5 0 5 0 34 34 0 1 1979 23 CLE RLB/rolb 57 16 16 1 30 0 30 0 0 2 0 0 103 103 0 6 1980 24 CLE ROLB 57 14 13 1 6 0 6 0 0 1 0 0 83 83 0 6 1981 25 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 14 0 8 0 0 2 16 0 128 128 0 8 1982 26 CLE lb 57 2 1 11 11 0 1 1983 27 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 4 0 0 0 0 6.0 106 106 0 7 1984 28 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 3 0 1 0 0 12.0 126 126 0 13 1985* 29 CLE ROLB 57 14 14 1 0 1 15 0 6.0 88 88 0 10 1986 30 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 12 0 8 0 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 89 89 0 7 1987* 31 CLE ROLB 57 12 12 3 62 1 36 0 0 2 0 0 2.5 72 72 0 13 1988* 32 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 0 2 0 0 6.0 101 101 0 11 1989* 33 CLE LLB 57 16 16 1 25 0 25 0 3 1 2 -2 1 4.0 113 113 0 13 1990 34 CLE LLB 57 16 16 3 0 0 0 0 3.5 102 102 0 5 1991 35 CLE RLB 57 15 15 1 35 0 35 0 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 80 80 0 7 1992 36 CLE RLB 57 16 16 1 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 0 9.0 111 111 0 8 1993 37 CLE RLB 57 16 15 1 10 0 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.5 83 83 0 8 1994 38 ATL LLB 57 15 15 1.0 90 71 19 5 1995 39 ATL LLB 57 16 16 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 63 49 14 7 1996 40 ATL lb 57 15 1 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 12 11 1 1 Looks to me like Seau had 18 fumble recoveries, and the meme, made by a girl, is wrong.
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That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 268 243 18 238 0 42 23 11 1 18 66 1 56.5 1522 324 187 13 yrs SDG 200 199 15 210 0 42 13 11 1 16 66 1 47.0 1286 192 160 4 yrs NWE 38 16 3 28 0 23 5 0 0 1 0 0 4.5 121 58 12 1990 21 SDG RILB 55 16 15 1.0 85 85 0 7 1991* 22 SDG RILB 55 16 16 7.0 129 129 0 9 1992*+ 23 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 51 0 29 0 1 0 1 10 0 4.5 102 102 0 16 1993*+ 24 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 58 0 42 0 1 0 1 21 0 129 129 0 15 1994*+ 25 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 3 0 0 5.5 155 124 31 15 1995* 26 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 5 0 3 0 1 0 3 30 1 2.0 130 111 19 14 1996*+ 27 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 18 0 10 0 1 0 3 0 0 7.0 138 110 28 14 1997* 28 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 33 0 26 0 1 1 2 5 0 7.0 97 84 13 11 1998*+ 29 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 115 92 23 17 1999* 30 SDG LB 55 14 14 1 16 0 16 0 1 0 1 0 0 3.5 99 75 24 13 3 12 2000*+ 31 SDG lb 55 16 16 2 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 3.5 122 103 19 15 4 12 2001* 32 SDG LB 55 16 16 1 2 0 2 6 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 94 83 11 9 1 10 2002* 33 SDG LB/rolb 55 13 13 1 25 0 25 7 1 0 0 0 0 1.5 83 59 24 11 2 8 2003 34 MIA LB 55 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 3.0 96 66 30 12 2 8 2004 35 MIA LB 55 8 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 57 31 26 5 0 5 2005 36 MIA lb 55 7 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 36 18 18 1 0 2 2006 37 NWE LB/mlb 55 11 10 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 69 39 30 5 4 6 2007 38 NWE lb 55 16 4 3 28 0 23 4 3.5 74 58 16 9 6 4 2008 39 NWE lb 55 4 2 22 15 7 1 2009 40 NWE 55 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 14 9 5 0 1 1 Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 278 248 16 206 1 36 0 27 1 14 29 1 69.5 1561 34 137 16 yrs CLE 232 216 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 124 1978 22 CLE lb 57 15 2 1 5 0 5 0 34 34 0 1 1979 23 CLE RLB/rolb 57 16 16 1 30 0 30 0 0 2 0 0 103 103 0 6 1980 24 CLE ROLB 57 14 13 1 6 0 6 0 0 1 0 0 83 83 0 6 1981 25 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 14 0 8 0 0 2 16 0 128 128 0 8 1982 26 CLE lb 57 2 1 11 11 0 1 1983 27 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 4 0 0 0 0 6.0 106 106 0 7 1984 28 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 3 0 1 0 0 12.0 126 126 0 13 1985* 29 CLE ROLB 57 14 14 1 0 1 15 0 6.0 88 88 0 10 1986 30 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 12 0 8 0 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 89 89 0 7 1987* 31 CLE ROLB 57 12 12 3 62 1 36 0 0 2 0 0 2.5 72 72 0 13 1988* 32 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 0 2 0 0 6.0 101 101 0 11 1989* 33 CLE LLB 57 16 16 1 25 0 25 0 3 1 2 -2 1 4.0 113 113 0 13 1990 34 CLE LLB 57 16 16 3 0 0 0 0 3.5 102 102 0 5 1991 35 CLE RLB 57 15 15 1 35 0 35 0 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 80 80 0 7 1992 36 CLE RLB 57 16 16 1 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 0 9.0 111 111 0 8 1993 37 CLE RLB 57 16 15 1 10 0 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.5 83 83 0 8 1994 38 ATL LLB 57 15 15 1.0 90 71 19 5 1995 39 ATL LLB 57 16 16 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 63 49 14 7 1996 40 ATL lb 57 15 1 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 12 11 1 1 Looks to me like Seau had 18 fumble recoveries, and the meme, made by a girl, is wrong.
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Matthews played OLB, Seau played ILB, right?
For most of their careers yes......and numbers can be influenced by teams, schemes, who's next to you all of that. The specific numbers are just a guide.
Still i think the body of work on both are close enough to seriously consider Clay anytime now.
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Ken "the Rattler" Riley. Cornerback
Former FL A&M Quarterback
65 interceptions. 5th best ALL TIME .
5 Touchdowns.
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Frank Minnifield?
Hanford Dixon?
Bob Golic?
M D Perry?
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