The official Terry Pluto thread
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Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz and Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield talk after a 2020 game. Should the fall of Wentz be a warning sign about Mayfield? John Kuntz, cleveland.com
Should the BROWNS fans worry ? Maybe not. (read the article)
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Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz and Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield talk after a 2020 game. Should the fall of Wentz be a warning sign about Mayfield? John Kuntz, cleveland.com
Should the BROWNS fans worry ? Maybe not. (read the article)
Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz and Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield talk after a 2020 game. Should the fall of Wentz be a warning sign about Mayfield? John Kuntz, cleveland.com
Should the BROWNS fans worry ? Maybe not. (read the article)
It is fucktard asshole reasoning to equate Baker with Wentz. Why should he be equated with Wentz any more than he should be equated with Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees, or John Elway or Jim Kelly, or John Unitas or Roger Staubach.
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Neither am I. I would have liked to have the guy I was assuming he had a winning attitude. I had guessed he would see the Browns as an up-and-coming team with a good shot at the Super Bowl. Apparently the money meant more than winning. Nothing wrong with that I guess. Lots of players feel that way on the back nine. But it's not somebody who is going to be an emotional team leader. Like Landry. If he still is...
Plus those grapes are probably sour anyway...
WSS
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I would hate it if they bailed on Mayfield.
Don't trust Clowney either.
WSS
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I would hate it if they bailed on Mayfield.
Don't trust Clowney either.
WSS
I mentioned that Paul Brown never won a title without Otto Graham.“He never even won a playoff game without Otto Graham,” said the executive. “Great coach, but he needed the quarterback.”
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Of course in most of Paul's day with a non-expansion team there was only one "playoff game"...
... so there's that.
Late in his career he had Dr. Frank (who won a championship under Collier) and then Ken Anderson in Cinci after the team got pretty good. Both QBs were better than good.
Bottom line: While a great innovator in his days in H.S., college, the AAFC and early NFL, the NFL caught up with pretty quickly. Not even good QBs could help him enough to make, let alone go deep into the playoffs.
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I'm still on the fence over clowney.
WSS
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Of course in most of Paul's day with a non-expansion team there was only one "playoff game"...
... so there's that.
Late in his career he had Dr. Frank (who won a championship under Collier) and then Ken Anderson in Cinci after the team got pretty good. Both QBs were better than good.
Bottom line: While a great innovator in his days in H.S., college, the AAFC and early NFL, the NFL caught up with pretty quickly. Not even good QBs could help him enough to make, let alone go deep into the playoffs.
Of course in most of Paul's day with a non-expansion team there was only one "playoff game"...
... so there's that.
Late in his career he had Dr. Frank (who won a championship under Collier) and then Ken Anderson in Cinci after the team got pretty good. Both QBs were better than good.
Bottom line: While a great innovator in his days in H.S., college, the AAFC and early NFL, the NFL caught up with pretty quickly. Not even good QBs could help him enough to make, let alone go deep into the playoffs.
Perhaps the key to the Browns was Jim Brown?
WSS
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I'm still on the fence over clowney.
WSS
I'm still on the fence over clowney.
WSS
Not me. And here is why because this is exactly how I see him.
"6. The Browns aren’t thinking about their line in the traditional four-man front with two defensive tackles and two defensive ends lining up in the same spots. They see Clowney as a versatile player who can line up at defensive end or inside. He is very strong against the run, perhaps his best attribute. That allows the Browns to move him into various spots along the line."
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12. The Browns don’t say this, but you can view the Clowney signing as a low-risk gamble with a possible high payoff. It’s doubtful they’d find someone in this draft capable of immediately producing to the level of a reasonably healthy Clowney. If he struggles and/or is injured, the defense doesn’t rise or fall with him.
---------- I 'upvote' this.
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Bottom line- "We just watched Part 2 over the last few months. This should be a much better defense now than a year ago." Much like the offense was better in 2020. And I think we added some very special ST players as well. That has been under publicized, but there are 3 major parts to a real competitive team, not just two.
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