The official Terry Pluto thread
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This is a good read, here's just part of it.....
SOMETHING IS WRONG
I don’t feel like talking Xs and Os.
There is something very wrong with this team, something deeper than strategy.
Coming into the game, Arizona had lost six in a row. The Cardinals were 3-9-1 overall and were 1-5 on their home field.
That’s the team who embarrassed the Browns.
I’m tired of the Browns being out-coached and out-hustled.
I’m sick of them losing to first-year QBs, be it Brandon Allen in Denver, Delvin “Duck” Hodges in Pittsburgh or now Kyler Murray in Arizona.
But it’s more than that.
There is something lacking in terms of character and concentration.
Not with every player.
Nick Chubb is giving younger Browns fans glimpses of what it was like to watch Jim Brown in the 1950s and 1960s.
Chubb rushed for 127 yards. He was brilliant as always.
But the Browns remain a collection of individuals unable to come together when facing adversity on the field.
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From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
Embarrassing? Disturbing? Ugly? Pick a word for inexcusable Cleveland Browns loss
Updated Dec 16, 6:06 AM;Posted Dec 15, 7:17 PMFrom Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
I think, no I'm sure Terry is as pissed as all of us how the BROWNS basically threw away a whole season which had great expectations.
(And Terry is a religious guy he would probably not have used pissed.
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GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
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Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
I think, no I'm sure Terry is as pissed as all of us how the BROWNS basically threw away a whole season which had great expectations.
(And Terry is a religious guy he would probably not have used pissed.
)
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
The only thing that didn't jive with their prognostication was that in 2018 they were 7-8-1 with a rookie quarterback. 9, 10, 11+ wins was a very logical and attainable goal.
They just blew it !
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
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From Terry Pluto, cleveland.com:. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/embarrassing-disturbing-ugly-pick-a-word-for-inexcusable-cleveland-browns-loss.html
The Browns were favored to win this game. A victory would have made them 7-7 and kept hopes of a winning season and a flicker of playoff possibilities alive for another week.
Instead, they are 6-8.
No winning season. No playoffs.
Et tu, Terry??? There is a "flicker"... or at least half a flicker.
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Why are writers... even our own... writing us off before it's a fact?
Guessing because our defense is a sieve. And our offense is a far cry from a 'scoring machine'. And then there's Freddie who'll play anybody except Higgns & Njoku. There's two guys right there that many of us expected to have big seasons with OBJ & Landry drawing the coverage away from them. Nope, they can't find the field. One of 'em a 1st round pick. - At the end of the season ownership will probably want to know why a promising 1st round pick TE wasn't utilized in a losing record season.
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A gleam rather than a flicker would be awesome right about now.
No matter how many times I see the Shottenheimer "There's a gleam men..." video, I still have no idea what he's talking about. ?
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No matter how many times I see the Shottenheimer "There's a gleam men..." video, I still have no idea what he's talking about. ?
Really? Here is the gleam he was talking about:
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A little bit dated but...
WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
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If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
He further portrays them as people who want to be successful at it, heart in the right place, put in the time and effort, yadda yadda, but alas, they are learning on the fly and follies have followed.
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And the foul smell like keep detecting is a forced marriage coming to theaters near you between the general manager and some coach he doesn't want.
And frankly, even admitting how little I know about football and what goes on in a professional locker room headquarters, I get the feeling Jimmy Haslam and his wife are morons. Just a hunch. So was Randy Lerner but he didn't give enough of a shit to meddle in football stuff.
WSS
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
He further portrays them as people who want to be successful at it, heart in the right place, put in the time and effort, yadda yadda, but alas, they are learning on the fly and follies have followed.
If you’re a Pluto reader he pretty much painted the Haslams as such, except more diplomatically. Basically a couple of 1percenters who moved up into that upper echelon of 1 percenters who get to own sports franchises and jumped at the chance, but were pretty green at the whole thing and didn’t know what the hell they were doing or how to go about it.
You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.
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WSS
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https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terry-pluto-its-too-early-to-give-up-on-baker
It's way too early to have second thoughts on Baker. As far as Freddy? As long as we're going to stay in one and done mode forever we will stay in the middle or bottom of the AFC North till the end of time. I don't care if Bill Parcells comes out of retirement. I don't care if Vince Lombardi comes back from the fucking dead. That we really do need an improvement in coaching is a fact. Whoever the coach is will need to be subservient did John Dorsey and I don't see Urban Meyer doing that. Urban Meyer also has history of poor health bad attitude and quarterbacks who fail in the NFL.
Maybe Mike McCarthy because he knows John Dorsey and would assumedly get along with him. What we don't need is a head coach vs general manager situation again.
WSS
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
If it is true that the Haslams want Freddie gone and Dorsey doesn't, Dorsey going to bat to keep Kitchens might buy Freddie another season, but if it goes bad again, Dorsey will be on the unemployment line with his head coach.
He's got to know this, and Dorsey better be right about Freddie if he goes against what the Haslams want.
A month ago, I thought maybe Freddie could come back, but now? There's absolutely NO WAY in my mind that you can bring him back. I honestly think the last 2:09 in the first half of the Raven's game sealed the deal. We had a chance to go into the half up 6-0. I understand being aggressive, so I'm not going to give Freddie crap about trying to score when it was 6-0, but what I can't forgive is the halfback pass on 3rd and 1. Not when you need to get the clock moving, you MUST get the first down, and you already know the Ravens get the ball in the 2nd half. Let's suppose Freddie dials up a run on 3rd and 1 and we still don't get it, and we punt. The Ravens go down and score and we're down 7-6. At that point you HAVE to lick your wounds and go into the half down 1 point against the hottest team in the league. That MUST happen.
It didn't.
Why else is Freddie almost certainly toast?
1. The regression of Baker Mayfield.
2. A total lack of explosive offensive ability.
3. Perpetual arguments and blow-ups with players.
4. Choppy offensive playcalling, not getting plays called on time, never having timeouts.
5. Not scoring points, even against the bad defenses yet having the best RB in the league.
6. Not having a good feel of when to run versus pass. No "feel" for the game.
7. Red Zone nightmares.
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