The official Terry Pluto thread
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Oh brother ! This just seems so deja vu here we go again. Do we just wait until it's all over and see what happens next?
As I’ve written before, I have “Firing Fatigue.” I bet that’s true of many Browns fans.
......No kidding.
If you were born from January 1969 on you've never seen the Pittsburgh Steelers fire a head coach. 51+ years.
Chris Palmer, Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine, Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens. All fired in the last 20 years.
I'm. Fucking. Exhausted.
Chris Palmer, Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine, Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens. All fired in the last 20 years.
Looking at the list for "Leaders" I see only one... Butch... with two possible, Honorable Mentions, Mangini and Pet, albeit in an entirely different, quieter "style" on their part. The rest were all the Hot Coordinator du jour except for Hue who was the HC weasel du siecle.
Butch seemed to have the presence, the personality, the command.... his self-inflicted misfortune was he also had the GM role.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Chris Palmer, Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine, Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens. All fired in the last 20 years.
Looking at the list for "Leaders" I see only one... Butch... with two possible, Honorable Mentions, Mangini and Pet, albeit in an entirely different, quieter "style" on their part. The rest were all the Hot Coordinator du jour except for Hue who was the HC weasel du siecle.
Butch seemed to have the presence, the personality, the command.... his self-inflicted misfortune was he also had the GM role.
Looking at the list for "Leaders" I see only one... Butch... with two possible, Honorable Mentions, Mangini and Pet, albeit in an entirely different, quieter "style" on their part. The rest were all the Hot Coordinator du jour except for Hue who was the HC weasel du siecle.
Butch seemed to have the presence, the personality, the command.... his self-inflicted misfortune was he also had the GM role.
Leaders, for another generalization who since the 1980s has got them near or into the playoffs? Not many since Billy B.
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Updated 6:09 AM;Today 5:00 AM. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/cleveland-browns-now-have-coaching-choices-but-dont-forget-the-gm.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Talking to myself about where the Browns stand with their coaching search:
QUESTION: All the other teams have their coaches, isn’t that a good thing for the Browns?
ANSWER: If they do it right, that’s true.
Q: Meaning what?.......
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Just a step back from all of this Browns and other stuff, from Terry Pluto. https://www.cleveland.com/pluto/2020/01/faith-you-what-me-worry-well-sometimes-i-do-now-what.html
CLEVELAND – On my facebook page, I asked readers a few questions about worry, including “What is the dumbest thing you’ve worried about?”........
Good read.
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From Terry ....... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/was-it-a-good-idea-for-cleveland-browns-to-pick-kevin-stefanski-over-josh-mcdaniels.html
1. Based on my emails, very few Browns fans are thrilled with the hiring of Kevin Stefanski as the team’s new head coach. That’s understandable. Who really knows if the 37-year former Minnesota offensive coordinator can do the job?.......
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From Terry ....... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/was-it-a-good-idea-for-cleveland-browns-to-pick-kevin-stefanski-over-josh-mcdaniels.html
1. Based on my emails, very few Browns fans are thrilled with the hiring of Kevin Stefanski as the team’s new head coach. That’s understandable. Who really knows if the 37-year former Minnesota offensive coordinator can do the job?.......
From Terry ....... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/was-it-a-good-idea-for-cleveland-browns-to-pick-kevin-stefanski-over-josh-mcdaniels.html
1. Based on my emails, very few Browns fans are thrilled with the hiring of Kevin Stefanski as the team’s new head coach. That’s understandable. Who really knows if the 37-year former Minnesota offensive coordinator can do the job?.......
also from Terry...
13. If I had to pick between Stefanski and McDaniels, I’d go with Stefanski.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From Terry ....... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/was-it-a-good-idea-for-cleveland-browns-to-pick-kevin-stefanski-over-josh-mcdaniels.html
1. Based on my emails, very few Browns fans are thrilled with the hiring of Kevin Stefanski as the team’s new head coach. That’s understandable. Who really knows if the 37-year former Minnesota offensive coordinator can do the job?.......
also from Terry...
13. If I had to pick between Stefanski and McDaniels, I’d go with Stefanski.
also from Terry...
13. If I had to pick between Stefanski and McDaniels, I’d go with Stefanski.
It don't fucking matter. It only matters if they win. The choice has been made....now we just have some more years (1 at least) to show whether it was good or bad.
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It don't fucking matter. It only matters if they win. The choice has been made....now we just have some more years (1 at least) to show whether it was good or bad.
I'm pumped Gipper. I don't have time to get into all of the details, but hopefully I will soon. I know everyone is excited! Lol
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
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Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true? I am just saying I am not at this point going to hide in my bomb shelter because at some point it is speculated that the earth may be hit by an asteroid.
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999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true? I am just saying I am not at this point going to hide in my bomb shelter because at some point it is speculated that the earth may be hit by an asteroid.
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true?
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
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Mayfield and discipline.
13. Reviving Mayfield can change so much for the franchise. Did Mayfield work as hard as needed last summer? He probably thinks so, but the data indicates otherwise. Stefanski needs to sit down and discuss with Mayfield what it takes to be a long-term, productive QB in the NFL. It’s not easy, especially when commercials and other things came so soon to Mayfield last summer.
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Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true?
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
Like Coach Sam used to say.. "Throw enough shit on the wall".."Some of it is bound to stick"
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
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Those are question marks. I count 6.
lol... Very good...
Now can you guess how many fingers I am holding up?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
Yes. From what they've been talking about this new alignment requires the coach to sit down with Jimmy and Dee Etc before putting together a game plan. Seems to me like they want a lot more Hands-On interaction with the day-to-day planning of the team. If you don't think Jimmy and Dee would ever override the coach's decision then feel free to tell me you think I'm wrong. On the other hand if you think there's a possibility (or even a probability) that they might pull something like telling Mike Pettine he had to start Johnny (which undermined the coach's Authority whether you believe it or not) then you might agree that I at least have a legitimate concern.
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
yes but that concern is not mutually exclusive of my own.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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