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  • NeroN Nero

    @the-gipper said:

    Edit:  and think what the Browns had at DB back then: Dixon/Minnifield.    Peterson/Ward?  Could surpass that duo.

    Dixon/Minnifield are the couple of defenders that started all the dawg pound thing?

    @nero said:

    Dixon/Minnifield are the couple of defenders that started all the dawg pound thing?

    Is that a question?   The answer is yes, they are.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @nero said:

    Dixon/Minnifield are the couple of defenders that started all the dawg pound thing?

    Is that a question?   The answer is yes, they are.

    @the-gipper said:

    Is that a question?   The answer is yes, they are.

    Thank you. Bear in mind that I didn't know the Browns did even exist till around 10 years ago...

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  • NeroN Nero

    @the-gipper said:

    Is that a question?   The answer is yes, they are.

    Thank you. Bear in mind that I didn't know the Browns did even exist till around 10 years ago...

    @nero said:

    Thank you. Bear in mind that I didn't know the Browns did even exist till around 10 years ago...

    We are here to help in that regard.  

    Here is a wiki article on The Dawg Pound.:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawg_Pound

  • Here you can also look at data on the 13 Championships won by Cleveland/Northeast Ohio teams.  (13 is the most in history....tied with Green Bay)

     1964 Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), 

    1955NFLCleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)

    1954NFLCleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)

    1950NFLCleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)

    1949 Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)

    1948 Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)

    1947 Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)

    194Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)

    1945NFLCleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)1)2)

    1924NFLCleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)

    1923NFLCanton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)

    1922NFLCanton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)

    1920APFAAkron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)

  • T TexasAg1969

    @mark-o said:

    I agree.

    Apparently he wants to play for New Orleans according to the ESPN report just now.

    Let's face it. He wants to play for a team that has a shot at a SB win, not the woeful Browns with Huey Loser.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Let's face it. He wants to play for a team that has a shot at a SB win, not the woeful Browns with Huey Loser.

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @texasag1969 said:

    Let's face it. He wants to play for a team that has a shot at a SB win, not the woeful Browns with Huey Loser.

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    @hoorta said:

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    What would the Cards want for him?   As a defensive back.....he is probably as good at is position as Khalil Mack is at his....and they got TWO first round picks for him.

    I suspect the Cardinals could say:   that (the Mack deal)  set the market price.

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  • Pass Rushers are worth more than Defensive Backs Gip

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @hoorta said:

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    What would the Cards want for him?   As a defensive back.....he is probably as good at is position as Khalil Mack is at his....and they got TWO first round picks for him.

    I suspect the Cardinals could say:   that (the Mack deal)  set the market price.

    @the-gipper said:

    What would the Cards want for him?   As a defensive back.....he is probably as good at is position as Khalil Mack is at his....and they got TWO first round picks for him.

    I suspect the Cardinals could say:   that (the Mack deal)  set the market price.

    Two firsts is too much. Will the Cards want to go to full rebuild mode like the Raiders? Stay tuned.

  • NeroN Nero

    @the-gipper said:

    Is that a question?   The answer is yes, they are.

    Thank you. Bear in mind that I didn't know the Browns did even exist till around 10 years ago...

    @nero said:

    Thank you. Bear in mind that I didn't know the Browns did even exist till around 10 years ago...

    And how much better was your life back then? Haha

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • NeroN Nero

    @the-gipper said:

    Edit:  and think what the Browns had at DB back then: Dixon/Minnifield.    Peterson/Ward?  Could surpass that duo.

    Dixon/Minnifield are the couple of defenders that started all the dawg pound thing?

    @nero said:

    Dixon/Minnifield are the couple of defenders that started all the dawg pound thing?

    Sort of...

    Dixon was the Daddy dawg. Started barking to psych himself up and then took it into the games celebrating plays, etc.

    Hanford posed for a poster titled "Dogs of the Defense". IIRC he was in a white suit with 3 or 4 Afghans on leashes. Wish I could show it to you, but it never shows up in google searches.

    From there came the Dawg Pound in old Municipal Stadium's bleachers...

    NFL Films does a series of "Top Ten" this and thats. One episode was "Top Ten Cornerback Tandems". Dixon-Minniefield were #2 only behind Oakland's Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes.

    Here's the clip on our duo. At the 3:24 mark there's a stat comment that is one of the most remarkable things I've ever heard:

    "In 1987 only seven passes were thrown in the direction of Hanford Dixon."

    Enuff said...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @texasag1969 said:

    Let's face it. He wants to play for a team that has a shot at a SB win, not the woeful Browns with Huey Loser.

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    @hoorta said:

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    Nonetheless the risk is another Bowe or Britt just looking for a last good contract without producing.

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Pass Rushers are worth more than Defensive Backs Gip

    @mld-woody said:

    Pass Rushers are worth more than Defensive Backs Gip

    Maybe, Debatable.  I will still take 2 good DBs.

    But, you may be right.  We had the best DBs in the game back in the day....Dixon/Minniefield......and they could not stop The Drive.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @hoorta said:

    But he's under contract, as was pointed out. Would the Cards take a lesser deal, just to make him happy? Our first round pick will be way better than the Saints should Dorsey think it's worth giving up that much.

    Nonetheless the risk is another Bowe or Britt just looking for a last good contract without producing.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Nonetheless the risk is another Bowe or Britt just looking for a last good contract without producing.

    Peterson is light-years ahead of where those two were 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    Pass Rushers are worth more than Defensive Backs Gip

    Maybe, Debatable.  I will still take 2 good DBs.

    But, you may be right.  We had the best DBs in the game back in the day....Dixon/Minniefield......and they could not stop The Drive.

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe, Debatable.  I will still take 2 good DBs.

    But, you may be right.  We had the best DBs in the game back in the day....Dixon/Minniefield......and they could not stop The Drive.

    A lot of places will tell you it's QB, Pass Rusher, LT with WR and CB coming in after. It's a passing league. You need a guy that can pass,, a guy to sack the guy that passes, a guy to protect the guy that passes, a guy to catch the ball, and a guy to stop people from catching the ball. 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • CB > WR

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe, Debatable.  I will still take 2 good DBs.

    But, you may be right.  We had the best DBs in the game back in the day....Dixon/Minniefield......and they could not stop The Drive.

    A lot of places will tell you it's QB, Pass Rusher, LT with WR and CB coming in after. It's a passing league. You need a guy that can pass,, a guy to sack the guy that passes, a guy to protect the guy that passes, a guy to catch the ball, and a guy to stop people from catching the ball. 

    @mld-woody said:

    A lot of places will tell you it's QB, Pass Rusher, LT with WR and CB coming in after. It's a passing league. You need a guy that can pass,, a guy to sack the guy that passes, a guy to protect the guy that passes, a guy to catch the ball, and a guy to stop people from catching the ball. 

    And on top of that, you need more than one guy to stop people from catching the ball.

    Being a pass-happy league, you need about 5 of those guys to cover well. The corner #2(T.Mitch get healthy please?), safeties, and linebackers.

    Sh%#, Tampa had good ole’ Carl Nassib dropping back in coverage.

  • I would offer them a #2 in 2019 and a #2 in 2020 instead of a #1 in 2019

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe, Debatable.  I will still take 2 good DBs.

    But, you may be right.  We had the best DBs in the game back in the day....Dixon/Minniefield......and they could not stop The Drive.

    A lot of places will tell you it's QB, Pass Rusher, LT with WR and CB coming in after. It's a passing league. You need a guy that can pass,, a guy to sack the guy that passes, a guy to protect the guy that passes, a guy to catch the ball, and a guy to stop people from catching the ball. 

    @mld-woody said:

    A lot of places will tell you it's QB, Pass Rusher, LT with WR and CB coming in after. It's a passing league. You need a guy that can pass,, a guy to sack the guy that passes, a guy to protect the guy that passes, a guy to catch the ball, and a guy to stop people from catching the ball. 

    Well....which of those do we have?  A promising  rookie QB still learning.  A supposedly elite pass rusher (but...is he?)  LT...shaky.  WRs...one good possession guy...and the rest? Shaky.   CB. One promising rookie still learning.  

    A really great pair of CBs can make a pass rush seem a whole lot better.   Just like having a QB that makes snap decisions and quick throws makes an OL look better.

  • darren15D darren15

    I would offer them a #2 in 2019 and a #2 in 2020 instead of a #1 in 2019

    @darren15 said:

    I would offer them a #2 in 2019 and a #2 in 2020 instead of a #1 in 2019

    That's basically like a #3 and a #4 now.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • One would think that Pgh would try hard to trade for Peterson, as their CBs are so awful. Dumbass Bell keeps freeing up more money for them by not reporting, so maybe they could do it. They seem to draft WRs very well but haven’t drafted and developed a decent DB in years (example Artie Burnt). I really doubt they have the cojones to try to pull this off.

    It’s like buying gasoline and food after a hurricane, you overpay but demand is greater than supply. Some contender will give Arizona a fat draft pick for him because this could put them over the top. Nice to dream but not a realistic move for the Browns. Peterson is signed through 2020 and I don’t see the Browns contending in that window.

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